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smithandrew051 07-28-2019 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 14367383)
F this guy

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thanks <a href="https://twitter.com/cheetah?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@cheetah</a> for your candidness discussing your situation over the past few months. You handled the presser w/ grace &amp; class EXCEPT for when <a href="https://twitter.com/bepryor?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bepryor</a> asked you a question and you asked her name followed by a side eye on national tv. That&#39;s bullying &amp; reporter intimidation. <a href="https://t.co/5tVrjsy4cZ">pic.twitter.com/5tVrjsy4cZ</a></p>&mdash; Ryan H. Marshall (@RMarshallSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/RMarshallSports/status/1155526221654102016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This guy comes off as a little bitch

New World Order 07-28-2019 12:12 PM

ROFL

After she tries to destroy his life this guy cries "reporter intimidation"

Accountability must not be one of his priorities.

displacedinMN 07-28-2019 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 14367388)
ROFL

After she tries to destroy his life this guy cries "reporter intimidation"

Accountability must not be one of his priorities.

this is why people hate the 4th estate.

staylor26 07-28-2019 12:19 PM

JFC SJW’s love making up bullshit terms to make things sound worse than they are.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 07-28-2019 12:20 PM

Word is Watkins is having an incredible training camp

RealSNR 07-28-2019 12:23 PM

"Reporter intimidation"

How do you think cows feel when Brooke walks onto a farm, looks them in the eye, and starts licking her lips? That's food intimidation!

RunKC 07-28-2019 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14367381)
From the sounds/looks of things, Mahomes is playing in a surgical fashion out there right now.

If he develops into that cerebral type of QB who can also **** your ass in two outside of the pocket when things are covered up, he will be on the fast track to the GOAT conversation in the coming years.

The only thing (besides running) Alex was better at then Pat was the consistent accuracy in the intermediate level of the field. Looks like Pat has mastered that through experience and more training with his footwork.

When defenses start playing guys deeper to defend the bombs, Pat will go surgical in the intermediate levels and vice versa.

Dude is going to be lethal

smithandrew051 07-28-2019 12:26 PM

Can I claim intimidation when I’m on the highway and I catch Brooke’s side eye through one of the holes in those metal trailers? It’s creepy as hell when it happens.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 07-28-2019 12:27 PM

Pat left at least 10 TDs on the board last year due to poor deep ball accuracy. That’s scary

chinaski 07-28-2019 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14367401)
The only thing (besides running) Alex was better at then Pat was the consistent accuracy in the intermediate level of the field. Looks like Pat has mastered that through experience and more training with his footwork.

When defenses start playing guys deeper to defend the bombs, Pat will go surgical in the intermediate levels and vice versa.

Dude is going to be lethal

:clap: Hell Yes!

Hammock Parties 07-28-2019 12:32 PM

LET'S GOOOOOOO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/PatrickMahomes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PatrickMahomes</a> went no-look during 7-on-7... and Sammy Watkins didn&#39;t see it coming. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://t.co/5xrMqM3Z7R">pic.twitter.com/5xrMqM3Z7R</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Zenner (@NPNowZenner) <a href="https://twitter.com/NPNowZenner/status/1155488987848609798?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

O.city 07-28-2019 12:32 PM

Alex was a terrible intermediate passer

Were we watching the same team?

Titty Meat 07-28-2019 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14367393)
JFC SJW’s love making up bullshit terms to make things sound worse than they are.

Not to take this thread off the rails but they are always first to cry racism but in this case they used the same tactics they accuse others of.

Pryor has no business being at camp her credentials should be revoked. She is fake news.

Parkins is talking shit on Twitter for attention. It's an old Nick Wright trick.

smithandrew051 07-28-2019 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14367412)
LET'S GOOOOOOO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/PatrickMahomes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PatrickMahomes</a> went no-look during 7-on-7... and Sammy Watkins didn&#39;t see it coming. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://t.co/5xrMqM3Z7R">pic.twitter.com/5xrMqM3Z7R</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Zenner (@NPNowZenner) <a href="https://twitter.com/NPNowZenner/status/1155488987848609798?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Gotta catch that one. Our receivers will know in this offense that you are always an option. It doesn’t matter where Pat is looking or where you are. Just get open and catch it.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 07-28-2019 12:37 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">File this under awesome moments that you can’t script at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsCamp?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsCamp</a>. A group of kids was headed up the hill as part of the Helmet Walk when Patrick Mahomes stopped his cart to sign autographs for them. He didn’t have to do that, but he did. <a href="https://t.co/kdm6UrXRqc">pic.twitter.com/kdm6UrXRqc</a></p>&mdash; Matt McMullen (@KCChiefs_Matt) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCChiefs_Matt/status/1155509671421198336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-28-2019 12:43 PM

Can't believe Sorensen is gonna Zombo his way to a roster spot.

CasselGotPeedOn 07-28-2019 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14367413)
Alex was a terrible intermediate passer

Were we watching the same team?

Yeah seriously wtf.

smithandrew051 07-28-2019 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy tossed tigger's salad (Post 14367426)
Can't believe Sorensen is gonna Zombo his way to a roster spot.

I’m fine with him for depth/special teams. I lost all remaining respect for Zombo when Mariota blew him up with the game on the line.

RunKC 07-28-2019 12:50 PM

Cody Thompson is a sleeper.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/cthom1441?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@cthom1441</a> of <a href="https://twitter.com/ToledoFB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ToledoFB</a> with the 1-handed snag that <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ByNateTaylor</a> thoroughly enjoyed. <a href="https://t.co/zyNfIwNyIR">pic.twitter.com/zyNfIwNyIR</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Zenner (@NPNowZenner) <a href="https://twitter.com/NPNowZenner/status/1155479512957825024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 07-28-2019 12:51 PM

Sorensen was the only player who showed up when it mattered most

Hammock Parties 07-28-2019 12:54 PM

NICE

<blockquote class="reddit-card" data-card-created="1564340044"><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/KansasCityChiefs/comments/civn10/forgot_to_upload_it_yesterday_but_have_an/">Forgot to upload it yesterday, but have an absolutely beautiful catch by Watkins.</a> from <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/KansasCityChiefs">r/KansasCityChiefs</a></blockquote>
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Hammock Parties 07-28-2019 12:56 PM

lol we are going to be so lethal

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Timing, touch, anticipation from Mahomes on a deep in by Tyreek Hill. Great throw. <a href="https://t.co/EjeBFqinb6">pic.twitter.com/EjeBFqinb6</a></p>&mdash; Kent Swanson (@kent_swanson) <a href="https://twitter.com/kent_swanson/status/1155522526254178305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-28-2019 01:01 PM

No way this Defense will crack the top 25 in yards or scoring. Not with the pace of play, secondary, and Spags in charge. I suppose Ill settle for top-20 in yards allowed/play

staylor26 07-28-2019 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy tossed tigger's salad (Post 14367459)
No way this Defense will crack the top 25 in yards or scoring. Not with the pace of play, secondary, and Spags in charge.

Lol worthless prediction from a worthless poster.

O.city 07-28-2019 01:05 PM

The cb position could be pretty rough

Hammock Parties 07-28-2019 01:05 PM

good god

it's ****ing packed

https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/p...hfw9mjxse9.jpg

DJ's left nut 07-28-2019 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudy tossed tigger's salad (Post 14367426)
Can't believe Sorensen is gonna Zombo his way to a roster spot.

Sorensen is a little overpaid but he's a quality player.

Zombo, OTOH, shouldn't have been on a roster at the veterans minimum.

I'm good w/ Sorensen provided that he's not an every down player. As a part-time player who's situationally deployed, he can make shit happen.

smithandrew051 07-28-2019 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy tossed tigger's salad (Post 14367459)
No way this Defense will crack the top 25 in yards or scoring. Not with the pace of play, secondary, and Spags in charge. I suppose Ill settle for top-20 in yards allowed/play

I honestly don’t care about total yards or points rankings. Those are easily skewed.

The success of our defense will come down to tackling and penalties. If those get fixed, we win the Super Bowl. Missing tackles and giving away first downs with penalties killed us all of last year.

If those are fixed, I’ll be happy. The offense has zero impact on those facets.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-28-2019 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14367463)
Lol worthless prediction from a worthless poster.

How's your boy Armani Watts doing?

New World Order 07-28-2019 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy tossed tigger's salad (Post 14367459)
No way this Defense will crack the top 25 in yards or scoring. Not with the pace of play, secondary, and Spags in charge. I suppose Ill settle for top-20 in yards allowed/play

They were top 25 in defensive ppg last year.

staylor26 07-28-2019 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14367467)
The cb position could be pretty rough

Yet it’s still better than it was this time last year.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-28-2019 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 14367472)
They were top 25 in defensive ppg last year.

With a sack total that won't be sniffed this year

staylor26 07-28-2019 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy tossed tigger's salad (Post 14367471)
How's your boy Armani Watts doing?

Yea I should’ve known a guy that played 45 games in college would be hurt often to start his career.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-28-2019 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14367477)
Yea I should’ve known a guy that played 45 games in college would be hurt often to start his career.

Well, I tried to tell you.

staylor26 07-28-2019 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy tossed tigger's salad (Post 14367476)
With a sack total that won't be sniffed this year

Lol yea our defense is going to be even worse this year am i right?

****ing moron.

smithandrew051 07-28-2019 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14367473)
Yet it’s still better than it was this time last year.

No Amerson is an immediate upgrade from this time last year

staylor26 07-28-2019 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy tossed tigger's salad (Post 14367478)
Well, I tried to tell you.

You tried to tell me he was a brokedick in college. He played 45 games. You were wrong and still are.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-28-2019 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14367479)
Lol yea our defense is going to be even worse this year am i right?

****ing moron.

With Spags? Absolutely possible.

New World Order 07-28-2019 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy tossed tigger's salad (Post 14367476)
With a sack total that won't be sniffed this year

Clark is an upgrade from Ford and we still have Jones.

Combine that with more aggressive playcalling and a headhunter safety I'd say the sack totals won't be that far off.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-28-2019 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14367485)
You tried to tell me he was a brokedick in college. He played 45 games. You were wrong and still are.

I follow the aggies. Probably watched 40 of those games. Wasn't a week where something wasn't dinged up. New injury every week.

staylor26 07-28-2019 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy tossed tigger's salad (Post 14367487)
With Spags? Absolutely possible.

Yea because Spags is somehow worse than Sutton. So much worse than this defense could get worse despite having more talent just about everywhere.

Good grief you take stupid to another level.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-28-2019 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14367491)
Yea because Spags is somehow worse than Sutton. So much worse than this defense could get worse despite having more talent just about everywhere.

Good grief you take stupid to another level.

Ill stand by Sutton > Spags like I stood by Wilson > Conley

staylor26 07-28-2019 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy tossed tigger's salad (Post 14367489)
I follow the aggies. Probably watched 40 of those games. Wasn't a week where something wasn't dinged up. New injury every week.

Brokedicks miss a ton of games. You can’t be a brokedick if you play more than 90% of your games. Guys get banged up. It’s football.

staylor26 07-28-2019 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy tossed tigger's salad (Post 14367493)
Ill stand by Sutton > Spags like I stood by Wilson > Conley

Congrats on that awful take I guess?

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-28-2019 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14367494)
Brokedicks miss a ton of games. You can’t be a brokedick if you play more than 90% of your games. Guys get banged up. It’s football.

And yet I was able to predict it.

mnchiefsguy 07-28-2019 01:14 PM

The defense cannot be any worse than last year. Last year was a historically awful defense.

The level of improvement is the only matter up for debate.

staylor26 07-28-2019 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy tossed tigger's salad (Post 14367497)
And yet I was able to predict it.

Your prediction being right has nothing to do with being wrong that he was a brokedick in college. I’ll call it a lucky guess so far. For all we know he comes back soon and doesn’t miss a game this year.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-28-2019 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 14367498)
The defense cannot be any worse than last year. Last year was a historically awful defense.

The level of improvement is the only matter up for debate.

Can't be worse than 52 sacks and 27 turnovers?

smithandrew051 07-28-2019 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 14367498)
The defense cannot be any worse than last year. Last year was a historically awful defense.

The level of improvement is the only matter up for debate.

And don’t forget, we didn’t just change DCs. We turned brought in 5-7 new starters and tremendously upgraded the position coaches.

This isn’t all about Spags.

staylor26 07-28-2019 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy tossed tigger's salad (Post 14367503)
Can't be worse than 52 sacks and 27 turnovers?

There were teams with less in both categories that had better defense last year.

Stupid ****.

saphojunkie 07-28-2019 01:21 PM

Rudy is a moron. Move along.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-28-2019 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14367507)
There were teams with less in both categories that had better defense last year.

Stupid ****.

Which much better secondaries, Im sure.

But Mark Fields, Felton, Tremon Smith, and Brashaud Breeland!

2 years of outstanding work to improve. Thanks, Veach!

staylor26 07-28-2019 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy tossed tigger's salad (Post 14367512)
Which much better secondaries, Im sure.

Our secondary is better than last year.

Stupid ****.

staylor26 07-28-2019 01:24 PM

Names 3 guys that will likely not see the field, 3 of which could possibly not even make the team.

:facepalm:

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-28-2019 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14367513)
Our secondary is better than last year.

Stupid ****.

From worst to worst. But marginally better I guess

New World Order 07-28-2019 01:25 PM

Breeland>Nelson

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-28-2019 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14367516)
Names 3 guys that will likely not see the field, 3 of which could possibly not even make the team.

:facepalm:

Yeah, usually if you try to improve a position, you want to bring in guys who make the team

VEACH'D!

O.city 07-28-2019 01:26 PM

Just not much known quantities. Breeland could have injury issues or ward could fall back And regress

staylor26 07-28-2019 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy tossed tigger's salad (Post 14367517)
From worst to worst. But marginally better I guess

Yea..

Tyrann, Thornhill/Sorensen, Breeland, Fuller, Ward is marginally better than Parker, Murray, Nelson, Fuller, and Scandrick.

What a ****ing idiot you are.

RustShack 07-28-2019 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudy tossed tigger's salad (Post 14367493)
Ill stand by Sutton > Spags like I stood by Wilson > Conley

Wait, you thought Sutton was a good DC?

O.city 07-28-2019 01:27 PM

They def need to pour some long term resources into the cb spot

The last couple drafts it just hasn’t worked out when they’re picking but with as aggressive as they are there were def some options

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-28-2019 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14367523)
Just not much known quantities. Breeland could have injury issues or ward could fall back And regress

and Thornhill could suck ass

smithandrew051 07-28-2019 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14367525)
Yea..

Tyrann, Thornhill/Sorensen, Breeland, Fuller, Ward is marginally better than Parker, Murray, Nelson, Fuller, and Scandrick.

What a ****ing idiot you are.

The upgrade at safety alone...holy shit.

O.city 07-28-2019 01:28 PM

Hopefully the safety upgrades will make a big difference

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-28-2019 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 14367526)
Wait, you thought Sutton was a good DC?

Nope. Not lately.

smithandrew051 07-28-2019 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudy tossed tigger's salad (Post 14367530)
and Thornhill could suck ass

He can’t be worse than Parker or Murray.

New World Order 07-28-2019 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14367529)
They def need to pour some long term resources into the cb spot

The last couple drafts it just hasn’t worked out when they’re picking but with as aggressive as they are there were def some options

Really prefer us to trade a late round pick for an insurance corner

RustShack 07-28-2019 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudy tossed tigger's salad (Post 14367512)
Which much better secondaries, Im sure.

But Mark Fields, Felton, Tremon Smith, and Brashaud Breeland!

2 years of outstanding work to improve. Thanks, Veach!

Honey Badger, Ward, Breeland, Fuller, and Thornhill is a huge upgrade over last years secondary.

O.city 07-28-2019 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 14367537)
Really prefer us to trade a late round pick for an insurance corner

Someone will likely get cut that could add some depth

If they could trade for a high end guy I’d be ok with it but they can’t really do that I don’t think

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-28-2019 01:31 PM

First 8 weeks around here will be pretty funny. Lots of excuses about scheme adjustment. It'll be like a whole CP of Alex Smith Only fans.

DJ's left nut 07-28-2019 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14367540)
Someone will likely get cut that could add some depth

If they could trade for a high end guy I’d be ok with it but they can’t really do that I don’t think

If Sam Beal can figure out a way to stay healthy for a few weeks, that's the kind of deal I'd consider w/ DRob and the Giants.

I'm not interested in trading him for a draft pick; gimme 16 games as a sandlot complement for Mahomes instead of a 4th round pick.

But if you can deal him for a young CB with upside who might be able to contribute this season, I'd make that move.

RustShack 07-28-2019 01:34 PM

You’re forgetting that we also brought in guys last year who were playing out of position. This year they are back in a 4-3 defense, with simpler assignments where they just have to react instead of pause and think like Hitchens was doing.

Easy 6 07-28-2019 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14367360)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Almost 20 minutes after everyone else had left practice, <a href="https://twitter.com/Demarcus?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Demarcus</a> was still out signing and taking pictures with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a>. <a href="https://t.co/6I4oogI6Yx">pic.twitter.com/6I4oogI6Yx</a></p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1155521389262233601?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Theres my adopt-a-Chief being a good dude

O.city 07-28-2019 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14367546)
If Sam Beal can figure out a way to stay healthy for a few weeks, that's the kind of deal I'd consider w/ DRob and the Giants.

I'm not interested in trading him for a draft pick; gimme 16 games as a sandlot complement for Mahomes instead of a 4th round pick.

But if you can deal him for a young CB with upside who might be able to contribute this season, I'd make that move.

Yeah I’m not about trading away potential weapons for just picks unless it’s a 3 or better


I don’t particularly think Robinson is good but he’s talented and can make some back yard plays that will help

Bob Dole 07-28-2019 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14367463)
Lol worthless prediction from a worthless poster.

Thanks to everyone quote-replying his stupid takes, I get to read them even though his stupid takes are on ignore.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-28-2019 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole (Post 14367555)
Thanks to everyone quote-replying his stupid takes, I get to read them even though his stupid takes are on ignore.

Awww, poor shitstain Bob can't ban me from this thread. Maybe you should try to PM Bwana or Bowser. Those losers would be happy to give me a ban.

DJ's left nut 07-28-2019 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudy tossed tigger's salad (Post 14367542)
First 8 weeks around here will be pretty funny. Lots of excuses about scheme adjustment. It'll be like a whole CP of Alex Smith Only fans.

Best thing we have going for us is how low the bar is.

I'm not sold on Spags; I think he's decidedly mediocre as a DC. That said, decidedly mediocre is good enough, at least good enough to provide a significant upgrade over last year.

Whether or not Sutton is reeruned in a vacuum is a question for another day - the bottom line is that the players here clearly weren't responding to him. Maybe he'll have success somewhere, but he wasn't having it here and THAT'S the bar Spags has to clear. It ain't much.

Compare the likely defensive starters on this squad to other Ds in the league and it's probably roughly average. Some warts, to be sure, but some undeniable strengths. Clark, Mathieu and Jones are very good players. Okafor and Ogbha/Speaks/Kpass can provide average play as well. Fuller is average at worst and Nnadi is a developing player who has undeniable strengths in a 2-down role. Ward's floor is slightly below average as he played at least at an average level last year and has the tools to succeed.

Hitchens was solid in the Will role in Dallas, Lee was flat-out excellent in coverage. Breeland was very good when healthy the last several years though health concerns remain.

This isn't a defense bereft of ability. It isn't terribly deep and it has some flaws, but welcome to life in a cap league - few teams have an ironclad roster on the D side of the ball these days and when you look at what the Colts did with solid coaching and a decent but unspectacular roster, you have to be intrigued by the possibilities.

If you're looking for a team that routinely keeps teams under 17, look elsewhere because that probably ain't us. But man, if you don't think we can keep teams in the 27-31 range (again, damn low bar), then I don't think you're viewing this objectively.

And with a team that scores 27 on a bad day, that's gonna be pretty damn significant. We don't need this team to have an elite offense, we simply need it to rarely have a shitty one. I think they can manage that.

O.city 07-28-2019 01:48 PM

Looking around the league I think they could be right in the middle defensively if some of the rookies or second year dudes take to the scheme and develop

If Clark is what they think he is well, that would be nice too

But no, they probably won’t be the bears on defense but I’m not sure many teams can be

RealSNR 07-28-2019 01:49 PM

Rudy, do you think our run defense will improve this year?

If you believe it will improve (even if marginally), and if Clark basically = Ford, is the downgrade from Houston to Okafor as far as sacks and pressures are concerned really going to tank our defense that much further?

Like, when people were calling for Sutton's head, so many said, "Scheme and the guy running the scheme isn't as critical defensive success as some people are making it out to be."

If Spags actually is worse than Sutton as you claim, doesn't that kind of contradict the notion of defensive coordinator changes largely by itself not being remotely close to the key to saving the defense?

Easy 6 07-28-2019 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 14367537)
Really prefer us to trade a late round pick for an insurance corner

Have the rumors about a trade with the Vikings fizzled out?

I'm still holding out hope for Rhodes...


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