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Hoover 04-26-2021 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Eureka (Post 15645738)
At some point the Chiefs are going to want young cheap talent to offset the big contracts.
Its a dance, and Bart Veach is awesome at it.

We have lots of contributors on rookie deals. OBJ, Hardman, Gay, Sneed, Nandi, Wharton, Dana, Niang, Allegretti.

Then you sprinkle in some Vets on one year deals, Reed, Remmers, Sorenson, Robinson, Blythe, Taco, etc.

I think the ability to sign players to one year deals is as important as it is to hit on your draft picks. I'll pay dudes like DRob, Sorenson, and Breeland (I would sign him again) to one year deals as long as I can.

DaneMcCloud 04-26-2021 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bricks (Post 15645771)
Count me in!

I gladly take Jones. He is worth it.
$15 million for 8 or 9 games of production is certainly not worth it.

This isn't 2012.

rabblerouser 04-26-2021 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 15645328)
We would need to find 5M in space and money for our draft class...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trading Julio Jones after June 1st<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Falcons?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Falcons</a> Dead Cap<br>2021: $7.75M ($15.3M saved)<br>2022: $15.5M ($3.7M saved)<br><br>New Team Acquires<br>2021: $15.3M (GTD)<br>2022: $11.5M ($2M GTD)<br>2023: $11.5M<a href="https://t.co/FpLHvrSCtc">https://t.co/FpLHvrSCtc</a> <a href="https://t.co/ge6cPUCkbh">pic.twitter.com/ge6cPUCkbh</a></p>&mdash; Spotrac (@spotrac) <a href="https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/1386707610724884481?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
He'd have to agree to restructure in order to make the trade happen.

No way we give him $15m/per. Hill is getting, what, I don't remember if his base salary for '21 was like $18 5m or if that was his Dead cap hit after he declined to restructure, but...that would be more than $30m against 2021's cap for 2 WRs.

Can't do it, homie.

ForeverIowan 04-26-2021 02:24 PM
Id prefer to shove it up Antoine Winfields and old ass Tom Bradys ass in embarassing fashion next year if we see them in the SB. Maybe Julio is rejuvenated playing in this offense and not having to be THE GUY for his team and taking a pounding. Its a gamble I would take ten times out of ten.

TomBarndtsTwin 04-26-2021 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 15645811)
He'd have to agree to restructure in order to make the trade happen.

No way we give him $15m/per. Hill is getting, what, I don't remember if his base salary for '21 was like $18 5m or if that was his Dead cap hit after he declined to restructure, but...that would be more than $30m against 2021's cap for 2 WRs.

Can't do it, homie.
The $11.5 mil in 22 and 23 would be pretty easy to handle, especially with only 2 mil. being guaranteed, but yeah that $15 mil. this year is a bit steep for us. Don't see anyway that trade happens, nor should it probably. Time to get younger at WR and grab a playmaker in the 2nd if one is there that fits.

But this ridiculousness of comparing Watkins and Mecole to Julio needs to stop. They don't even deserve to shine the shoes of the future HOFer.

Chris Meck 04-26-2021 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Eureka (Post 15645738)
At some point the Chiefs are going to want young cheap talent to offset the big contracts.
and I think the sooner we start working that way the better.

Dante84 04-26-2021 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 15645844)
The $11.5 mil in 22 and 23 would be pretty easy to handle, especially with only 2 mil. being guaranteed, but yeah that $15 mil. this year is a bit steep for us. Don't see anyway that trade happens, nor should it probably. Time to get younger at WR and grab a playmaker in the 2nd if one is there that fits.

But this ridiculousness of comparing Watkins and Mecole to Julio needs to stop. They don't even deserve to shine the shoes of the future HOFer.
Not arguing, genuinely curious - wouldn't Mathieu's extension create more than enough room, factoring in our current space + new space - draft class?

EDIT: I did the math.

Looks like the extension could create $10M in cap space for 2021, + the current cap space of $9,894,349, - Rookie pool requirement of $5,705,097 = $14,189,252

So no, just HB's extension alone would not get it done. There would have to be other adjustments made elsewhere prior to it becoming official on 6/2/2021. Kelce and Jones restructures would be candidates.

RustShack 04-26-2021 02:43 PM
Do they need a guard? Send them the Dr.

rabblerouser 04-26-2021 02:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 15645852)
Not arguing, genuinely curious - wouldn't Mathieu's extension create more than enough room, factoring in our current space + new space - draft class?

EDIT: I did the math.

Looks like the extension could create $10M in cap space for 2021, + the current cap space of $9,894,349, - Rookie pool requirement of $5,705,097 = $14,189,252

So no, just HB's extension alone would not get it done. There would have to be other adjustments made elsewhere prior to it becoming official on 6/2/2021. Kelce and Jones restructures would be candidates.
Julio Jones would have to agree to restructure and take SIGNIFICANTLY less money to make it happen.

How badly does he want a ring?

Is he looking for one last big payday? Or does he want to cement that HOF career with a SB to make the case of him being one of best all time at his position?

rabblerouser 04-26-2021 02:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 15645880)
Do they need a guard? Send them the Dr.
I doubt the Good Canadian Doc will agree to it.

He'd probably retire and go back to Canada with his medical bag and make over $100k/per over going to shithole Atlanta with their shithole franchise.

Chris Meck 04-26-2021 02:50 PM
alright, I know I said that OBJ was NOT going to happen, and I was wrong.

Julio Jones ain't gonna happen.

TomBarndtsTwin 04-26-2021 02:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 15645852)
Not arguing, genuinely curious - wouldn't Mathieu's extension create more than enough room, factoring in our current space + new space - draft class?

EDIT: I did the math.

Looks like the extension could create $10M in cap space for 2021, + the current cap space of $9,894,349, - Rookie pool requirement of $5,705,097 = $14,189,252

So no, just HB's extension alone would not get it done. There would have to be other adjustments made elsewhere prior to it becoming official on 6/2/2021. Kelce and Jones restructures would be candidates.
Not too mention you always wanna leave yourself a little wiggle room and Veach normally does for a late season FA pick up (if one becomes available he wants).

Just too many reasons not to do a trade for Julio, as fun as it might be to see him catching passes from Mahomes.

Dante84 04-26-2021 02:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 15645888)
Julio Jones would have to agree to restructure and take SIGNIFICANTLY less money to make it happen.

How badly does he want a ring?

Is he looking for one last big payday? Or does he want to cement that HOF career with a SB to make the case of him being one of best all time at his position?
Yeah, on that front - I'm sure if he were willing to restructure, the conversation around the trade wouldn't be happening since he'd just do the Falcons a solid.

I think he's holding firm, which might end up with him going to someone from the list below:

Teams who currently have more than $15M in effective cap space
Jaguars
$29,352,043
Broncos
$22,447,102
Jets
$15,478,713
Bengals
$16,953,417
Colts
$19,777,333
Lions
$16,924,950
Browns
$17,944,454
Chargers
$16,649,870

Rainbarrel 04-26-2021 02:58 PM
You dissing Hill.

Couch-Potato 04-26-2021 03:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 15645917)
Yeah, on that front - I'm sure if he were willing to restructure, the conversation around the trade wouldn't be happening since he'd just do the Falcons a solid.

I think he's holding firm, which might end up with him going to someone from the list below:

Teams who currently have more than $15M in effective cap space
Jaguars
$29,352,043
Broncos
$22,447,102
Jets
$15,478,713
Bengals
$16,953,417
Colts
$19,777,333
Lions
$16,924,950
Browns
$17,944,454
Chargers
$16,649,870
Jags and Browns have money, picks, and a star QB.


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