Gronk did a shit ton for Brady. Brady just threw up many jumpers and Gronk got them.

Not going to argue whatever Robert Weathers is arguing, but in my view peak Gronk was the best TE there ever was. That combines not only his ridiculous pass-catching capabilities, his clutch performances in high-pressure situations, his ultra-elite end zone capabilities, as well as his terrific blocking capabilities which created matchup nightmares for defenses to deal with.

If you wanted to build a team to win one game, I'd have Gronk as my starting TE on that team.

If you're going to have me draft a TE and get an entire career out of him...well, I'm definitely going to have to think long and hard about whether I want Gronk, mostly, over 9 years, or 17 years or whatever of Tony G. That is, after all, a helluva lot longer.

Actually his checkdown only thing is a myth but carry on

I'm not buying the lesser QB argument. The numbers really don't prove your point.

TGon pretty much had the same per game numbers with Matt Ryan as he did with the assortment of KC QBs he played with. Remember your offense was hell on wheels when Green and Vermeil where there and TGon put up monster numbers. It wasn't like he had Tyler Thigpen, Coyle and Huard his entire career and when he did he still had a 90 catch 1000yd seasons which were pretty much average Gronk/Brady seasons.

Are you saying Gronk would not be in the GOAT discussion if he played in KC and ATL with other QBs not named Brady?

Exactly right.

Any good qb will force the ball to his best playmaker and get him earn his money.


I think gronk is the most lethal tightened to ever play. He avg like 9.9 yards a reception. He was a first down machine. He was clutch in third down...I read somewhere he was more efficient than most WRs. He helped make Pat's an elite rushing team when it matters...see Superbowl. A healthy gronk may be the best weapon we've seen since like rice

That's correct, and we're talking Qualitative evaluation.
Continuity is truly factor.

That's like saying who's better Emmitt Smith or Barry Sanders.

Not really. If he was a 40 catch 500yd TD with Brodie Coyle and then a 100/1100yd TE with Brady then your argument could be proven.

He had the same QB for 5 years in ATL and a dozen in KC and had the same per game numbers.

If you are great at your job, coaches will get you the ball. That happened with TGon.

I'm speaking of 12 years in KC during his prime, since Gronk played 9 years afterall

essentially, you're saying you never followed Tony's career since you're going on sheer numbers and not continuity or issues of toxic environments

Yes. He averaged more ypc than Jerry Rice.

Only cuz Rice was stuck with those shit QBs like Montana and Young. ;)

So glad the Patriot fans have a place to talk during the offseason...

I know, right?

Because Mahomes Bro

Dude, you've been here for 15 years, you're good.

It's the rest of your kin that wandered in here drunk before the family reunion in January that are annoying.