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eDave 06-15-2016 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12276580)
I bet they just didn't want to have to figure out where to put another one. :)

@spacex_problems

DaFace 06-15-2016 09:08 AM

Beautiful shot of the ABS deployment.

http://i.imgur.com/oUdQaLM.png

eDave 06-15-2016 09:09 AM

They are really nailing the videos. That Stage 1 separation was glorious.

DaFace 06-15-2016 09:09 AM

Official word:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ascent phase &amp; satellites look good, but booster rocket had a RUD on droneship</p>&mdash; Elon Musk (@elonmusk) <a href="https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/743096769001578498">June 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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DaFace 06-15-2016 09:10 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looks like thrust was low on 1 of 3 landing engines. High g landings v sensitive to all engines operating at max.</p>&mdash; Elon Musk (@elonmusk) <a href="https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/743097337782763521">June 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Donger 06-15-2016 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12276601)
Official word:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ascent phase &amp; satellites look good, but booster rocket had a RUD on droneship</p>&mdash; Elon Musk (@elonmusk) <a href="https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/743096769001578498">June 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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LMAO

I've always loved engineer-speak.

DaFace 06-15-2016 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 12276605)
LMAO

I've always loved engineer-speak.

It's actually a joke of sorts. Elon is well-known for hating acronyms, so it's ironic that he uses that one (Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly) rather than just saying "it blew up."

--

OP is updated for the next launch in 30 days. I BELIEVE this one will be a landing at LZ-1 (on land), so hopefully that means it'll be a high probability of success!

DaFace 06-15-2016 09:16 AM

And with that, time to actually get some work done today. :)

Hydrae 06-15-2016 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12276601)
Official word:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ascent phase &amp; satellites look good, but booster rocket had a RUD on droneship</p>&mdash; Elon Musk (@elonmusk) <a href="https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/743096769001578498">June 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I had to look to see what RUD meant. Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly. ROFL

aturnis 06-16-2016 07:20 PM

Really cool video of the landing elon posted on Twitter.

Check out @elonmusk's Tweet: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/...226653184?s=09


The other ones didn't hover like that as far as I can remember. It's almost like they were seeing how long they could do it for, kinda showing off or something.

DaFace 06-16-2016 08:21 PM

Yeah, I definitely don't recall seeing it come to almost a complete stop like that. I wonder if they were trying to slow it down a little more after the last one almost broke a leg and overdid it. I still hope we'll get on-board video at some point to see what exactly happened and why it looked like it had landed safely for a few seconds.

Here's the full string of tweets about it from today:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Turns out the landing was not as fast we thought, but still hard enough to destroy the primary airframe and accordion the engines</p>&mdash; Elon Musk (@elonmusk) <a href="https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/743602229307805696">June 17, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looks like early liquid oxygen depletion caused engine shutdown just above the deck <a href="https://t.co/Sa6uCkpknY">pic.twitter.com/Sa6uCkpknY</a></p>&mdash; Elon Musk (@elonmusk) <a href="https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/743602894226653184">June 17, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As mentioned at the beginning of the year, I&#39;m expecting ~70% success rate on landings for the year. 2016 is the year of experimentation.</p>&mdash; Elon Musk (@elonmusk) <a href="https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/743603466631733248">June 17, 2016</a></blockquote>
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DaFace 06-16-2016 08:24 PM

Here's a stabilized version of the video. It's pretty clear that it ran out of fuel and just dropped the last few meters onto the deck.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/p5_hvVbxAAo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

vailpass 06-16-2016 08:25 PM

The joint Mars venture they're doing with NASA is an exciting next step in space exploration. Very cool to see and hopefully SGSS sees some benefits.

Buehler445 06-16-2016 09:57 PM

I wish I could have a year of experimentation with multi million dollar spaceships.

Musk is such a badass.

DaFace 06-16-2016 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 12279086)
I wish I could have a year of experimentation with multi million dollar spaceships.

Musk is such a badass.

The beauty of it is that it's not really even costing them anything (at least in terms of how you'd normally think of it). They're still getting paid the same price for these launches as they were when they were just letting the booster burn up in the atmosphere.

There are still plenty of costs involved (R&D, costs of the ships, crew, added costs for the landing-specific stuff like legs and grid fins, a little extra fuel), but those are insignificant compared to the cost of the rocket itself.

eDave 06-18-2016 05:46 PM

http://i.imgur.com/vTq9JLu.jpg

DaFace 07-15-2016 11:42 AM

If you're feeling like a night owl, the next launch attempt is slated for Sunday night/Monday morning at 11:45pm Central. This one is an ISS-bound launch, so the launch window is instantaneous (meaning that scrubs are a little more likely than the past few).

For the first time since the first successful landing back in December, they're trying to land this one back at "Landing Zone 1" in Cape Canaveral rather than on the barge, so it should be quite a show for anyone fortunate enough to be down there to watch.

If it's not up already, I'll be sure to bump the thread on Sunday, but I figured some might want a heads-up if you care enough to plan to be up a little late that night.

eDave 07-15-2016 11:44 AM

In!

DaFace 07-15-2016 11:50 AM

I started putting together a glossary for the OP to help new people figure out WTF we're talking about in here. Let me know what other stuff I should add (preferably in the same format as in the OP so I can just copy and paste stuff in there).

I also cleaned up the OP a bit for the same reason - just to be clear what info is there. Let me know if there are suggestions for improvements.

stumppy 07-15-2016 01:13 PM

That looks a lot better than it did.
I'll probably stay up and watch the launch and hopefully the recovery.

unlurking 07-15-2016 09:30 PM

Some cool pics...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/spacex/
https://www.instagram.com/spacex/?hl=en

Twitter feed is usually interesing...

https://twitter.com/SpaceX
https://twitter.com/elonmusk

The SpaceX sub is a great source of info, I'm usually over there during launches...

https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex
https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/wiki/index

DaFace 07-15-2016 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 12317967)
Some cool pics...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/spacex/
https://www.instagram.com/spacex/?hl=en

Twitter feed is usually interesing...

https://twitter.com/SpaceX
https://twitter.com/elonmusk

The SpaceX sub is a great source of info, I'm usually over there during launches...

https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex
https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/wiki/index

Cool. Added that (with a couple tweaks) as a section in the OP.

DaFace 07-17-2016 04:09 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All systems go &amp; weather 90% favorable for launch of Dragon to <a href="https://twitter.com/Space_Station">@Space_Station</a>. Liftoff slated for Monday, 12:45am ET <a href="https://t.co/aPQq6qKfhO">pic.twitter.com/aPQq6qKfhO</a></p>&mdash; SpaceX (@SpaceX) <a href="https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/754474468123156480">July 17, 2016</a></blockquote>
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GloryDayz 07-17-2016 04:37 PM

I wonder what the chances are that we'll pickup the docking on this HD ISS Ustream feed?

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/iss-hdev-payload

DaFace 07-17-2016 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 12320113)
I wonder what the chances are that we'll pickup the docking on this HD ISS Ustream feed?

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/iss-hdev-payload

Even if you can't see it well on that stream, NASA always covers berthing and unberthing events on NASA TV. That said, it's not as interesting to watch as you might guess - takes a LONG time and nothing moves very fast.

GloryDayz 07-17-2016 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12320195)
Even if you can't see it well on that stream, NASA always covers berthing and unberthing events on NASA TV. That said, it's not as interesting to watch as you might guess - takes a LONG time and nothing moves very fast.

I'd still watch, at least once.

Rain Man 07-17-2016 08:16 PM

I really want a space elevator. We should be doing that instead of rockets.

eDave 07-17-2016 08:43 PM

Reddit launch thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comm...ch_discussion/

DaFace 07-17-2016 09:16 PM

There can't be many situations in the world where a slab of concrete is noteworthy, so we might as well experience it.

http://i.imgur.com/60sJbQK.jpg

DaFace 07-17-2016 09:35 PM

NASA TV coverage is live if you care enough to watch "pre-game". Nothing but silent views of the rocket at the moment, though.

DaFace 07-17-2016 09:53 PM

This is the first time I've ever paid any attention to the NASA broadcasts before maybe T-10 minutes. It's even worse than I expected.

DaFace 07-17-2016 10:29 PM

SpaceX webcast is live.

GloryDayz 07-17-2016 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12320637)
This is the first time I've ever paid any attention to the NASA broadcasts before maybe T-10 minutes. It's even worse than I expected.

This, I keep going back to "Pacific Rim" that I taped.

eDave 07-17-2016 10:31 PM

Hosted stream is live.

BigRedChief 07-17-2016 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eDave (Post 12320663)
Hosted stream is live.

About 10 minutes away
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">About 15 minutes from launch. Watch here → <a href="https://t.co/tdni53IviI">https://t.co/tdni53IviI</a> <a href="https://t.co/tTg3MekyXq">pic.twitter.com/tTg3MekyXq</a></p>&mdash; SpaceX (@SpaceX) <a href="https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/754895886828773377">July 18, 2016</a></blockquote>
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eDave 07-17-2016 10:36 PM

[QUOTE=BigRedChief;12320667]About 10 minutes away


Will you be able to see it from your hood?

BigRedChief 07-17-2016 10:41 PM

[QUOTE=eDave;12320671]
Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 12320667)
About 10 minutes away


Will you be able to see it from your hood?

Nah, about the same part of the state horizontally but still on the opposite side of the state.

eDave 07-17-2016 10:41 PM

Crap. I just got banned from /r/spacex. Damnit!

DaFace 07-17-2016 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eDave (Post 12320677)
Crap. I just got banned from /r/spacex. Damnit!

Ha - what did you do?

eDave 07-17-2016 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12320678)
Ha - what did you do?

I said the hosted stream lady was a hottie. I broke Rule 2: Please be respectful and civil.

DaFace 07-17-2016 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eDave (Post 12320679)
I said the hosted stream lady was a hottie. I broke Rule 2: Please be respectful and civil.

They're bizarrely strict over there. Hope it gets lifted at some point.

DaFace 07-17-2016 10:49 PM

So far so good. It's crazy how fast MECO happens on ISS missions.

stumppy 07-17-2016 10:54 PM

Hell Yea !

DaFace 07-17-2016 10:54 PM

Making it look easy.

DaFace 07-17-2016 10:56 PM

Shot of Dragon from the 2nd stage. Neat.

DaFace 07-17-2016 10:56 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">First stage landing confirmed at LZ-1. Second stage and Dragon continuing to orbit <a href="https://t.co/tdni53IviI">https://t.co/tdni53IviI</a> <a href="https://t.co/6u7BCidoth">pic.twitter.com/6u7BCidoth</a></p>&mdash; SpaceX (@SpaceX) <a href="https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/754902271515701248">July 18, 2016</a></blockquote>
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stumppy 07-17-2016 11:01 PM

:toast:

Here's one to SpaceX.

DaFace 07-17-2016 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stumppy (Post 12320696)
:toast:

Here's one to SpaceX.

:toast:

eDave 07-17-2016 11:06 PM

That pic is spectacular. Love the moon photobomb

DaFace 07-17-2016 11:11 PM

Try this one:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dragon on its way to <a href="https://twitter.com/Space_Station">@Space_Station</a>, Falcon on its way home <a href="https://t.co/EpfUKBmoWi">pic.twitter.com/EpfUKBmoWi</a></p>&mdash; SpaceX (@SpaceX) <a href="https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/754906212429238272">July 18, 2016</a></blockquote>
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DaFace 07-17-2016 11:23 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Falcon on LZ-1 at Cape Canaveral <a href="https://t.co/dBkjBCDIRs">pic.twitter.com/dBkjBCDIRs</a></p>&mdash; Elon Musk (@elonmusk) <a href="https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/754908615757234176">July 18, 2016</a></blockquote>
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GloryDayz 07-17-2016 11:24 PM

T'was awesome...

DaFace 07-17-2016 11:27 PM

http://i.imgur.com/ekuwUKx.jpg

BigRedChief 07-17-2016 11:29 PM

Way cool. It's fantastic to see science and business combine for the betterment of us all. :clap:

GloryDayz 07-17-2016 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12320713)

We should pool our money and send Dave Lane out there to get some CP pics some time. Put some Chiefs stuff in the view finder...

eDave 07-18-2016 01:31 AM

Land the Lander:

https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/768...ef=producthunt

DaFace 07-18-2016 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12320713)

I just realized the coolest part of that photo. If you zoom in at full resolution....

http://i.imgur.com/v9gEUbZ.jpg

You can actually see the first stage starting its "flip" while the second stage continues onward. Pretty cool.

GloryDayz 07-18-2016 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12320974)
I just realized the coolest part of that photo. If you zoom in at full resolution....

http://i.imgur.com/v9gEUbZ.jpg

You can actually see the first stage starting its "flip" while the second stage continues onward. Pretty cool.

I get forward momentum, maintaining energy in a turn, centrifugal force, centripetal force, and all jazz, but after they use the cold-gas release to flip it, I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around how does a rocket get going back the other way to make it back over land (in the near weightlessness it's in)? At least not without another burn, or unless the flip is more of a slow turn to allow momentum to ultimately send you back the other way?

DaFace 07-18-2016 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 12321024)
I get forward momentum, maintaining energy in a turn, centrifugal force, centripetal force, and all jazz, but after they use the cold-gas release to flip it, I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around how does a rocket get going back the other way to make it back over land (in the near weightlessness it's in)? At least not without another burn, or unless the flip is more of a slow turn to allow momentum to ultimately send you back the other way?

While I don't claim to fully understand it myself, I think the key is that there's a lot more force being applied during that boost back burn than you'd think based on the brightness of it. It's burning a TON of fuel during that little arc to turn itself around and start heading back to land. The thrusters flip it around, the main engines are used to make it actually change direction.

I think this diagram is at least reasonably accurate (though it's boosting back further to make it to land).

http://i.stack.imgur.com/3zJ0c.png

Also, another thing to keep in mind is that the first stage weighs MUCH less at that point than the original rocket did (given that there's no second stage at all, and a majority of the propellant has already been used up), so it's quite a bit easier to slow down than you might think.

GloryDayz 07-18-2016 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12321044)
While I don't claim to fully understand it myself, I think the key is that there's a lot more force being applied during that boost back burn than you'd think based on the brightness of it. It's burning a TON of fuel during that little arc to turn itself around and start heading back to land. The thrusters flip it around, the main engines are used to make it actually change direction.

I think this diagram is at least reasonably accurate (though it's boosting back further to make it to land).

http://i.stack.imgur.com/3zJ0c.png

Also, another thing to keep in mind is that the first stage weighs MUCH less at that point than the original rocket did (given that there's no second stage at all, and a majority of the propellant has already been used up), so it's quite a bit easier to slow down than you might think.

That makes sense actually. We know they do barge landings because they "don't have the fuel", but that not having fuel might be a combination of pushing a heavier load up, thus not having that amount of fuel to use on the boost back. And I found similar drawings for those barge-based landings, I just didn't find one that was noted-up like that for land-based landings.

Perhaps a trip to SpaceX (to ask questions) would be a wise vacation for me... :D

Sent from my phone using Tapatalk (so spelling be damned!!!)

DaFace 07-18-2016 10:26 AM

Official pics are up:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/spacex

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Also, the next launch will be JCSAT-16, but there's not an exact date for it yet - just "sometime in August." I'll take the countdown clock out of the OP until we have a firm date.

eDave 07-22-2016 01:49 AM

<iframe width="600" height="368" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/4Ca6x4QbpoM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

GloryDayz 07-22-2016 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eDave (Post 12327844)
<iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/4Ca6x4QbpoM" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="368" width="600"></iframe>

Well that video clears-up how the stages boost back to land. Woot. Thanks..

DaFace 07-22-2016 10:49 AM

It's gonna be a hell of a sight to see, for sure. I'd almost make a vacation down to Florida to watch if it wasn't for the high likelihood of delays.

GloryDayz 07-22-2016 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12328193)
It's gonna be a hell of a sight to see, for sure. I'd almost make a vacation down to Florida to watch if it wasn't for the high likelihood of delays.

VPN? Telework?

aturnis 07-22-2016 04:16 PM

Another good one I stumbled across.

https://youtu.be/txLmVpdWtNc

DaFace 07-22-2016 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 12328438)
VPN? Telework?

Oh, I could easily work remotely for work. It's more that that launch will probably be a moving target, and I don't think I could take Florida for more than a week or so.

GloryDayz 07-22-2016 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12328854)
Oh, I could easily work remotely for work. It's more that that launch will probably be a moving target, and I don't think I could take Florida for more than a week or so.

Truth, but KC has been like Fla for a week now..

eDave 07-28-2016 12:36 PM

Atlas V went up today. Who knew?

http://i.imgur.com/HHtRsSs.jpg

Sorry for the derail. Launches are becoming more routine.

DaFace 07-28-2016 09:06 PM

Full-length test fire of the one from May (not the one they're planning to re-fly). Kind of cool.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/SZQY902xQcw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

DaFace 07-28-2016 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eDave (Post 12339495)
Atlas V went up today. Who knew?

http://i.imgur.com/HHtRsSs.jpg

Sorry for the derail. Launches are becoming more routine.

Na, as came up earlier in the thread, any cool stuff about space is welcome. It's just that it's hard to get excited about a lot of the other companies as much since it's kind of same ol' same 'ol every time.

BigRedChief 07-29-2016 09:36 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watch SpaceX test a million pounds of reusable rocket thrust <a href="https://t.co/eYc49Haio6">https://t.co/eYc49Haio6</a> <a href="https://t.co/L7hCAOBNkT">pic.twitter.com/L7hCAOBNkT</a></p>&mdash; Popular Science (@PopSci) <a href="https://twitter.com/PopSci/status/759048436167487488">July 29, 2016</a></blockquote>
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eDave 07-29-2016 09:56 AM

That thrust must have rotated earth a bit. It's 2 minutes later now.

DaFace 07-31-2016 10:32 PM

Next launch has a date - late night August 13th (early morning August 14th). OP is updated with the new info.

I believe the last one of these kinds of satellites (JCSAT) was the first one they were able to land on the barge after launching to GTO. So it'll be another one "coming in hot". Hopefully they will have learned something from the last one that ran out of fuel a bit early.

unlurking 08-01-2016 09:32 AM

Meant share this prior. Great app for tracking launches.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...spacelaunchnow

GloryDayz 08-01-2016 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 12345536)
Meant share this prior. Great app for tracking launches.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...spacelaunchnow

Thanks. Downloaded. Rep applied.

eDave 08-08-2016 10:59 AM

NASA’s new High Dynamic Camera Records SLS Rocket Test



https://fat.gfycat.com/FlimsyWellwor...icwildass.webm

DaFace 08-08-2016 11:16 AM

Whoa. Trippy.

unlurking 08-08-2016 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eDave (Post 12357294)
NASA’s new High Dynamic Camera Records SLS Rocket Test



https://fat.gfycat.com/FlimsyWellwor...icwildass.webm

That looks strangely fake. Like CGI special effects or something. Here's a short article about the HDR and a still image from a normal camera to compare to. Very cool.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete....html?ITO=1490

GloryDayz 08-08-2016 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eDave (Post 12357294)
NASA’s new High Dynamic Camera Records SLS Rocket Test



https://fat.gfycat.com/FlimsyWellwor...icwildass.webm

Mohr,,,


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