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DaneMcCloud 05-18-2020 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 14977824)
If we've got Ahsoka, and we've got Sabine...

I just hope they cast Tiya Sircar and not someone else for the role of Sabine.

bowener 05-18-2020 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 14977836)
I just hope they cast Tiya Sircar and not someone else for the role of Sabine.

Holy shit! I completely forgot she was the VA for Sabine. I love her on The Good Place. The absolutely should cast her.

Is it confirmed that the Ahsoka series isn't going to be the "female-centric" series? Because right now they've got a hell of a start on a strong female cast, and I'd be completely fine watching these women kick ass together.

edit: Upon searching, no, Ahsoka spinoff is not the female-centric show.

DaneMcCloud 05-18-2020 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 14978012)
Holy shit! I completely forgot she was the VA for Sabine. I love her on The Good Place. The absolutely should cast her.

Is it confirmed that the Ahsoka series isn't going to be the "female-centric" series? Because right now they've got a hell of a start on a strong female cast, and I'd be completely fine watching these women kick ass together.

edit: Upon searching, no, Ahsoka spinoff is not the female-centric show.

I’m 99% certain that the Ahsoka series will be written and run by Filoni. Those are his original characters and he knows them better than anyone else. I really hope we’ll get to see Hera at some point and of course, Captain Rex.

I don’t have confirmation but it appears to me that The Mandalorian will be the jump point for the Ahsoka series since it’s been confirmed that she, Sabine and Boba Fett* will appear in Season 2.

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Spoiler!



The female centric show runner is a Leslye Hedlund, who created and directed Russian Doll on Netflix.

bowener 05-19-2020 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 14978120)
I’m 99% certain that the Ahsoka series will be written and run by Filoni. Those are his original characters and he knows them better than anyone else. I really hope we’ll get to see Hera at some point and of course, Captain Rex.

I don’t have confirmation but it appears to me that The Mandalorian will be the jump point for the Ahsoka series since it’s been confirmed that she, Sabine and Boba Fett* will appear in Season 2.

*
Spoiler!



The female centric show runner is a Leslye Hedlund, who created and directed Russian Doll on Netflix.

Good point about them being Filoni's characters. He will definitely know the headspace of each one of them and their personalities and actions will make justifiable sense with respect to their pasts. I really hope Hera and The Ghost appear.

Man, you're getting me so hyped for this series now.


Spoiler!

DaneMcCloud 05-19-2020 11:16 AM

Possible Big Spoiler for Season 2's Casting:

Spoiler!

Hammock Parties 05-19-2020 12:31 PM

**** yeah. Awesome setup.

Spoiler!

Fish 05-19-2020 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 14979129)
Possible Big Spoiler for Season 2's Casting:

Spoiler!

Spoiler!

Hammock Parties 05-21-2020 09:08 AM

https://scontent.fmkc1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...53&oe=5EEA9614

Tribal Warfare 05-29-2020 04:35 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RUMOR: Lucasfilm is reportedly in the process of casting an actor to portray Ezra Bridger in a live-action <a href="https://twitter.com/disneyplus?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@disneyplus</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/StarWars?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#StarWars</a> show! Details: <a href="https://t.co/yk5e1bpEry">https://t.co/yk5e1bpEry</a></p>&mdash; Star Wars Direct (@StarWars_Direct) <a href="https://twitter.com/StarWars_Direct/status/1266496753181822976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Tribal Warfare 05-30-2020 04:51 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RUMOR: Lucasfilm is reportedly planning to introduce a live-action version of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Thrawn?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Thrawn</a> in an upcoming <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/StarWars?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#StarWars</a> project! <a href="https://t.co/kojvNeEjKa">https://t.co/kojvNeEjKa</a></p>&mdash; Star Wars Direct (@StarWars_Direct) <a href="https://twitter.com/StarWars_Direct/status/1266858884939034624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bowser 05-30-2020 04:54 PM

I like where this is supposedly heading.....

DaneMcCloud 05-30-2020 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 14995555)
I like where this is supposedly heading.....

I wish that I had more info about this but since people aren't in their offices, it's difficult to get any gossip

:(

Bowser 05-30-2020 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 14995597)
I wish that I had more info about this but since people aren't in their offices, it's difficult to get any gossip

:(

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b1/f7...201d83ba99.gif

:D

With any luck, Cali will loosen up sooner than later and the rumorville will fire back up. You know, the important stuff in life. Lol

Tribal Warfare 06-15-2020 08:15 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ewan talks about The Mandalorian and &quot;Hello There: The Musical.&quot; The opening number sounds amazing already. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EwanMcGregor?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EwanMcGregor</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ObiWanKenobi?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ObiWanKenobi</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HelloThereTheMusical?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HelloThereTheMusical</a> <a href="https://t.co/lTpYPwHvr1">pic.twitter.com/lTpYPwHvr1</a></p>&mdash; All Things Kenobi (@allthingskenobi) <a href="https://twitter.com/allthingskenobi/status/1272687455767080960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hammock Parties 06-15-2020 09:23 PM

i wish he'd age faster so he can play old obi wan

Fish 06-15-2020 09:44 PM

Ewan is a ****ing treasure.

Gadzooks 06-16-2020 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 15022804)
Ewan is a ****ing treasure.

I thought he sucked in Fargo.

Fish 06-16-2020 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 15024103)
I thought he sucked in Fargo.

Note: Star Wars Ewan. Ewan as Obi Wan is ****ing cherry. He's one of the rare characters who had such an individual influence on the character, that the character slowly morphed into Ewan instead of the other way around. Your Fargo opinions have no power here...

listopencil 06-17-2020 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 15024150)
Note: Star Wars Ewan. Ewan as Obi Wan is ****ing cherry. He's one of the rare characters who had such an individual influence on the character, that the character slowly morphed into Ewan instead of the other way around. Your Fargo opinions have no power here...

He's doing an impression of Alec Guinness.

Gadzooks 06-17-2020 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 15024150)
Note: Star Wars Ewan. Ewan as Obi Wan is ****ing cherry. He's one of the rare characters who had such an individual influence on the character, that the character slowly morphed into Ewan instead of the other way around. Your Fargo opinions have no power here...

Listo's right, He can impersonate Alec Guinness, he can also play a convincing Scottish Git, (naturally), but his performance in Fargo has to go down as some of the worst acting in the history of film.

I don't get why a lot of you guys have a boner to see Ewan McGregor in some dogshit, lazy prequel.

Guinness' Obi Wan character was seasoned and wise. McGregor's Obi Wan was just melba toast and boring. The fact that you say "the character slowly morphed into Ewan instead of the other way around" just means that Ewan is such a shitty actor, he took a good character and made him drab/ whiny.

Spoiler Alert - Obi Wan sacrifices himself to Vader in order to save Luke and Co... We all saw it. Who gives a shit what he did between the ROTS and ANH? According to ANH he was a hermit. He's dead, move on.

The thing that makes The Mandalorian entertaining is the fact that they're doing something close to new and not rehashing the same old shit. My only critique is that the characters are still boring, (not as boring as McGregor's Obi Wan though).
Let alone this garbage:
https://media.gq.com/photos/58f7b441...fargo-1x1.jpeg

BigRedChief 06-20-2020 11:02 PM

Mark Hamill had a uncredited cameo in episode 5

https://deadline.com/2020/06/the-man...202964723/amp/

Tribal Warfare 07-01-2020 06:04 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the way. Just announced, discover a new series of books inspired by <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheMandalorian?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TheMandalorian</a>: <a href="https://t.co/1sLwXlxoOg">https://t.co/1sLwXlxoOg</a> <a href="https://t.co/46gCZrFVpd">pic.twitter.com/46gCZrFVpd</a></p>&mdash; Star Wars (@starwars) <a href="https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1278025637161250816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Nicky Daniels 07-01-2020 07:48 AM

Well, at least that's another thing to look forward to amidst the pandemic.

DaneMcCloud 07-22-2020 11:41 AM

I didn't know where to put this but I was told recently that a new Lando Calrissian Disney+ series is in the works starring Donald Glover and some outlets begun reporting the same.

I didn't post about earlier because I was told it wasn't a lock because due to working out Glover's availability but now that other sites are picking up on it, it looks like a go.

Even though it's a Lando series, it's likely that Han & Chewie will appear at some point, although I've been told that a Solo TV series is completely out of the question at this point in time.

Gadzooks 07-22-2020 12:59 PM

Terrible idea.

Megatron96 07-22-2020 01:24 PM

Just finished re-watching Mando. Still good.

Buehler445 07-22-2020 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15079785)
I didn't know where to put this but I was told recently that a new Lando Calrissian Disney+ series is in the works starring Donald Glover and some outlets begun reporting the same.

I didn't post about earlier because I was told it wasn't a lock because due to working out Glover's availability but now that other sites are picking up on it, it looks like a go.

Even though it's a Lando series, it's likely that Han & Chewie will appear at some point, although I've been told that a Solo TV series is completely out of the question at this point in time.

It’s going to have to be good. One thing I think we’ve learned is you can’t trade on the past and tell mediocre stories.

DaneMcCloud 07-22-2020 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 15080039)
It’s going to have to be good. One thing I think we’ve learned is you can’t trade on the past and tell mediocre stories.

I think Lucasfilm is finally headed in the right direction so I expect a Lando series to be very, very good.

The Mandalorian was the turning point. With Jon Favreau at the helm as the showruner, they've brought in incredibly talented directors (I mean, Taika as a TV show director?!!) and this year is no exception with Peyton Reed (Ant Man and Ant Man 2) and other phenomenal directors joining in for Season 2.

Hiring Deborah Chow (The Mandalorian, Mr. Robot) to run the Obi Wan series was genius as was hiring Tony Gilroy for the Rogue One prequel series.

Also, I've been told that Kevin Feige's first love is Star Wars, so if he brings what he brought to Marvel over to Star Wars, look out.

Gadzooks 07-23-2020 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 15080039)
It’s going to have to be good. One thing I think we’ve learned is you can’t trade on the past and tell mediocre stories.

I think the thing we've learned is we're no longer a part of the Star Wars demo. (30-50 year old male).

If Kevin Feige is added to the crew, we'll see a saturation of Star Wars content - good or bad.

IMO - We had our time with the original series and younger people are dumb enough to accept a crappy product as gold.

We had our time with Star Wars, time to grow up, it's over. Sad but true...

bowener 07-23-2020 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 15080894)
I think the thing we've learned is we're no longer a part of the Star Wars demo. (30-50 year old male).

If Kevin Feige is added to the crew, we'll see a saturation of Star Wars content - good or bad.

IMO - We had our time with the original series and younger people are dumb enough to accept a crappy product as gold.

We had our time with Star Wars, time to grow up, it's over. Sad but true...

I disagree, but it is just my opinion. For films, we are right in their demographic of people that will spend $15-$20 a ticket. Feige might over saturate the box office with content, but at the very least he will create an average story with great production value. At best he will create a shared cultural experience that will span a decade and culminate with a great finale. Marvel films were enjoyable for all age groups and there is no reason SW can't be handled the same way. If you put solid writers and directors on these projects they will come out superior to the last 3 films without a doubt.

SW television may be a different thing. They have a show for adults, and soon to be several more. They will undoubteldy have shows for tweens too. There is too much money to be made, and too many possible stories to tell to exclude anyone from the shared universe. They aren't going to leave money on the table.

Gadzooks 07-23-2020 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 15080962)
I disagree, but it is just my opinion. For films, we are right in their demographic of people that will spend $15-$20 a ticket. Feige might over saturate the box office with content, but at the very least he will create an average story with great production value. At best he will create a shared cultural experience that will span a decade and culminate with a great finale. Marvel films were enjoyable for all age groups and there is no reason SW can't be handled the same way. If you put solid writers and directors on these projects they will come out superior to the last 3 films without a doubt.

SW television may be a different thing. They have a show for adults, and soon to be several more. They will undoubteldy have shows for tweens too. There is too much money to be made, and too many possible stories to tell to exclude anyone from the shared universe. They aren't going to leave money on the table.

I've found the Marvel products to be drivel.
Rehashed bullshit about Obi Wan and/or Lando would be much, much worse.

Deep down inside, I see the handling of SW, by Disney, as an injustice. But, I've moved on. Kids are stupid so they might buy whatever half-ass crap Disney decides to invest in.

keg in kc 07-24-2020 01:16 PM

I'm 46, and while the new trilogy of movies weren't great, they certainly weren't the disasters that the prequel films were. Filoni's handling of the animated series was certainly mature enough for any adult such as myself to enjoy, at least with Clone Wars and Rebels (I never watched Rebellion). And it translated fantastically to The Mandalorian. I actually think tv series like Obi Wan, Cassian Andor and Lando may work better than films would. Longer serial form fits exactly into what the OT was all about.

DaneMcCloud 07-24-2020 01:41 PM

Rumors are that there are nine Star Wars TV series in production, including Pre-Production for The Mandalorian Season 3.

In case anyone missed it, all Star Wars movies have been pushed back to 2023 at the earliest, all of which will have greatly reduced budgets.

As I've said in the past, I think the future of Star Wars lies on Disney+.

DaneMcCloud 07-24-2020 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 15082151)
But, I've moved on.

Great!

We know you don't like Star Wars, yet you feel compelled to constantly posts about your hatred of all things Star Wars.

So, can you please stop ****ing up these threads with your horseshit now?

GloryDayz 07-24-2020 01:59 PM

I see the resident malcontent has his hands on the keyboard again.

Tribal Warfare 07-24-2020 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15083192)
Great!

We know you don't like Star Wars, yet you feel compelled to constantly posts about your hatred of all things Star Wars.

So, can you please stop ****ing up these threads with your horseshit now?

That's why I avoided ROS thread, because I was done getting pissed off at something I couldn't control.

Gadzooks 07-24-2020 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15083192)
Great!

We know you don't like Star Wars, yet you feel compelled to constantly posts about your hatred of all things Star Wars.

So, can you please stop ****ing up these threads with your horseshit now?

To be fair, I barely post in Star Wars threads, and when I complain it's generally related to the lack of creativity and the idiotic and lazy concept of prequels.

The problem is I loved Star Wars and I saw a lot of promise in what it could become. I now realize Disney will not take any risks and will rehash the same characters with lower level plot lines.

It's sad, but it is what it is.

Frazod 07-25-2020 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 15083143)
I'm 46, and while the new trilogy of movies weren't great, they certainly weren't the disasters that the prequel films were. Filoni's handling of the animated series was certainly mature enough for any adult such as myself to enjoy, at least with Clone Wars and Rebels (I never watched Rebellion). And it translated fantastically to The Mandalorian. I actually think tv series like Obi Wan, Cassian Andor and Lando may work better than films would. Longer serial form fits exactly into what the OT was all about.

The only good thing I can really say about the prequels is that they don't suck as much as VIII and IX. But they still suck. Hard. I mean, Herpes is better than AIDS, but it's still Herpes.

Of the 11 movies made, I'd recommend five of them. Well, maybe 5 1/2, since Force Awakens certainly had its moments. The biggest problem with Force Awakens is that the following films are so bad that they render watching it pointless.

The original Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, Solo, and Rogue One (which at this point I'm fairly convinced is the best of the bunch) are the ones I'll happily watch again. To hell with the rest of them.

keg in kc 07-25-2020 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 15084384)
The only good thing I can really say about the prequels is that they don't suck as much as VIII and IX. .

We'll just agree to disagree on that.

The Phantom Menace is still, to this day, the worst experience I have ever had in a movie theater. If you remember back to those days, the last Star Wars experience we'd had, if you don't count Expanded Universe books, was Return of the Jedi. Now RotJ was disappointing in some ways, ****ing Ewoks destroying Imperial troops to sell toys, but it was still a good movie. Expectations for TPM were crazy high. The trailers looked great, all the early press looked great, it looked amazing. And then it was just awful. Kid Anakin was the most annoying character ever to grace the screen, the whole movie was about boring ass politics and economics instead of a space opera, some bullshit about midichlorians was muttered onscreen, and while they did manage to introduce two really cool characters in Qui'gon and Maul, they were both dead and gone when the credits rolled. I have never walked out of a theater more disappointed, not even after Clooney's bat-nippled disaster.

And then Attack of the Clones hit, the worst Star Wars movie by a landslide, although at that point I expected it to be bad. So it wasn't the crushing disappointment of TPM.

Revenge of the Sith was, marginally, the best movie of the prequel trilogy, bit that's kind of like saying you caught the best of the six strains of Covid.

As soon as JJ Abrams was announced as putting out the force awakens, my expectations dropped to zero. So, unlike TPM, I was not in any way disappointed by it. I've since seen it a couple more times. I don't think it's bad, and I don't think - aside from the Canto Bight sequence - 8 or 9 are all that bad either. I can see me watching them if I happen to find them on some night. I don't think Daisy Ridley was very good casting, I think the movies were too derivative of the OT and I don't think any of the new characters really captured much interest, but the movies are still watchable, if not particularly good.

Whereas I will never, ever watch the prequels again. You couldn't pay me to sit through that shit.

Frazod 07-25-2020 02:28 PM

The prequels were bad because over the course of two decades Lucas forgot how to make good movies and his bloated ego and unlimited power prevented anyone from reigning in his suck. They weren't bad because he hated Star Wars, Star Wars fans, Star Wars characters, or simply used Star Wars to shove a feminist agenda down our throats. Every leading male character in Last Jedi was portrayed as a useless piece of crap that had to be beaten into shape by the nearest unattractive, flat-chested Mary Sue. Luke was a dejected loser and quitter; Finn was a cowardly pussy; Poe was a hot-headed moron; Kylo was a raging toddler. And how dare Chewbacca kill and eat one of those cute little space penguin things! The bastard. He should have been content to drink the nurturing green milk from the life-giving giant space titty instead. And let's not forget the space bombers or light speed kamikaze run that shit all over everything in every previous movie. Both death stars could have been taken out by one rebel ship! Too bad Laura Dern was busy making good movies back in the 80s.

I'm sorry, but Last Jedi was so bad that it makes Dune look like Blade Runner. Rise of Skywalker was marginally better, but it was basically an undertaker trying to assemble an exploded, rotting corpse for an open casket viewing. They could only do so much to repair the damage.

Hammock Parties 07-25-2020 02:58 PM

Prequel characters and story were better.

Execution - directing/acting/writing - just sucked complete balls.

They are the inverse of the ST.

20 years later, I like them better. And The Clone Wars shits all over the ST.

BigRedChief 07-25-2020 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 15084784)
The prequels were bad because over the course of two decades Lucas forgot how to make good movies and his bloated ego and unlimited power prevented anyone from reigning in his suck. They weren't bad because he hated Star Wars, Star Wars fans, Star Wars characters, or simply used Star Wars to shove a feminist agenda down our throats.

Feminist agenda or not, I still think the 3rd act of Rogue One is the best "Star Wars" ever put on film.

Frazod 07-25-2020 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 15084848)
Feminist agenda or not, I still think the 3rd act of Rogue One is the best "Star Wars" ever put on film.

WTF are you talking about? Rogue One has no feminist agenda; no more so than Aliens or Terminator did. Like those movies, it has a strong, compelling lead who just happens to be a woman. And like those movies, it is awesome.

BigRedChief 07-25-2020 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 15084867)
WTF are you talking about? Rogue One has no feminist agenda; no more so than Aliens or Terminator did. Like those movies, it has a strong, compelling lead who just happens to be a woman. And like those movies, it is awesome.

I have no idea what a “feminist agenda” is these days. Vailpass was going on about something in boys. Seems to me that a “feminist agenda” can be anything with a female in it these days. :hmmm:

DaneMcCloud 07-25-2020 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 15085052)
I have no idea what a “feminist agenda” is these days. Vailpass was going on about something in boys. Seems to me that a “feminist agenda” can be anything with a female in it these days. :hmmm:

No offense to anyone in this thread but I wholeheartedly agree.

People have said these things about the latest Star Wars trilogy and I guess I'm too dumb to recognize it because all I saw was blown potential. I didn't see any agenda or any of the SJW stuff that other people have described seeing.

Same goes for the Marvel films. With Captain Marvel, all I saw was a movie that fell far short of my expectations. It was an average script at best, a poor choice for the lead role and a superhero that had so much power that she was boring (yet couldn't kill Thanos so like, what's the point of her character?). But I saw posts on CP claiming that it was an "SJW" movie. I've watched a few times since seeing it in theaters and still don't get it.

I put Captain Marvel below the Joss Whedon directed Avengers films, for no other reason than the movie was basically unnecessary and almost worthless, which is pretty much how I see the original Avengers and Ultron - two failed concepts by the same director (I didn't like Justice League, either) and movies that just don't work for me.

:shrug:

keg in kc 07-25-2020 07:04 PM

Yeah, I don't think anybody old, white or male needs to feel quite so threatened by women appearing on film, or behind camera, or in board rooms. It's not like they're going to stop making movies with male leads. The idea is not to lose our box office contribution. They're trying to get more people into theaters with us, not despite us.

Which does introduce the problem of trying to be too much of everything for everyone. Which is what, in my opinion, was the biggest problem with many of these movies. You try to jam so much in to cater to so many demographics and it just becomes an overstuffed jumble of nonsense. Which is how I saw Rise of Skywalker.

Hopefully eventually everyone will relax, people will stop caring about whether the writer or the director or the producer or the studio exec has a vagina or not, and we'll all be able to start creating, watching and critiquing movies based on quality more than statistics.

But it will take some time, because women being more than pretty things to look at is still a relatively new concept to a lot of people, no less so in Hollywood than anywhere else.

DaneMcCloud 07-25-2020 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 15085155)
Hopefully eventually everyone will relax, people will stop caring about whether the writer or the director or the producer or the studio exec has a vagina or not, and we'll all be able to start creating, watching and critiquing movies based on quality more than statistics.

For example, The Mandalorian.

Favreau hired two female directors in Deborah Chow and (first time director) Bryce Dallas Howard. Chow directed two episodes and Howard one episode while the other five episodes were directed by Dave Filoni, Rick Fumuyiwa and the great Taika Waititi.

While the finale was my favorite episode, Chow's 7th episode is a close second and all of the episodes were masterfully directed, IMO. And while Favreau and KK hired more male directors for Season 2 (I'm stoked to see Peyton Reed's work), they hired very capable directors who had a vision for the series and each episode.

It's very, very competitive and difficult to become a true Hollywood director and while Howard had some help, Chow did not. But as time moves on, we'll see more and more female directors fail and succeed because there's finally a climate in which they're allowed to fail and succeed.

Frazod 07-25-2020 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 15085155)
Yeah, I don't think anybody old, white or male needs to feel quite so threatened by women appearing on film, or behind camera, or in board rooms. It's not like they're going to stop making movies with male leads. The idea is not to lose our box office contribution. They're trying to get more people into theaters with us, not despite us.

Which does introduce the problem of trying to be too much of everything for everyone. Which is what, in my opinion, was the biggest problem with many of these movies. You try to jam so much in to cater to so many demographics and it just becomes an overstuffed jumble of nonsense. Which is how I saw Rise of Skywalker.

Hopefully eventually everyone will relax, people will stop caring about whether the writer or the director or the producer or the studio exec has a vagina or not, and we'll all be able to start creating, watching and critiquing movies based on quality more than statistics.

But it will take some time, because women being more than pretty things to look at is still a relatively new concept to a lot of people, no less so in Hollywood than anywhere else.

Kathleen Kennedy doesn't "threaten" me. She pisses me off because she deliberately ruined Star Wars. I have no interest in her vagina. Really. I just don't want it gushing feminist propaganda at me for two solid hours when I'm paying to be entertained. That doesn't make me a neanderthal; it makes me a dissatisfied customer.

As I said before, I think Rogue One is the best Star Wars movie. Aliens and the first two Terminator movies rank at/near the very top of my personal favorite sci-fi movies. All of them have female leads, and between Sigourney Weaver, Linda Hamilton and Felicity Jones, I only consider Jones to be truly pretty, and that has nothing to do with why I liked Rogue One so much. Not sure why liking them gets me no credit, but disliking the female characters in the horrible Last Jedi makes me some sort of knuckle dragging goon.

Last Jedi was a bad movie. The quality was shit. I notice you didn't dispute any of the points I made. That's because you really can't.

lawrenceRaider 07-26-2020 07:15 AM

Oops, wrong thread, too many tabs open.

MANDALORIAN!

lawrenceRaider 07-26-2020 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15085129)
No offense to anyone in this thread but I wholeheartedly agree.

People have said these things about the latest Star Wars trilogy and I guess I'm too dumb to recognize it because all I saw was blown potential. I didn't see any agenda or any of the SJW stuff that other people have described seeing.

Same goes for the Marvel films. With Captain Marvel, all I saw was a movie that fell far short of my expectations. It was an average script at best, a poor choice for the lead role and a superhero that had so much power that she was boring (yet couldn't kill Thanos so like, what's the point of her character?). But I saw posts on CP claiming that it was an "SJW" movie. I've watched a few times since seeing it in theaters and still don't get it.

I put Captain Marvel below the Joss Whedon directed Avengers films, for no other reason than the movie was basically unnecessary and almost worthless, which is pretty much how I see the original Avengers and Ultron - two failed concepts by the same director (I didn't like Justice League, either) and movies that just don't work for me.

:shrug:

People get all worried about "Girl Power" moments in film like there haven't been moments like that in films forever, same with Dude Power moments.

They may commingle comments by actresses/directors who are SJW types with what happens in the film. To echo Frazod a bit, perhaps they are looking to assign blame in supremely disappointing films, so pile on the SJW bits.

Frazod 07-26-2020 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 15085726)
People get all worried about "Girl Power" moments in film like there haven't been moments like that in films forever, same with Dude Power moments.

They may commingle comments by actresses/directors who are SJW types with what happens in the film. To echo Frazod a bit, perhaps they are looking to assign blame in supremely disappointing films, so pile on the SJW bits.

I hadn't seen any of the newer Marvel movies other than Guardians, and over the Christmas/New Year's holiday when I got Disney Plus for The Mandalorian I binge watched all the Avengers movies as well as Captain Marvel. I actually liked it. Larson comes off as such an arrogant **** in real life (hell, you can tell her co-stars don't even like her), but I had no problem with the character or the movie. OTOH, Daisy Ridley seems like a really sweet kid when she's being interviewed. I have no problem with her personally or her performance. She was just given horrible material to work with.

Raiderhater 07-26-2020 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15085129)
No offense to anyone in this thread but I wholeheartedly agree.

[B]People have said these things about the latest Star Wars trilogy and I guess I'm too dumb to recognize it because all I saw was blown potential. I didn't see any agenda or any of the SJW stuff that other people have described seeing.

Same goes for the Marvel films. With Captain Marvel, all I saw was a movie that fell far short of my expectations. It was an average script at best, a poor choice for the lead role and a superhero that had so much power that she was boring (yet couldn't kill Thanos so like, what's the point of her character?). But I saw posts on CP claiming that it was an "SJW" movie. I've watched a few times since seeing it in theaters and still don't get it.[B]

I put Captain Marvel below the Joss Whedon directed Avengers films, for no other reason than the movie was basically unnecessary and almost worthless, which is pretty much how I see the original Avengers and Ultron - two failed concepts by the same director (I didn't like Justice League, either) and movies that just don't work for me.

:shrug:

While not feminist specific, the entire Canto Bight sub-plot was pure SJW pandering/messaging.

The issue with Captain Marvel wasn’t the film itself so much as it was Larson attaching a SJW “vibe” to it off screen. She keeps quiet and you don’t see or hear much of anything about the film in that regard.

Frazod 07-26-2020 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 15086015)
While not feminist specific, the entire Canto Bight sub-plot was pure SJW pandering/messaging.

The issue with Captain Marvel wasn’t the film itself so much as it was Larson attaching a SJW “vibe” to it off screen. She keeps quiet and you don’t see or hear much of anything about the film in that regard.

It probably would have helped if she'd smiled once or twice, too. Instead of looking bored and pissed off that she had to be there, but was contractually obligated to carefully explain to the little people how important the film's message was.

I'm sure the marketing folks loved her.

Raiderhater 07-26-2020 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 15086177)
It probably would have helped if she'd smiled once or twice, too. Instead of looking bored and pissed off that she had to be there, but was contractually obligated to carefully explain to the little people how important the film's message was.

I'm sure the marketing folks loved her.

Yeah, if one didn’t know any better they might think she was trying to submarine the film (not even sure that was possible at that point even if desired). She just did not put on a good public front during the making of that movie.

Bowser 07-26-2020 07:35 PM

Just for you guys, lol

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bowener 07-27-2020 07:37 AM

Stop being fragile snowflakes and understand women aren't threatening you or your way of life. Including them in the conversation, E.g. writing, directing, or starring, brings in new ideas and view points. I don't know what it's like to be a woman or understand their day to day life. The more I read from female writers the more I am embarassed by my behavior earlier in life because of things I never thought of or realized. Yes, sometimes the story might be over the top, but I imagine its the same for a woman when she watches something like Rambo destroying an entire village.

Hammock Parties 07-27-2020 08:11 AM

Who cares. Aliens and Terminator were great, and in fact, vastly superior to the shit we're getting now. Because the female leads stood on EQUAL FOOTING with the men in those movies. We didn't need feminazi bullshit.

Remember how badly ghostbusters failed?

Eliminating men to promote women is not the way.

Saulbadguy 07-27-2020 08:14 AM

The prequels, while bad at he time, are now great strictly because of /r/PrequelMemes.

Hammock Parties 07-27-2020 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 15087030)
The prequels, while bad at he time, are now great strictly because of /r/PrequelMemes.

At least the characters are somewhat memorable.

No one gives a shit about a single character in the sequel trilogy.

Except Kylo. The one with an arc.

Buehler445 07-27-2020 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15087024)
Who cares. Aliens and Terminator were great, and in fact, vastly superior to the shit we're getting now. Because the female leads stood on EQUAL FOOTING with the men in those movies. We didn't need feminazi bullshit.

Remember how badly ghostbusters failed?

Eliminating men to promote women is not the way.

It’s just tell a good story. Wonder Woman was really good. And Gal Gadot was a badass, better than the men. Just tell a good story and it’s fine.

Frazod 07-27-2020 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowener (Post 15086988)
Stop being fragile snowflakes and understand women aren't threatening you or your way of life. Including them in the conversation, E.g. writing, directing, or starring, brings in new ideas and view points. I don't know what it's like to be a woman or understand their day to day life. The more I read from female writers the more I am embarassed by my behavior earlier in life because of things I never thought of or realized. Yes, sometimes the story might be over the top, but I imagine its the same for a woman when she watches something like Rambo destroying an entire village.

Oh **** off. Kathleen Kennedy isn't all "women." Calling her out for ruining Star Wars isn't sexist; it's the truth. Calling her out for using Star Wars to shove a political agenda down our throats isn't an attempt to chain all women to the stove. Ever seen Zero Dark Thirty? It's a darkly violent movie directed by a woman and starring a woman in the lead role, and I absolutely love it. Too bad Kathryn Bigelow wasn't the producer/writer/director of Last Jedi; it wouldn't have sucked. If anything, your post is the most sexist thing I've seen lately, because apparently all women need so-called enlightened douchebags like you to pat them on their heads, hold their hands and lead them out of the house so they can fulfill their impossible dreams of becoming directors and studio executives. Otherwise, they're doomed to spend their lives baking cookies, right?

And what the **** does Rambo have to do with anything? If anybody, male or female, goes into a Rambo movie and is surprised that he shoots shit up is a moron. What Kennedy did to Star Wars the equivalent of Rambo going into an enemy village and spending the entire film knitting baby booties while the enemy soldiers kill everybody.

If you want to be embarrassed about something, it should be that somebody at CNN has your balls in a jar.

:shake:

Pitt Gorilla 07-27-2020 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 15086015)
While not feminist specific, the entire Canto Bight sub-plot was pure SJW pandering/messaging.

The issue with Captain Marvel wasn’t the film itself so much as it was Larson attaching a SJW “vibe” to it off screen. She keeps quiet and you don’t see or hear much of anything about the film in that regard.

People are conflating actors and the characters they play? Seriously? I guess I assumed we'd evolved beyond that, but I suppose the old people that threw crap at the actress that played Nellie Oleson weren't so crazy after all.

I certainly hope they don't try to cast Jerry's dentist as a drug kingpin.

Frazod 07-27-2020 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 15087477)
People are conflating actors and the characters they play? Seriously? I guess I assumed we'd evolved beyond that, but I suppose the old people that threw crap at the actress that played Nellie Oleson weren't so crazy after all.

I certainly hope they don't try to cast Jerry's dentist as a drug kingpin.

Well, I was rather young at the time, but I don't recall Alison Arngrim coming off as an aloof asshole in press interviews before the show came out.

Raiderhater 07-27-2020 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 15087477)
People are conflating actors and the characters they play? Seriously? I guess I assumed we'd evolved beyond that, but I suppose the old people that threw crap at the actress that played Nellie Oleson weren't so crazy after all.

I certainly hope they don't try to cast Jerry's dentist as a drug kingpin.

It was the actress that was conflating her positions with the movie. Muse about her lack of evolving.

keg in kc 07-28-2020 05:01 PM

Nominated for the Best Drama Emmy!

It won't win, stuff ass competition, but pretty sweet nonetheless

Baby Lee 08-22-2020 05:13 AM

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Gadzooks 08-22-2020 09:45 PM

This guy looks like he smokes a lot of that wacky tobacky.

listopencil 08-23-2020 06:50 PM

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mr. tegu 09-02-2020 10:48 AM

Star Wars: The Mandalorian
 
https://twitter.com/starwars/status/...161139712?s=20

Hammock Parties 09-08-2020 08:40 AM

everyone looks FAT

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Hammock Parties 09-15-2020 08:38 AM

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JUST SEEING A ****ING BANTHA GETS ME HARDER THAN CARBONITE!

DaneMcCloud 09-15-2020 12:21 PM

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keg in kc 09-19-2020 12:04 PM

Won 5 creative emmys the other night. We'll see how it does Sunday, though I'm not expecting anything. Wins were for Outstanding Special Visual Effects, Outstanding Cinematography for a Single Camera Series, Outstanding Sound Mixing for a Comedy or Drama Series, Outstanding Sound Editing for a Comedy or Drama Series, and Outstanding Production Design for a Narrative Program.

BigRedChief 09-19-2020 12:19 PM

Dane,


Was there really such deep creative issues on the set that the lead actually quit or is that just some TMZ overblown shit? Know anything?

keg in kc 09-19-2020 01:34 PM

The consensus that I've seen so far is that it's just a clickbait rumor from a youtube 'reviewer' (Grace Randolph). Pascal's known since before the show even went into production that he'd rarely show his face, so for him to leave the show halfway through the season because he wanted the helmet off more just sounds a little off...

If he is gone, it might end up being the least impactful recasting in TV history. Because as I understand it he doesn't actually perform in the suit (that's done by John Wayne's grandson, believe it or not), he only does the voiceover.

RINGLEADER 09-19-2020 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 15177694)
The consensus that I've seen so far is that it's just a clickbait rumor from a youtube 'reviewer' (Grace Randolph). Pascal's known since before the show even went into production that he'd rarely show his face, so for him to leave the show halfway through the season because he wanted the helmet off more just sounds a little off...

If he is gone, it might end up being the least impactful recasting in TV history. Because as I understand it he doesn't actually perform in the suit (that's done by John Wayne's grandson, believe it or not), he only does the voiceover.

All this. Sort of like hiring Stallone in his prime to play Judge Dredd (which was ruined by him taking the helmet off, among other things).

DaneMcCloud 09-19-2020 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 15177535)
Dane,


Was there really such deep creative issues on the set that the lead actually quit or is that just some TMZ overblown shit? Know anything?

For years, Jon Favreau has been a terror on set. He alienates a lot of people on each project and I've been told this directly by people who have worked for him in the past and some who've worked on The Mandalorian, who've all said that he's extremely difficult while shooting.

I don't have enough information to verify this story although I will say that Pedro Pascal didn't like that John Wayne's grandson was basically his stand-in all throughout Season 1 and wanted a bigger role and input for himself for Season 2.

That said, I have a hard time believing that scripts were re-written on set to cut him out of the series or to reduce his role, as it's been their plan all along to explore other worlds and stories with this series, which has already spawned at least one-spin off.

DaneMcCloud 09-19-2020 02:22 PM

Also, James Caan revealed this week that there will never be an Elf sequel because Favreau and Will Ferrell did not get along, whatsoever, during the original shoot, which gives even more credence to the notion that Favreau is very difficult on set.

I had a friend that worked on one of the Marvel films earlier this decade and asked "What was it like to work with Favreau?".

The first word that came out of his mouth was "Asshole".

keg in kc 09-21-2020 05:02 PM

It's an opinion piece from a source I don't know, but it's the strongest take so far against what I've thought was just click bait all along:
Quote:

Originally Posted by geekocity
Rumors of Pedro Pascal walking off The Mandalorian set in a huff halfway through the filming of Season Two circulated globally last week. According to the gossip, Pascal became upset when he was told he couldn't remove his helmet during certain scenes. The rumors then escalated into click-baited speculation that Pascal would either leave or be booted off the show. Sources close to the matter firmly deny both reports.


The sources explained the obvious: Pascal knew when he signed that, for the most part, his face will not be shown. That he should demand "face time" now makes no sense; it's an integral part of his character.


Moreover, Pascal's doubles Brendan Wayne and Lateef Crowder also share time in the costume so whatever discomfort he encounters wearing it isn't exclusive to him and there are people who can relieve him if necessary. One source added the controversy is just "another example of how people are trying to damage the Star Wars brand for a personal beef or profit from it on social media."

https://www.geekositymag.com/post/is...he-mandalorian

It never made sense to me. And the timing is suspect, to say the least. If Pascal had stormed off the set 'halfway through the season' that would have been either late last year or early this year, as filming on the season wrapped before the quarantine began 6+ months ago. And it's just coming out now, on the heels of the trailer and release date announcement? Right....


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