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staylor26 05-04-2021 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 15661504)
I understand the logic, but you are missing part of the equation...Spags defense is hard to learn, who are you going to play at MLB next year to call the defense when we are forced to cut Hitchens?

Exactly. It’s easy to see why getting a year ahead of that made sense.

From December:

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15429178)
I don’t expect them to take a LB in the 1st either, but it’s still possible considering it’s still one of our biggest needs for the future.

Collins or Bolton just might be BPA.

The Chiefs, under Reid, have a history of drafting for future departures the following year. Remember, even CEH wasn’t supposed to be the starter this year. Replacing Hitchens is a lot on the mental side, so it’s possible that they could want to get ahead of it and draft their guy a year early. That way when Hitchens is gone, you have 2 good young LB’s. You could also play Gay and the rookie a lot more in subs so we don’t have to see Niemann on the field anymore and avoid Hitchens in coverage as much as possible.

Again, I agree that it’s unlikely, but it’s absolutely possible.

Honestly, I should’ve known it was more likely than I thought.

Rasputin 05-04-2021 11:58 AM

**** Veach for making us pick practically last in the draft every year :cuss:


What the **** is his problem doesn't he know we get the best players by sucking and being at the top of the draft like when we got Eric Fisher?

htismaqe 05-04-2021 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15661570)
Exactly. It’s easy to see why getting a year ahead of that made sense.

From December:



Honestly, I should’ve known it was more likely than I thought.

I tried to tell you guys from the second he was drafted - regardless of what he contributes in 2021, the guy is going to be your defensive signal caller in 2022 AND he's going to save the team over $10M in cap space.

I don't even care what he does in 2021, the 2022 upside was worth the pick.

staylor26 05-04-2021 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15661625)
I tried to tell you guys from the second he was drafted - regardless of what he contributes in 2021, the guy is going to be your defensive signal caller in 2022 AND he's going to save the team over $10M in cap space.

I don't even care what he does in 2021, the 2022 upside was worth the pick.

You guys?

None of that was news to me. I totally understood the pick.

htismaqe 05-04-2021 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15661680)
You guys?

None of that was news to me. I totally understood the pick.

I know. I was being somewhat facetious.

staylor26 05-04-2021 01:38 PM

I guess Veach’s tier approach and our gaping hole at DE is why Direckshun has the Chiefs losing the SB again to the Bucs in his new mock!

:facepalm:

htismaqe 05-04-2021 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15661778)
I guess Veach’s tier approach and our gaping hole at DE is why Direckshun has the Chiefs losing the SB again to the Bucs in his new mock!

:facepalm:

LMAO

O.city 05-04-2021 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15661625)
I tried to tell you guys from the second he was drafted - regardless of what he contributes in 2021, the guy is going to be your defensive signal caller in 2022 AND he's going to save the team over $10M in cap space.

I don't even care what he does in 2021, the 2022 upside was worth the pick.

I'm not a big fan of our second round picks essentially redshirting, but this isn't a single year kinda thing so it makes sense. With a top heavy roster financially like KC has, sometimes, you gotta do certain things and this is getting ahead of that.

Chris Meck 05-04-2021 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15662085)
I'm not a big fan of our second round picks essentially redshirting, but this isn't a single year kinda thing so it makes sense. With a top heavy roster financially like KC has, sometimes, you gotta do certain things and this is getting ahead of that.

who said anything about redshirting?

I guarantee you both those guys play a lot if not starters day one.

When you literally have a perennial championship-caliber team, it's kind of hard to expect first year players to be day one starters; I mean the team is stacked, you're picking low in the round, etc.

But we look to have done exactly that. Humphrey will be given every chance to win that OC spot. Bolton will take Wilson's snaps, and a lot of Niemann's snaps, and next year, he'll take Hitchen's spot entirely.

htismaqe 05-04-2021 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15662085)
I'm not a big fan of our second round picks essentially redshirting, but this isn't a single year kinda thing so it makes sense. With a top heavy roster financially like KC has, sometimes, you gotta do certain things and this is getting ahead of that.

Bolton is going to play in 2021, and probably a bit more than Gay did last year.

Humphrey will likely start at least 12 games this season.

Not sure what the problem is.

htismaqe 05-04-2021 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15662137)
Bolton will take Wilson's snaps, and a lot of Niemann's snaps, and next year, he'll take Hitchen's spot entirely.

Gay is going to take Wilson's snaps. I'd be willing to bet at this point that we see a lot more of Niemann than most here want to see.

But Bolton is going to play.

kccrow 05-04-2021 07:56 PM

I'm in alot of agreement with RunKC and a little disagreement with staylor here.

I'm a huge proponent of drafting based on production. If a pick comes down to a player that produced versus a player that has all the athletic traits but didn't produce, I'm going to take the guy that produced every single time.

It's a reason I was much higher on guys like Joe Tryon and Ronnie Perkins over guys like Odafe Oweh and Kwity Paye. Tryon and Perkins don't lack athleticism, they just don't show that "supreme" athleticism that you see with Oweh and Paye... yet both were far more productive than either, and, really, both combined.

I want football players, not track athletes. That's one reason I gave Bolton an A grade and have been high on him through the process. Bolton is a football player. He makes the plays and the hits, he aligns and diagnoses, all that. He doesn't run a 4.40 as an MLB but he's ahead of the curve with a 4.58 as an LB.

O.city 05-04-2021 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15662248)
Bolton is going to play in 2021, and probably a bit more than Gay did last year.

Humphrey will likely start at least 12 games this season.

Not sure what the problem is.

Unless Humphrey starts the season at c I doubt he plays as we know Reid doesn’t change unless injury.

I’d imagine he starts the season out as the starter. He’s already so good.

We just seem to have a history of “he needs time to learn” picks recently in the 2nd round

DaneMcCloud 05-04-2021 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15662278)
Unless Humphrey starts the season at c I doubt he plays as we know Reid doesn’t change unless injury.

I’d imagine he starts the season out as the starter. He’s already so good.

We just seem to have a history of “he needs time to learn” picks recently in the 2nd round

Mitch Morse started immediately and I expect Creed Humphrey to do the same.

I'm looking forward to the battle for right guard between LDT, Long and Smith.

staylor26 05-04-2021 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15662273)
I'm in alot of agreement with RunKC and a little disagreement with staylor here.

I'm a huge proponent of drafting based on production. If a pick comes down to a player that produced versus a player that has all the athletic traits but didn't produce, I'm going to take the guy that produced every single time.

It's a reason I was much higher on guys like Joe Tryon and Ronnie Perkins over guys like Odafe Oweh and Kwity Paye. Tryon and Perkins don't lack athleticism, they just don't show that "supreme" athleticism that you see with Oweh and Paye... yet both were far more productive than either, and, really, both combined.

I want football players, not track athletes. That's one reason I gave Bolton an A grade and have been high on him through the process. Bolton is a football player. He makes the plays and the hits, he aligns and diagnoses, all that. He doesn't run a 4.40 as an MLB but he's ahead of the curve with a 4.58 as an LB.

I think you need a combination of the two. It’s not an either/or thing for me whatsoever. When you’re picking at the bottom of every single round, you sometimes have to take big swings on guys like Kaindoh, Gay, and Oweh if you want blue chippers. No risk it, no biscuit.

I’m also more comfortable doing that when you have a great coaching staff like we do on both sides of the ball.


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