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Skyy God
12-01-2023 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DaFace
(Post 17253122)
I bet you're the type who would have bitched about the government paying to build the interstate system.
Probs voted Eisenhower and then called him a socialist for building roads.
BWillie
12-01-2023 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinchshot
(Post 17253188)
Charging a Tesla for one day takes same amount of energy as 13 homes.
EV is a scam.
This is nowhere near correct in my instance. If I fully charge my Tesla at my house I dont really even notice a big increase to my electric bill. I probably charge my Tesla about 1,200 miles a month at my house and it seems like it is only maybe 5% or 10% max of my homes electric bill.
DaFace
12-01-2023 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie
(Post 17253261)
This is nowhere near correct in my instance. If I fully charge my Tesla at my house I dont really even notice a big increase to my electric bill. I probably charge my Tesla about 1,200 miles a month at my house and it seems like it is only maybe 5% or 10% max of my homes electric bill.
I run a home energy monitor, and in the past 12 months our cars have used 2,661 KWh compared to our other usage of 5,023 KWh. So in our case, EV usage is about 50% of our house's usage.
I'd be really curious to know where in the world a 13x number came from. Obviously not reality, but it's a bit random.
Perineum Ripper
12-01-2023 03:10 PM
Yeah my wife’s car didn’t add anywhere close to that much energy, we land between you and BWillie
BWillie
12-01-2023 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DaFace
(Post 17253285)
I run a home energy monitor, and in the past 12 months our cars have used 2,661 KWh compared to our other usage of 5,023 KWh. So in our case, EV usage is about 50% of our house's usage.
I'd be really curious to know where in the world a 13x number came from. Obviously not reality, but it's a bit random.
Maybe Im overestimating the amount I charge at home since I do use Superchargers alot at Hyvee 13x sounds way high.
Chief Roundup
12-01-2023 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd
(Post 17253106)
Yep, for sure. And how are they going to tax these EVs since they don't pay the fuel tax?
They get that fuel tax through a road use fee when you get your tags renewed. If you have a hybrid it is $250 a year, in Arkansas. If you have an EV then the road use fee is $500.
Otter
12-01-2023 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Perineum Ripper
(Post 17253288)
Yeah my wife’s car didn’t add anywhere close to that much energy, we land between you and BWillie
Get a room.
HemiEd
12-02-2023 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DaFace
(Post 17253120)
Many states charge extra on your property taxes. I pay an extra $50/year.
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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup
(Post 17253468)
They get that fuel tax through a road use fee when you get your tags renewed. If you have a hybrid it is $250 a year, in Arkansas. If you have an EV then the road use fee is $500.
That is interesting, we haven't paid any extra on our little Prius C here in Missouri.
DaFace
12-02-2023 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd
(Post 17253795)
That is interesting, we haven't paid any extra on our little Prius C here in Missouri.
Colorado doesn't charge extra for standard hybrids either - just cars with a plug.
HemiEd
03-27-2024 02:34 AM
Thought this was interesting, rest of article in spoiler tags:
It’s Not Easy Being EV: Three EV startups — Lordstown Motors, Proterra, and Electric Last Mile Solutions — have all filed for bankruptcy. Plus, startup vehicles tend to cost more than what the average driver wants to pay. The Fisker Ocean SUV costs $62,000 — that’s about $20,000 more than a new Tesla Model Y or Ford Mustang Mach E. Even a bigger player in the startup space like Lucid, which is partially backed by that sweet Saudi oil money and just raised $1 billion from the Gulf kingdom, still faces weak demand for its luxury cars. If EVs were mousetraps, right now the goal isn’t about building a better one, but rather a cheaper one.
Spoiler!
AUTOS
Struggling EV Maker Fisker Can’t Find a Dance Partner
The gaping potholes that have emerged on the road to the EV future have swallowed another startup.
Fisker’s stock tumbled further on Monday (hard to do from 12 cents a share), and the company’s ability to stay in business appears in jeopardy following its announcement that a partnership deal with a larger automaker had broken down.
Not Enough Charge
EVs are more popular and well-designed than ever, but even the biggest carmakers — General Motors, Ford, and Mercedes-Benz — have had to scale down or slightly delay their plans as demand slows.
Startups like Fisker — which don’t have decades’ worth of customer loyalty, expansive facilities, or tens of billions of dollars at their disposal — face an even tougher uphill climb:
In February, Fisker announced it was negotiating with another carmaker for some kind of partnership that could have involved an investment, joint development, or use of the automaker’s facilities. The Wall Street Journal reported earlier this month that the company had hired advisers to help with a possible bankruptcy filing.
As a result of the partnership deal falling through, Fisker said it wouldn’t be able to meet the closing condition of a $150 million financing commitment that it had entered into with an investor, according to The Wall Street Journal. Earlier this month, Fisker paused production for six weeks, and on Monday, its share price fell another 28% to just under 9 cents a share. The stock was trading near $7 as recently as last September.
And it’s not just little guy Fisker asking for help. The need to team up is being seen throughout the industry. Nissan, a nearly 100-year-old company, plans to cut the cost of its EV manufacturing by 30% thanks to partnerships with France's Renault and Honda, per the Financial Times.
It’s Not Easy Being EV: Three EV startups — Lordstown Motors, Proterra, and Electric Last Mile Solutions — have all filed for bankruptcy. Plus, startup vehicles tend to cost more than what the average driver wants to pay. The Fisker Ocean SUV costs $62,000 — that’s about $20,000 more than a new Tesla Model Y or Ford Mustang Mach E. Even a bigger player in the startup space like Lucid, which is partially backed by that sweet Saudi oil money and just raised $1 billion from the Gulf kingdom, still faces weak demand for its luxury cars. If EVs were mousetraps, right now the goal isn’t about building a better one, but rather a cheaper one.
Written by Griffin Kelly
mabbott
03-27-2024 04:11 PM
I know Calfifornia has already considered a road tax "usage" tax that would be payed annually based on how many miles were driven. It didn't gain much ground; however, the closer we get to the 2035 all electric date, that will have to change as the amount of money raised by the gas tax will get less and less. I know I won't have to worry about that as I am eligible to leave California at the end of next year.
Pinchshot
03-27-2024 06:11 PM
We still talking about this scam?
BWillie
03-27-2024 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinchshot
(Post 17459987)
We still talking about this scam?
Scam? Smh....
HemiEd
03-28-2024 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by BWillie
(Post 17460110)
Scam? Smh....
Electric vehicle startup Fisker cuts base price of Ocean SUV to $24K as part of efforts to avoid bankruptcy; move comes after its stock was delisted this week from the New York Stock Exchange
Fisker Puts Its All-Electric Ocean SUV on Fire Sale, Slashing Prices By Tens of Thousands
An incredible 39 percent drop in price enrages current owners, but could newfound affordability intrigue potential ones?
I know Calfifornia has already considered a road tax "usage" tax that would be payed annually based on how many miles were driven. It didn't gain much ground; however, the closer we get to the 2035 all electric date, that will have to change as the amount of money raised by the gas tax will get less and less. I know I won't have to worry about that as I am eligible to leave California at the end of next year.
That is something they are considering now in Kansas. I just hope they don't do something stupid, like put another tax on all electricity customers.
