ROFL ROFL - Courtesy of Sean Clements - Brienne ends her arc as Doogie Howser summarizing in her diary.

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Sitting here staring at a blank TV screen like

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Succession if you want to keep your HBO sub.

Most of you know that George RR Martin and HBO we’re exploring 4 different spin offs from GOT. Looks like bloodmoon is the only one that’s going to make it to actually production.

One of those was Bryan Godman and George RR Martin working on the Arya explores what’s West of Westeros. It’s dead. George RR Martin says he doesn’t have time. Maybe after he finishes the GOT books. :eek:

Godman has moved on to producing and writing Amazon’s LOTR series.

Don’t they have a spin-off starting production in June? Based on events 1,000 years earlier?

That Cogman prequel cancellation "news" happened a month ago. As far as I know there are still three spinoffs in development, Bloodmoon and two that are in the script stage. I read an article in Hollywood Reporter talking about all three of them last week.

Bloodmoon will take a few years to keep things going before they make a movie or bring back GoT IMO.

:clap: Damn good show is Succession.

Also Ballers, its cheesy as hell but its sports, money and boobs.

Never even heard of Succession. That's what happens when they don't have Game of Thrones on for two years. I miss everything that happens in between.

Dallas, except here it's a family-owned global multimedia conglomerate and the Ewings are all conniving or deranged assholes.

So it's the Murdochs, then.

With Disney money, theme parks and cruise line.

I was wrong, 10,000 years in the past and called Bloodmoon, or as referenced in GoT.. The Long Night.

And the crew all shake their heads and think great, another decade of ****ing night shoots. LMAO

So apparently Kit Harrington had to check himself into a retreat because of how shitty the GOT ending was. It messed him up and he needs help now.

Hopefully he will get well soon. Gotta be stressful leaving a show like that when it ends.
Quote I saw from a random acct

@Kit_Haringtcn: "I feel like my heart is breaking. I love this show more than anything. It has never been a job for me. It's been my life. And this will always be the greatest thing I will ever do or be a part of." – Kit Harington on the last day of filming #GameOfThrones #TheLastWatch https://twitter.com/Kit_Haringtcn/st...196864/photo/1

That was in the documentary this past weekend, hence the #TheLastWatch.

Hey it's Black Superman! He can't be just Superman, but Black Superman! :facepalm:

It's why I don't think it can be dismissed how much this show needed to end. Maybe it ended too soon. But I imagine there's a point when people associated with the show start to get drained. This isn't a sitcom or ER when you can just write characters in and out. This is a show that has a specific end in mind.

I'm also reminded of when Jason Segel completely checked out of the last scene of how I met your mother. The series may have ended too soon, but thankfully it didn't end too late.

Because it was ending. Not because of how it ended.

Harrington's a bit of a snowflake and just an overall strange cat, it seems.

And yeah, this is more about him just being a little uncomfortable first with fame and then with uncertainty.

https://pagesix.com/2019/05/28/kit-h...ign=SocialFlow

the dude is rich with royal bloodlines stretching back 100’s of years. He’s led a privlidged life.

Rose Leslie also has some sort of royal heritage in Scotland; her family owns literal castles and has for centuries.

So yeah - not likely to have much of a grounded support system in place anywhere either...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAhKOV3nImQ

(Probably a huge QQQQQQQQ, but IDGAF)

You know what the best part about re-watching this show is?

I can skip everything involving Catelyn Stark (without Tyrion) and anything involving Daenerys (without her getting railed).

It cuts out about 20-30 minutes per episode and saves a lot of chaff.

Jesus Catelyn Stark sucks. And man I miss Rodrik Cassel.

ROFL

This is an excellent observation.

Actually, a lot of people are doing that. D&D have double-handedly, instantly, and exponentially added 58 percentage points to the opioid crisis.

FAX

The whole Mereen plot could have been told in 1/4 of the time. What did learning about the history of Mereen and the cities political complications do for the GOT story? What was the point of Doren? Same thing 1/4 of the time.


they cut out all the Iron Islands political stuff about clans/history/politics to select the new ruler. If D&D were going to skimp at the end, there was a lot of brush that could have been cleared to allow a fleshed out story to be told at the end.

Lack of support system notwithstanding....I cant handle all this fame and riches? I'm too stressed? Have to go to rehab to learn to deal with stress?


Sorry but I've got no sympathy. Every ****ing day millions of people struggle with the basics of feeding their kids and themselves.Thats "real" stress.

Sandsnake tits?

Mmmmmm.....sandsnake tits....

No way do you cut that, but those tits could have shown up in another place. Got caught in Kings Landing coming to assassinate the Mountain etc.

And miss the Bob Hope/Bing Crosby inspired hijinks of Bronn and Jaime?

We're on the rooooad to Castle Sun-speeaaarrrrrr!!!!!

That plot, from the very beginning, was always meant to be a "stall" plot in the books to give Dany something to do while the other characters caught up with her.

If you hated the length of it in the show, in the books it seems to go on forever.

I’ll take “problems I’d like to have!” For $1000, Alex

And was almost exclusively her blathering about her birthright and how much she wants to bang Daario because he's just so dreamy.

As bad as she was in the show (and she was bad), she was so much worse in the books. I started skipping her POV chapters because I just could not have possibly cared less.

They weren't as bad as the Sansa chapters. Close, but... ****, book Sansa was (is?) awful. Eventually I just started skipping all the Sansa chapters and read them once I was done with everything else.

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Were Sansa’s chapters the ones that would spend pages describing food and colors of clothing and shit? Or was that Catelyn?

Does it matter? They were both shit.

100’s of pages. :shake:

Well, that was pretty much all of them. The only difference is that chapters about Jon, Arya and Tyrion were backed up by interesting characters.

IIRC, since it's been eight ****ing years since I read the last book (**** you Martin), book Sansa is still in the Eyrie, and all the shit that happened to her in Winterfell is happening to a minor character who has been passed off by the Boltons as Arya. Sansa is still just a weepy, whiny do-nothing.

Ned should have spared the direwolf and killed her.

Rewatching the series there is a lot of shit that could easily be cut out of each season.

Like what?

Anything involving Dorne after Oberyn getting his head crushed was pointless.

All of the intrigue about the Iron Bank was pointless.

This.

Every character gave us pages of descriptions of food, clothing, armor, room decorations. On and on. Like Southpark's portrayal of GRRM as penis fixated, dude goes on some serious tangents.

At least I think he did. I was a much younger man the last time he put out a new book in the series.

This might be unpopular, but I think he's a pretty hack writer.

In what sense?

The Dune comparisons should be even more apparent if Season 8 was as faithful as could be to his outline.

Well, Martin did flat out steal Duke Leto and rebrand him as Ned Stark.

As far as the books go, though, Dune started going downhill immediately, whereas Martin's books stayed consistent through the third one (the fourth and fifth dropped off quite a bit). The Dune books got so ****ing weird that they became unreadable - turning the hero into some whacked out religious Hitler was probably not the best direction to take the series. I tried off and on, without success, to get through God Emperor of Dune for 30 years before I finally just gave up. Frank Herbert was the M. Night Shyamalan of science fiction - he wrote one of the greatest masterpieces of all time and then slowly coasted into the shitter.

I did enjoy the follow-up books set in the Dune universe written by Herbert's son, though.

I like this alternate ending...

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LMAO

Those books by his kid and Kevin J. Anderson were some of the worst books I've ever read. They're immeasurably worse than Lynch's movie. Just god awful.

The first 3 Dune books are pretty great, although nothing matches up with the first one. They get progressively more difficult to digest after that. I agree with you on God Emperor. It was one of my first real "wtf is this shit" experiences as a teen. Although I haven't tried in at least ten years, so my perspective may be different now.

Meh. I liked them. You suck. :harumph:

Anyone know when they’re releasing to DVD?

You suck too. :harumph:

I've only read Dune so I don't have an opinion about the sequels. I just had to post that since I thought it was funny when I was a middle schooler.

Yeah, that was pretty funny. :D

As I've said before, Dune was great, and is my favorite book of all time. The stuff written by his son and Anderson obviously don't compare to that. But they do compare to the follow-up novels in the original series.

For me it's kind of like Brandon Sanderson trying to finish the Wheel of Time: the voice is so drastically different from the original, that it just becomes something else entirely. To the point that it just doesn't work for me. I can't read it.

And Sanderson is a much, much better writer than Kevin J. Anderson.

The only thing 'Dune' about any of those prequel books were the character and planet names. It was basically fan fiction before fan fiction was a thing. Which isn't a surprise since Anderson made his name writing EU Star Wars novels

Looking at things in a vacuum, I think Sanderson may have been able to tie up the series better than Jordan would have been able to due to the quality of Jordan's last WOT works (there was a lot of meandering to get through). While the voice was different, being able to tie up the series and the loose ends like Sanderson did radically exceeded my expectations, even if the voice and style were radically different in the works before.

This example is why I don't think GRRM will realistically be able to finish ASOIAF in only two more books. I think someone writing at the pace of Brandon Sanderson (and the pace of Storm of Swords) could, but I just don't think Martin is at the place in his own universe anymore. I think realistically (the r/asoiaf subreddit calculated over 200 ongoing subplots still going on at the end of Dance), if the ASOIAF is brought to a finish, GRRM is going to need an eighth book to tie it all together.

Those books were based on Herbert's notes, so I'd say they were less fan fiction and more what Benioff and Weiss did to GoT after they ran out of actual book material.

I certainly enjoyed the "House" books the most, primarily because they dealt with familiar characters from the first book.

I enjoyed the House books as well. Anderson is an adequate writer. The original series by Herbert wasn't great outside the first and last books anyway. A ton of nostalgia because of the greatness of the first book gets transferred to the series as a whole.

I never read the fifth and sixth books because I so utterly despised the fourth. I'm told they're much better. I don't care.

I nearly quit after 4 as well. 5 was ok as I recall. Probably some bias towards being better than it was because of how bad 4 was. 6 is pretty outstanding. It's been long enough now since I read them, that I can't remember if you really need to read 5 to get 6.

Gotta combine books 4 and 5 into a single book.

Download 'ball of beasts' and read them all chronologically and suddenly those books don't suck nearly as badly.

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Now that would be cool. Redo the whole season....

Snyder cut showed it can be done. It’s an entirely different movie. Everything from episode 3 on should be redone in 10 episodes so it doesn’t feel like a bunch of boxes being ticked off. Biggest change I would make is having the fight at Winterfell be a diversion and get an epic battle between life and death at Kings Landing.

Small changes would also be hugely helpful.

Give Jon a one v. one against the Night King with Ghost jumping in to fight alongside Jon. Make it awesome. Have him and Ghost get their asses kicked. Don't even care if Arya still delivers a final blow.

Have Bran warg into Rheagal to take out Viscerion. Have Rheagal die in Winterfell instead of by discount Jack Sparrow.

Have Dany kill Jaime (avenging her father) and burn Cersei in the map room by Dragonfire (which was the plan in S7 until D&D got the "brilliant" idea to die via brick). Let the audience see Dany's POV during the burning of KL.

Have Arya mercy-kill Cersei (like she refused to do with Sandor in S4) in the map room.

You don't have to make these exact changes -- but little things like this could go such a long way to making memorable moments happen in Season 8 even if the outcomes are similar.

Or do none of it. Zero clue why HBO wouldn't do this. The excitement would be off the charts.

Assuming GRRM would go along with any of it . . . He can't even be bothered to write/finish his creation.

Well, honestly EVERYTHING released by GRRM indicates that this was his ending... and I think that might be the problem with "re-doing" Season 8. Will the audience even care if we get the same outcome? I think changes like this could make the ending hit better (though I have zero clue how they'll make the Bran reveal not look like ****ing comedy). GRRM has maintained a great relationship with HBO (even singing a new deal... he's never finishing the books, is he?)

Tbh. If Jon was crowned in the second dragonpit and negotiated the peace in Westeros before then giving up his crown and choosing to go North, that would give him the agency he literally never had in S8. Just stuff like this could make the ending better - but would it be worth HBO dropping 100m if the fans are still mad? Idk. You could even throw a lazy explanation that the spirals the WW use mean they are "always in Westeros" and that the baby we saw in S4 will be the new NK. Jon could choose to go looking for that WW palace we saw in S4 for the rest of his life with Tormund, fulfilling Alliser's prophecy for Jon in S6.

Idk. It just feels like there's a way to make S8 so much better even if it has largely the same outcomes. Maybe I'm wrong.

Even if HBO went that route, they would probably find it extremely difficult to get the actors to return to portray their characters. I mean, they portrayed some of these characters for a LONG time. Most have probably accepted the ending for what it was and moved on. Plus with how many characters the story revolved around...

Prior to the beginning of Season 8, I posted about a spoiler video I saw on YouTube. Unfortunately, at the time I deliberately did not include a link, and now I have no idea how to find it.

It was completely wrong, of course, but so much better. I don't remember most of the details, but basically Jon got Dany pregnant, and she died in childbirth. Jon and most of the major characters were killed in the final battle at Kings Landing (I think by green fire shit), but the Night King and Cersei were defeated. In the end, Tyrion ended up being the regent/hand of the king to the baby, who was being raised and cared for by the good characters who survived. The final scene would have been Tyrion reading to child, who was now older, about the heroic exploits of his parents.

Sounds so much better than the shit we got for real.

Literally ANYTHING would be better than what we got.

Any number of endings would have been better than the shit that was the last season. It's never going to get rebooted, though. I can't imagine that the actors/actresses would all sign up to do this again. It could have been stupidly great, it was by far the best TV show I've ever watched. Even though I wasn't happy with the way it ended, I still miss having a show like this that made me excited for Sunday nights.

Most shows by the 8th season have already milked the cow's tit to look like an empty tube of Colgate. In GoT it felt like they rushed the hell out of the ending.

Season 8 was so bad it actually ruined re-watching GoT for me. I've not even had an inkling to do so. Most series that I really love I'll watch over and over, and with GoT, I just know how the end is going to be so ****ing bad that it pretty much ruins all of the awesomeness that led up to it.

Such a tragic piece of shit. It still makes me mad...

Oh, there's no doubt. I've outlined my thoughts somewhere in this thread on it. They just threw it together haphazardly and it's so disappointing that I actually wish the had never done it and just left us hanging. Yes, it's that bad IMO.