After the season the newly selected draftees can be traded. Who knows what comes back from headliners like Contreras and Happ...

https://c.tenor.com/cWNpE2earJkAAAAC...bing-hands.gif

I give it very little chance of happening, but its literally 0% chance to happen before the deadline. Let a man dream.

Katie Woo on the Athletic thinks this gets it done

Jordan Walker and Masyn Winn, in the Cardinals’ case — seems to be the bare minimum Washington would ask for. It’s believed the rostered player the Nationals would covet the most is 23-year-old outfielder Dylan Carlson, who isn’t arbitration-eligible until 2024 and won’t be a free agent until 2027. Plus take on Corbin’s money and add a starting pitcher to the deal.

But, she says the Cards are focusing on acquiring starting pitching at the deadline ,not Soto.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/NecessaryI...restricted.gif

Cardinals are dumb as **** if they just brush this off and stash it in the "we don't need him to win" category.

Cubs have no shot at it because even with a top 5 ranked system there's no Walker level guy in the system. An Athlethic writer for the Cubs said this on the situation...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don&#39;t think the Cubs will get Juan Soto for a few reasons. But talk about it not being the right time or not worth the prospect cost makes no sense to me. The right time to pursue a generational talent is when they&#39;re available, which so rarely happens. <a href="https://t.co/pMIEJAbcWn">https://t.co/pMIEJAbcWn</a></p>&mdash; Sahadev Sharma (@sahadevsharma) <a href="https://twitter.com/sahadevsharma/status/1550839409871917058?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 23, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

And then this nugget...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With the Juan Soto sweepstakes heating up, I looked at every example of a team trading for a recent top MVP finisher in the last 30 years.<br><br>Short version: Teams acquiring such a player almost always win the trade, and win big, no matter the prospect cost.<a href="https://t.co/cObGOh13y9">https://t.co/cObGOh13y9</a></p>&mdash; Kyle Glaser (@KyleAGlaser) <a href="https://twitter.com/KyleAGlaser/status/1551570020920020993?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DeWitt and Mozeliak over there focusing on that 1 time where it arguably didn't work out with a player that most certainly wasn't anywhere near Soto's level.

There's solid pitching available out there that's probably available for cheap. Blake Snell is probably on the we need to free up cash list for the Padres and he's got a 3.5 FIP on the season. Mike Clevinger is probably on that same list and he just returned from TJS. Neither of those guys would require anyone from the Soto pool of prospects, unlike a guy like Montas.

If they trade any one of their top prospects for Montas and pass on Soto that would be very upsetting. I would have to write a strongly worded email or something.

You always trade for a talent like Soto.

How is it even debatable?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Newsflash: They won't

If the Royals were in the same position with a solid team and the right prospects to trade like the Cardinals are and they didn't go after Soto I would be pissed.

Missing the point.

Do you think that the Cardinals will trade for Soto?

Me too.

Goldy & Arenado & could add Soto.

That’s an insane lineup.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

They probably won't, but Mo will certainly enjoy telling everyone how close they came but were just barely outbid at the last minute. "We tried!"

I’m all for getting Soto and Corbin then making another deal for Lopez. You have a great farm system where prospects are being blocked. Utilize it and trade for stars. Just hope they can keep Winn and trade Gorman instead, move Edman back to 2B.

The Nationals dont sound interested in attaching Corbin to Soto. Like I said when this all started, why would they? Corbin has the exact remaining years on his deal as Soto. If you are trading Soto, you are punting those years, so getting Corbin off the books isn't exactly a priority because the team is going to suck and be cheap.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;We&#39;re not going to dilute the return for any player by including a bad contract,&quot; Rizzo said, when <a href="https://twitter.com/JunksRadio?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JunksRadio</a> asked him about throwing the Corbin contract into another deal at the deadline.</p>&mdash; Chelsea Janes (@chelsea_janes) <a href="https://twitter.com/chelsea_janes/status/1552283082140557312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Apparently Jeff Passan dropped a nugget on some radio show saying that his sources have confirmed the Yankees have offered up 5 of their top 10 and Torres for Soto and that it's the best offer at this moment for Soto. Who the **** knows who the 5 are though. If Volpe was involved there would probably be a lot more talk about it so I doubt its a very "strong" 5, if it's even a real rumor.

EDIT: Nevermind. Passan put out some PSA on his twitter talking about if its news you'll see it there and not on some radio show. Yankees mods trolling their own forums.

Early morning rumblings is that according to Britt Ghiroli, the Padres are exchanging names with the Nationals on Soto and that Abrams, Gore, and Hassell were all included in their preliminary offer.

She mentioned it in an Athletic podcast and the brief reaction between everyone there was Gore's injury and what it does to that offer. But say they back off on Gore, put Campusano in, and then pivot to a pitcher like Susana who is a Tink Hence level pitching prospect, imo... things just got interesting.

If they have a team built around Tatis and Soto for a decade good luck NL.

At this point I think Gorman/Abrams are about similar in value.

I'd put Walker a hair ahead of Hassell.

I still think the Cardinals get it done if they're willing to move Walker. They won't get it done if they aren't. And I think that's the way it's been from the start.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For anyone prospect hoarding, this was our farm in 2013. It was ranked #1 in baseball, besides OT and CMart for a season no one else really panned out great. Rosie was alright but you can’t hoard your farm for someone like Juan Soto <a href="https://t.co/T4z7UfzA65">pic.twitter.com/T4z7UfzA65</a></p>&mdash; MarmolSZN (STL 52-47) (@MarmolSZN) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarmolSZN/status/1552309719611711494?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

No respect for Wong.

How you going to mention Oscar Taveras working out great and then just glance over the guy on that list with the most career WAR?

The history on 'superstar' trades is really quite clear.

If you can get a HoF player entering his prime, you ****ing do it. Hang the prospect costs - just get the deal done.

There will be more prospects. There always are.

Hector Gomez (pretty respected baseball journalist; specializes in Latin America) is floating a few packages out there as being on the table:

Cardinals: Carlson, Gorman, Winn, Graceffo, Burleson

Padres: Abrams, Gore, Morejon, Hassell, Mears

And he recently reported (like, within the hour) that talks are intensifying between the Padres and Nationals. Hassell is the big piece here, IMO. And Abrams has some ability but sure seems to be struggling to tap it. Maybe there's some Buxton potential there where he just takes longer to break out than hoped.

If the Cardinals let Soto go to SD it demonstrates just how half-assed their efforts at actually winning truly are. Gotta gather up as many of those Fabergé eggs as possible, eh Moe? Looking forward to that Edmundo Sosa for a fringy AAAA long-reliever deal making headlines in short order.

Typical Mozo - first in line with the next best offer.

That's the most irksome part about this for me. Leaving walker off the list shows a lack of a serious intent to do this deal. I understand getting the best negotiated price but at least put forth a genuine good faith offer.

Yeah, if the Cardinals could get it done WITHOUT including Walker and choose not to, it's asininely conservative.

Abrams has had a weird year at the MLB level. Honestly, I'm not sure teams would place a lot of stock in it. Between injuries, making the team early because of injuries, and then inconsistent playing time, his numbers at the MLB level through 120 ABs don't say much. He isn't striking out at an exorbitant rate, he just hasn't hit the ground running.

He HAS performed at a high level in his limited dips at AAA this year.

I won't get mad at the Royals for not pursuing Soto hard. But if I were a Cardinals-first guy, I'd be livid if he lands anywhere else.

If they can get it done WHILE including Walker and choose not to, it's a real problem.

That's been my point all along - I don't think any pursuit of Soto that takes Walker off the table just isn't serious. You can't say to a team "Yeah, I want that HoF guy who can barely drink but I'm not even willing to give you my top prospect for him..."

I love Walker - don't get me wrong. But c'mon - this is Juan Soto. It's not like the Padres are going out there and saying "Nah, we just can't include Robert Hassell..."

Because...duh.

But that's just Mozeliak's thing.

Going by Hector Gomez's timeline is doesnt sound too good for the Cardinals offer. 6 hours ago he tweeted about the Padres and Cardinals offers and 3 hours ago he tweeted about the Padres and Nationals intensifying their discussions.

Time to put Walker in the deal.

They really should have done that from the jump if they were serious. I think Mo would be absolutely shocked if by some turn of events they ended up winning this bid. They are far more concerned about the appearance of effort than results.

When the Royals guys who watch enough Cardinals game to know what they got is saying go for it with Soto. And if Jordan ****ing Walker is the hold up over Juan Soto, the Cardinals are just dumb ****s.

That’s a perfect example why trading for Soto using prospects is a no-brainer.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I agree with this approach. Goldy/Arenado/Soto can win a series by themselves. We get at least 3 legitimate tries at another WS.

not including Walker, if true, would be sooo typical of Mo. Just make sure you are seen making an effort. 2nd best. We tried.

Wonder if this pushes Arenado to opt out?

Ohtani is available…why not trade for him?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probably looking at giving up the exact same prospects. He's not really available. The Angels are just listening and not hanging up if someone is interested.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...6bc59d5815.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

From the Woo article on the Athletic:

Frankie Montas, on the other hand, is gathering interest from the Cardinals, as The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal reported Thursday. It’s believed that acquiring Montas, who has made 19 starts for Oakland with a 3.18 ERA and 109 strikeouts over 104 2/3 innings, would require at least two top prospects and potentially a currently rostered player with substantial team control remaining. It’s worth repeating that if Montas’ asking price is so high, wouldn’t it make more sense for the Cardinals to be all in on Soto, and look for smaller, incremental upgrades to their pitching staff?

The Cardinals will give up 80% as much as it would take to land Soto and get 60% as much value from him.

It's just Mozeliak's way.

It’s Nightengale so a gain of salt is needed

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Juan Soto Final 4 (in terms of aggressive offers entering the weekend)<br>San Diego <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Padres?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Padres</a><br>Seattle <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Mariners?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Mariners</a><br>St. Louis <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cardinals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cardinals</a><br>Los Angeles <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Dodgers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Dodgers</a></p>&mdash; Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) <a href="https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1552997113033793537?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'm a Cubs fan, but my God they and their TV network have really taken a toll on my fandom. I mostly watch west coast BB at night, going to a Giants Padres game in SD in a couple weeks.

Anyway, it feels so ****ing strange for me to be rooting for the Cardinals to land Soto, not sure you could swing both, but getting Soto and Montas/Lopez would be just about perfect.

Wonder if the Cards might be a good fit for an Astro's SP since they are looking to shed some arms.

I couldn't care less if the Cardinals get him. I dont think they will though because I dont see Cardinals brass giving up what its going to take for 2.5 years of Soto, because I also dont see them handing out the contract to extend him.

Cubs are going to suck ass for at least another year anyways, especially if they are going to cry poor and signing Correa at 27 years old would have been a set back while being the only ****ing team that would have been bidding for him since everyone else made their move.

So he'll be a Yankee.

Nightengale's inability to be right even by accident is truly spectacular.

If the Yankees pull that off…holy shit what a lineup!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I've heard that the Nationals are going to make one last attempt at an extension and if he declines hes getting traded.

I'm going with Padres or Mariners. Those 2 teams have no ****s given GM/PoBO.

Nightengale has somehow willed it into being....

My god, if ambivalent ownership/leadership is a positive here, the Cardinals are ****ing GOLDEN....

Just sayin…. :rolleyes:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We have acquired LHP JoJo Romero from the Phillies in exchange for SS Edmundo Sosa. <br><br>Romero has been assigned to Memphis (AAA). <br><br>SS Paul DeJong has been recalled from Memphis (AAA). <a href="https://t.co/dgy5ncubHE">pic.twitter.com/dgy5ncubHE</a></p>&mdash; St. Louis Cardinals (@Cardinals) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cardinals/status/1553442534247899136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Pirates will steal Soto at the last minute.

Just kidding.

Awesome! This is a great trade! His 13 era for the season (7.85 career) will fit right in with the rest of our pen. Mo will have Mormol touting him as the next great starter by the end of the season.

To be fair, he's only pitched 21 innings in the majors. He was a control guy with pretty decent numbers until he hit AAA when something pretty clearly happened with his mechanics and he out of nowhere started walking nearly 6 batters per 9. His first year in the majors he gained it back and had a 7.59 ERA but the Phillies defense is trash and his FIP was 3.66. He's walking guys again, but it's a really small sample size. There's stuff there to work with and you traded Sosa so there's really not much more you could ask for.

I could ask not to be stuck with DeJong anymore!

Well, Winn might see time in the majors next year as a late season call up, so DeJong's time is coming.






























In before they trade Winn for Montas.

I hate to agree with you but, you are correct. Sosa ain't worth shit.What do you expect? If he gets his mechanics right, he is way more valuable than Sosa. And Sosa is not a trade piece that any potential team trading would want even as a throw in.

Twitter is starting to light up with rumors the Cards are the front runners for Soto. I'm about 50/50 on whether I actually want them to give up that many guys for him. I know I know they are "prospects" for a reason.

Hopefully they have an extension worked out if they do because if they don't lock him up this could be a huge gamble.

Also WTF did the Brewers trade Hader to the Padres? They are also rumored to be shopping Wong.

WTH?

Kind of wondering why this thread wasn't active with discussion. Figured you guys knew it was BS. From what I understand its pretty much a 3 team race between the Cardinals, Padres, and Dodgers.

I'm all for getting Soto as long as one of Walker and Gorman stays. Will be disappointed if they don't acquire a starter, though.

Yea its not going to do any good this season if they don't acquire some pitching as well.

I cant believe the Brewers are selling right now. Makes no sense to me.

I don't think trading Hader on the surface is that crazy. He's making $11 mil. right now and is up for arbitration. He's gotten hammered in 2 appearances but otherwise has been solid.

However, I don't think paying him that much or more going forward would be a wise commitment. The Brewers also got a lot in return.

As for Wong, probably the same idea.

The Yankees just traded for Frankie Montas and Lou Trevino

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-yo...kbuster-trade/

Can't wait to see what a letdown the next 24 hours or so will be...

Probably trade for Brad Keller or some shit

Winn for a #4/#5 rental starter who will want big bucks in the off season.

NY Post says it the Dodgers, Padres and Cardinals left. Cue Mo, we tried our best, just can’t compete with those big city teams.

If Washington is about young cost controlled talent and not money, we would have the edge, right?

Come on Mo!!

https://c.tenor.com/UJtfZLzpS68AAAAC...l-in-poker.gif

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The St. Louis Cardinals are finalizing a deal to acquire left-hander Jose Quintana from the Pittsburgh Pirates, sources tell ESPN.</p>&mdash; Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1554279731012452353?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Quintana is having a good year and seems to have good underlying #s (3.24 FIP).

Sneaky good move.

Genius move.

Helping our divisional rivals win a crown.

Being a Pirates fan is torture.

That’s a quality trade.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Do we know what they gave up for him?

Rumor in the Twittersphere is Oviedo and Malcom Nuñez.

So basically a guy who at best could be a useful reliever but nothing special and someone who is blocked at 3B by Arenado/Walker.

Pirates have the worst ownership group in MLB by far. They don't even try. Royals suck but at least we spend some money, sort of actually try to win and well we did win a ship in the last decade.

We have three rivers in the city yet Nutting still lives.

If true, that seems too lopsided towards us to be a Mo trade.

Sounds like a great trade. Solid replacement for Matz this year. Still need another arm.

Looks like we also got a former first round pick RP.

You want this generations Ted Williams but not at the expense of a guy who’s never sniffed MLB. ROFL

Baltimore Os fans were infamous for these takes

I think giving up Gorman + Walker would be asinine to go along with Winn and Carlson as well as McGreevy or Liberatore for Soto for 2.5 years.

Perfectly fine giving up Gorman, Winn, Carlson, and McGreevy/Liberatore or Walker with the same package instead of Gorman. Not both Gorman and Walker.

I believe Walker is the real deal as well as Gorman. CF could be a big issue in the immediate term if Bader's hurt and Carlson's traded. I feel that Gorman, Winn, Carlson, and McGreevy/Liberatore would be more than fair. That's over 20 years of service time with a high end prospect, rookie with high end talent at 2B, established above average young OF, and mid-rotation prospects for 2.5 years of Soto.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Quintana deal also includes RHP Chris Stratton coming to the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stlcards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#stlcards</a>, according to a source. He&#39;s made 40 appearances, 39 in relief for the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pirates?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pirates</a>. Former first-round pick has 37 Ks in 40 2/3 innings.<br><br>Story will be updated:<a href="https://t.co/ur7P6y6oBE">https://t.co/ur7P6y6oBE</a></p>&mdash; Derrick Goold (@dgoold) <a href="https://twitter.com/dgoold/status/1554298997845680129?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So you would be cool with Walker + Carlson and those other guys but not Walker + Gorman and those other guys?

Wtf? You can more easily replace Gorman and Carlson was/is the better "prospect."

One 6war guy is worth 50% more than two 3war guys

Yes, because I don't think they have anyone who can play 2B in the minors if Gorman's traded and most 2B don't have his power. Everywhere he's gone, he's started off slow, adjusted, then raked. Losing Gorman AND Walker, along with Carlson and Winn, would be incredibly steep. Winn also leaving would still leave a void at 2B as Edman would have to be at SS (I'm not sold on a platoon of Donovan/DeJong being a viable option for IF help).

Soto is an immediate upgrade over Carlson. Carlson's the way better defender. Including him isn't some cheap throw in.

Walker also probably is even more highly rated than Carlson was (he's ranked 6th in all of MiLB currently. I think Carlson topped out at 14).

And I'm all for going in for Soto, but man, I think Walker has a super high ceiling.

When has Gorman raked other than in May when he was called up?

He had a 117 wRC+ for July with 33% strikeout rate. He's been a high strikeout hitter his entire career and that's going to limit his production.

I would give up Gorman in a ****ing heartbeat over Carlson.

Gorman has shown he takes time to adjust at each level he's been at (specifically at the A and AAA levels).

I guess I'm more willing to part with Carlson because Soto would immediately replace him in RF (you could argue why not just move Carlson to CF and have Bader as a 4th OF, which you might have a point) vs I don't think middle IF has much of anyone to assist with replacing at SS or 2B if Gorman is traded, especially if Winn is included in a trade.