Meh, hard to say he's giving it away if Smith is gonna wind up shooting 63 or 64 on Sunday

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Cameron Young is an animal off the tee. He loads up at the top and goes all out.

Smith is playing well. But shooting -6, -4, -6 then putting up -2 through 15 is killing him. He's had chances, just haven't made the shots. Not getting at least birdie on 14 is giving one away.

What a putt. Might have just won him the open

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Huge par save by Cam.

Rory’s gonna have to birdie the last 2 to have a shot.

He’s got a look on 17 but he won’t make it.

So many majors where guys choke or make mistakes but these last couple majors guys are just making shots all over the place down the stretch.

30 on the back 9 of the final round at thr British Open. I don't care how easy the course is. That's nuts

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No. It’s because the course sucks and it way too easy..:rolleyes: JFC

Good for Smith. Great final round.

Cam Smith has ice water in his veins…absolute clutch up and downs on 17 & 18 to win.

Guy was a putting machine. He is on par with Ben Crenshaw for one of the greatest putters of all time.

How about rookie Cam Young firing a 65 and taking 2nd outright. Dude is a player!

Same old story with Rory on Sunday at a major.

17 was absurd. Thought there was no way he could ever get as close as he did from behind that bunker.

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Some of my thoughts on The British Open:

Cam Smith? He reminds me of Joe Dirt. He's played great all year and came out on top today. If it couldn't be an American I'm down with him getting the win.

Rory's putts didn't seem like bad putts they just didn't go in.

And then watching DJ putt like ass was a hoot. He needs to go back for the guaranteed money on the LIV tour.

His recovery after taking the double yesterday instead of the wheels coming off was also impressive.

Rory really hasn't ever made putts when it matters. He's Sergio Garcia, he just hits every club up to his wedges so good it sometimes just doesn't matter. It seems like he does get a little tight in final rounds or when its close with the putter.

I thought the same thing. Joe Dirt mixed with:

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and

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I have no clue wtf those are but if you see that you might want to see a shrink.

Rumors that tomorrow a big swath of players are moving to LIV…names include Cam Smith, Matsuyama, Leishman, Bubba Watson, and Henrik Stenson who would then be stripped of the Ryder Cup captaincy.

Cantlay, Fowler, and David Feherty linked too….

One of the great things about the PGA is that they create a lot of proceeds for charities. I don't know that LIV will do that but it seems to be more of a greed based operation.

LIV is a complete sham funded by Saudi blood money…

It’s a joke and **** every one of these players that jump to it.

The PGA Tour is going to be forced to make a deal with that "complete sham" in the next year or they will completely cease to exist as they have for the past several decades. LIV is only going to continue grabbing more and more of their top players until there is little left. These guys are professional golfers who play golf for money, they'll leave the political/social/moral implications of that decision to others to debate.

Yeah I believe they'll lose a lot of fans IMO. I won't be pulling for them.

When I was young I was a Norman fan but not anymore.

The PGA Tour is in no way shape or form going to cease to exist…that is just silly.

LIV has no TV deal, no one they’ve signed is a true needle mover, they don’t have the tournaments/history/venues the PGAT does and their product is garbage considering there’s ZERO incentive to win or compete and the format is hilarious.

Golf fans aren’t going to move over in droves and the general sports fan could care less.

Do they any fan turnout or television audience?

I would think that playing on a tour with no fans would hurt the marketability of the players who choose to do so. I guess they won't need that money if they get enough guaranteed from the LIV but if that tour doesn't last they could be screwing themselves. In my case I don't do Nike or Adidas but a lot of people do.

But certainly not as currently constituted, which as the point.

As LIV continues to take more and more of their top players, the networks are inevitably going to come to the PGA Tour to demand that they rework their television contracts. To avoid that, they're going to have to fold and let the banned LIV guys back in because it's simply good business to do so (it would also be likely illegal if they didn't given that the players are officially independent contractors but that's another issue entirely).

You don't think LIV getting a massive TV deal is inevitable with all these players they're taking? Come on now. Someone will come to them soon enough.

Also, as far as true needle movers (if Dustin Johnson and Bryson DeChambeau don't count for some reason), it sounds like they are about to get the #2 golfer in the world/current Open Champion in Smith. There's absolutely no way that's going to be the last elite guy they're going to get given the amount of money they're throwing around now either. I'm struggling to find where the incentive is for any of them to stay with the PGA Tour?

Golf fans will watch where the best golfers are playing. If that's at LIV in a year or so and they're readily available on TV, they'll watch that over tournaments like the 3M Open this week (whose best players are Matsuyama, Finau, and Sungjae Im).

I did find this.

https://www.livgolf.com/news/liv-gol...he-uk-ahead-of

Yep and there is only one Major attributed to the PGA. The Masters, US Open, and The Open are run under different organizations. The PGA championship could fall into the Ocean and no one would really notice. The writing is on the wall, the PGA will have to compete for talent.

I guess we'll see next year after they've taken half of the best players in the world from the Tour. Assuming they get a TV deal from someone (and why wouldn't they be able to? Networks are in to making money, not taking moral positions), I'd assume they'll do just fine in that regard.

PGA Tour doesn't even run the PGA Championship, that would be the PGA of America. The PGA Tour's primary events are the Players Championship and the FedEx Cup Playoffs (which nobody gives a shit about).

They're in trouble and the sooner they recognize that and make a deal with LIV, the better for their chances of remaining anything close to what they are. It makes no sense at all as a business model to continue banning your top players from competing in your own events.

https://www.si.com/golf/news/jon-rah...tiate-liv-golf

Even the top golfers on the PGA Tour are now calling to make a deal with LIV before its too late. Rory said something similar a few weeks back. They see the writing on the wall here.

Why would he want that turd Sergio Garcia on his team?

I won't watch the Saudi backed tour but that doesn't mean others won't. I did quit watching golf for several years at one point after the Payne Stewert tragedy. I knew Payne and played some with him and his dad as well. It's been long enough now for me to say we even burned a fatty together on the course one day. I watch a lot these days. PGA and LPGA alike.

I would think plenty will watch, so long as they get themselves a TV deal.

And my parents actually knew Payne as well. Sad day that was.

Did you wear the same ugly pants as him as well?

Haha! No that was his deal. As I remember he usually wore shorts unless he was playing an event. He pulled that off with great style though.

Would've hated to be the pilot who pulled the trigger on that jet

There was some speculation in the media that the fighter jets were prepared to shoot down the Learjet if it threatened to crash in a heavily populated area.[citation needed] Officials at the Pentagon strongly denied that possibility. Shooting down the plane "was never an option," Air Force spokesman Captain Joe Della Vedova said, "I don't know where that came from."[8]

Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien authorized the Royal Canadian Air Force to shoot down the plane if it entered Canadian airspace without making contact. He writes in his 2018 memoirs, "The plane was heading toward the city of Winnipeg and the air traffic controllers feared that it would crash into the Manitoba capital. I was asked to give permission for the military to bring down the plane if that became necessary. With a heavy heart, I authorized the procedure. Shortly after I made my decision, I learned that the plane had crashed in South Dakota."[9] Chrétien relates that Stewart was "an excellent golfer, whom I knew and liked very much."

Despite what that Air Force spokesman said, it seems it very much was an option.

Always thought they had

The tour would catch hell if they made a deal with LIV. These guys murder people they disagree with. Even Mickelson said they’re bad MF’ers.

I agree they’re in a bad spot but I think as long as they don’t lose Tiger or Rory they can survive.

I think they'll take catching hell for a few days over losing their entire business.

And Tiger Woods isn't even going to play more than a couple of PGA Tour events a season going forward (if that) because he has to focus on the majors. His body won't allow it.

Rory had 36 putts on Sunday. You aren't going to win the British Open doing that.

He had so many that he just missed. Eventually you have to make a putt if you want to win.

That was Cam Smith on Saturday - couldn't hit a putt to save his soul until #18. Then, that dude took off like a rocket. His game is absolutely perfect for St. Andrews. He keeps the ball in play and he can putt like a God.

The GF was going for that Cameron - I was going for Joe dirt

I don't get the hate for guys taking guaranteed money and going to the LIV Tour.

Guys are getting BIG bucks that could take them years of winning to get that much.

I think 99.9% of you would do the same.

I don't care what they do. If they want to play 54-hole exhibition golf and get filthy rich, go for it. But, it's nothing more than the Saudi Circus League. The Saudis' will eventually get tired of losing billions per year (even though that's meaningless to them) when they realize it's doing nothing to change their image.

If it winds up collapsing or goes nowhere and these guys are left hanging so be it. Then that is the downside of their choice.

But like EVERYTHING today, people want to pick one side and vilify the other.

I love the PGA Tour but I'm curious to see new courses and new tournaments.

This may work or it could be like Arena Football.

Putting. The dumbest thing about golf.

Rory getting talked about being a choke artist in a tourney he set the all time scoring record in a major and lost.

Explain please.

BWillie can't putt.

My putting sucks but it only shows me the importance of putting.

I was just watching the Greg Norman 30 for 30 last night. Rory clearly isn't as big a choker as him, but there are some parallels there (he's never won the Masters, he had his own Masters collapse shooting an 80 with a four stroke lead on Sunday, a huge major drought of 8 years in the prime of his career, etc.). Now he's already got 4 majors which is a great career, but with all his talent, he should have had more by now.

Correct. And its dumb. Boring to watch. Why should it really be a skill? Just put circles around hole. Inside 6 feet, auto one putt. Outside of it 2 putt. No 3 putts for anyone! Think of how much faster golf would be.

I hit 16/18 GIR in my club championship. Shot 76. 38 putts. Just cuz I miss 3 footers. Rory, Sergio strike the golf ball great. I want ball strikers rewarded. Not Patrick Reeds or Brad Faxons. Oh cool, ur good at not missing from 5 feet. Who gives a shit. I wanna see Rory send the ball into the abyss or Morikawa stuff iron after iron.

Not a golfer but this sounds like a dumbass idea

I’m with Willie, I want ball striking more rewarded. My fave golfer Serge gave me 20 years of frustration watching him lose putt-putt contests

LOL it's one of many aspects of the game and it's always been the most important part of the game. If you can't get in the hole you suck.

Those knee knockers separate the men from the boys and chokers don't get to win because they're chokers.

You still get to see those things.

Maybe work on 3 foot putts so you aren't terrible at putting?

Putt to a tee

No matter how many diff putters, grips, practice I still brick 3 footers ALL the time. Always have. Shit Ill miss 9 inch to 1 foot putts sometimes. It is what it is at this point.

Chipping and putting are the one area where you can be as good as the pros with enough practice. It’s just a matter of making the commitment.

I completely disagree. I think its quite the opposite, actually.

When I played in a pro am, how the pros hit the ball didn't really surprise me. How they could scramble, chip and putt really surprised me at least in person. Maybe a caddy helps with that a little, I don't know. I dont ever see +3s to 3 handicaps putt and chip like the pros do.

Drive for show. Putt for dough.

No, it’s not the opposite. You’ll never hit it as far as DJ or Doucheambeau because you’re not anywhere near the athlete they are and you don’t have the hand/eye coordination.

But putting is all about a repeatable motion, learning to read greens, and lots of practice. That’s it. With enough practice, you could be as good as they are.

As illustrated in this thread, you like to bomb the long ball. You don't practice the short game. If you did, you'd get better at it
But in reading, you won't. Pretty simple.

It's about belief in oneself more than anything. Trust your read and trust yourself. If you don't believe in yourself, you're going to struggle.

Well, and not suck

Well, it's BWillie, so...

I think putting is similar to accuracy in terms of throwing a football. Yes, you can improve and get better.

But alot of it is innate in terms of feel and creativity. Especially in terms of short game.

Although alot of short game is technique, which most amateurs aren't very skilled with around the greens. Reading lies, playing certain shots etc.

I don't think some in this thread understand what it's like to watch these guys hit balls. I agree that endless practice could lead to someone becoming an excellent putter and comparable to some pros. There's not as much room for error when you're only taking a club back 6-12 inches. Watching the pros take full swings is completely different. These guys are complete animals.

One of the first times I went to a PGA event in Ft Worth I sat at the range and watched Phil hit balls. It's a nice range, not like the ones most of us hit at. There are targeted greens that are manicured similar to the ones on the course with flags and holes on them. I watched Phil hit 15 straight 6 irons to a green that was about 185. He hit 15 different 6 irons, some low trajectory, some high lofted. He drew a few, faded a few, hit a giant hook on one of them, etc. All 15 practice shots were within 10-15 feet of the flag and he hit the stick with two of them. It's just insane.

Very few people in the world could EVER practice enough to be that talented. I just don't buy it wouldn't be easier to excel at putting than the other 13 clubs in the bag.

The best ball striker I've ever watched hit balls was probably Tiger (obviously). Adam Scott hits a nice tight draw consistently.

Watched David Toms hit wedge shots, was cool to see.

I don't know. The ball striking doesn't blow me away. Maybe I'm used to it, I play in a group with a bunch of dudes that played collegiately at a pretty high level. Their numbers are comparable to tour players.

Once you get to that high level, it's a few shots a round that make the difference. A putt here, etc.

The biggest difference IMO, between tour players and even scratch players is strategy on the golf course.

Decade Golf is something I've been into alot lately, has really helped my game.

Been down to the Florida Pan Handle and we headed home today. We're Staying at the Marriot at Capitol Hill Golf. Capitol Hill Golf is part of the RTJ Golf Trail and it's a 54-hole golf facility. It's pretty awesome. I was just going to play 9 but the lightening stopped me so I only got in 7. I've never played any other courses on the RTJ Golf Trail but I'd like to. One thing for sure is that vacation and the beach with grandkids kills my body. Getting old is hell!

Has anyone ever been to Bandon Dunes?

Scotland? No.