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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One of the biggest and best offensive tackles in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFLDraft?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFLDraft</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/UHCougarFB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@UHCougarFB</a> offensive tackle Patrick Paul <a href="https://twitter.com/PatrickPaul_76?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PatrickPaul_76</a> official measurements: 6-foot-7 4/8, 331, 36.25 arms, 9 3/8 hands, 86.25 wingspan <a href="https://twitter.com/KPRC2?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KPRC2</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFLCombine2024?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFLCombine2024</a></p>&mdash; Aaron Wilson (@AaronWilson_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1764361239860248793?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 3, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'd love to come out of the draft with a LT of the future. I do feel like there were a number of times that PM2 had plenty of time in the pocket and just couldn't find anywhere to go with the ball, so I'd also love a WR who can consistently create separation. That's not too much to ask, right?

How is his combine “measurement” compared to Chris Jones’s?

Asking for Billay.

I get it, but PFF grades mean nothing. I am not one of those who likes it when it’s positive for a Chiefs player and against it when it’s negative. I take their evaluations with a grain of salt. Taylor got better as the season progressed and the NFL stopped directly targeting him.

I would be curious who. KC was fortunate that Smith who needed a rebound season was available.

Just grab your top guy at position or need WR /OT/DT if we lose Jones it migh be DT if someone falls sick n e it looks like we can add WR as good ir. Enter than round in RD 2

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Such a stupid rule change if it passes.

There's one of two things that will happen for us this draft:

1) One of the elite WR falls to us
2) There is a run of receivers in the first and a talent that is usually drafted in the 11-20 range falls to us at 32

This draft couldn't be set up any better for us to grab a player we typically don't available at the end of the first.

Mekhi Becton

Was this a problem or something? Too many people just onside kicking it and winning Bowls

Hopefully we don't go off the board and take a WR of lesser talent at the end of the 1st.

Don't want a CEH this year.

CEH wasn’t a good pick, but I don’t disagree with the philosophy behind it.

The Chiefs zigged when the rest of the league zagged.

They picked their highest rated player at a position of need when no other team picked that same position. They were able to have their pick of any RB.

Now clearly, the Chiefs failed in their evaluation of that player somewhere (or maybe the injuries just ruined what could have been), but I don’t blame the Chiefs for their thought process on that pick.

Was just dumb.

If you want a polished system fit RB do that at the end of the 2nd or beginning go the 3rd.


And let players like Michael Pittman, Tee Higgins, DeAndre Swift, and Jonathan Taylor go by them.

Look at Pittman and Higgins value now.

The pick itself was bad. No defending that part.

I’m just talking about the philosophy behind it. Jonathan Taylor was the clear top running back and would’ve been a Homerun in hindsight.

The Chiefs failed in their evaluation of the running backs, but not their philosophy in taking one.

And I normally hate first round running backs.

You don't just take a RB in round 1.

You only take a RB if you think you have a Breece Hall or something there.

CEH they said reminded them of Brian Westbrook.



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I didn't hate CEH, actually liked him that draft but there were 3 obvious guys ahead:

I had

Swift(valued the catching so I put him ahead of Taylor for KC)
Taylor
Dobbs


then CEH

I’ll always kinda wonder how CEHs career would have gone if he never gets hurt against the Saints.

He was looking like a weapon.

He didn't have the same stop-start burst after that hip injury, I don't think.

But I think his lack of size AND his inability to outrun LB at this level really mitigated his ability as a receiving back at the NFL level. He was so deadly on angle routes and wheels in college, but it just didn't translate.

I was a Swift guy going into that draft. Still think that would have worked out a little better, though I don't know that it really changes much over the past 4 years.

WTF? Yeah, Larry Allen was a BEAST but if I had to pick between Allen and Jerry Rice, I am taking Rice.

If I had to pick between Allen and Randy Moss, I take Moss.

Our QB is Patrick Mahomes. He rarely gets sacked because he has elite pocket awareness. A good to good LT and an elite WR is definitely better than a elite tackle and good WR.

I am not saying that I don't want a stud at LT, but Mahomes isn't Brady. If Brady was our QB, yeah, take the elite tackle.

Yeah, it's nice having a great LT but its kind of overkill with Mahomes.

Just needs someone that will not get beat immediately and that's enough.


Rather have the Elite weapons that get open as Mahomes can create.

What!?

To be fair, he was playing with a broken hand in that game. His hands may not be elite, but they are not as bad as they looked on those two drops.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From the Senior Bowl to the Combine, Ricky Pearsall has caught everything thrown his direction. Has aced the pre-draft process. One of my favorite Day 2 WRs in the draft. <br><br>Full Recap➡️: <a href="https://t.co/Tmqg7bUs2M">https://t.co/Tmqg7bUs2M</a> <a href="https://t.co/xPlL6z9P5f">pic.twitter.com/xPlL6z9P5f</a></p>&mdash; Jordan Reid (@Jordan_Reid) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jordan_Reid/status/1764089609976209784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 3, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Clay is right. LT comes first. There are good WR’s that come out every year. You’ve seen a George Pickens outside of the first rd. Dell, Rice, Nacua and Reed weren’t first rd picks.

It’s way harder to find a LT long term. If there’s one in play in the 1st rd you take them without blinking

Yeah...like who? Who is this starting LT that we're going to get at the bottom of the first round?

Successful tackles are usually a first half of the first round pick.

WR picks have success in the first couple rounds.

Picking at 32 isn't remotely conducive to finding the LT of the future.

Most tackles taken at the end of the first/second...end up being RT's.

It has to be addressed and hoping for a Donovan Smith to be sitting there in FA waiting for KC to sign so he can rebuild his value is not a feasible long term strategy.

But, it’s an unusually good tackle class. Worthy may have just pushed one down a spot. Ideally you do it just like last year.

There's no elite LT at 32, there's maybe a few guys with significant questions attached to them, and that will need time, a luxury you don't really have with that position. If we have a reasonable shot at a Franklin, Worthy or Mitchell we should take it.

If you want a starting LT you're talking about trading into the top 15.

After watching the entire Combine, you gotta think the Chiefs have Jalyx Hunt circled on their wants list.

What would it take to get him? A 3rd? A 4th?

No you don't.

Someone has to drop.

There are 4, maybe 5, maybe even 6 QBs that get taken in the first round.

At least five and as many as 8 WRs (Harrison, Nabers, Odunze, Thomas, Mitchell, Worthy, McConkey, Franklin, Coleman).

4-5 CBs (McKinstry, DeJean, Arnold, Wiggins, Mitchell, Fakestraw, Lassiter)

At least 3 OTs (Fashanu, Alt, Mims)

Brock Bowers

That’s, at minimum, 18 players and up to 22 players and we haven’t even touched DE, DT, LB, S, or IOl.

And with guys like Fautanu and Suamaitaia and Guyton and Fuaga, there will be options at T. Or, if all those guys go, options at WR.

It’s a good draft and a deep draft, especially at the positions the Chiefs need most. It’s also a good and deep draft at the positions the chiefs need least (QB, CB).

If you want a day 1 guy...yeah.

If Bowers starts to slide into the mid teens...I'd be awfully curious about trading up for him...

First time I really watched a lot of the combine and thought it was done very well on NFL Network.

Some pretty good stuff. I was most amazed by the wingspan of the Georgia player. Guy can flap his arms and fly.

McConkey's kid looked good.

Some real physical specimens and even some of the non-glory QBs performed well.

Chiefs don't currently have the ammo to trade up

They will after the Sneed trade...

Any draft that has 4-6 QBs that could go in the first round is good for us. Players who typically wouldn't make it to the end of the first will be there for us.

We're going to get a quality player at the end of the first. I'm leaning towards not taking a WR in one, unless someone we really love falls to us. I think there's some good quality that will be there for us in the second.

At the end of the day KC needs a long term solution at LT. They can’t keep bringing in rentals to do it. It is fascinating to read that there are no franchise LTs at the end of the first round so pass on them. Then suggesting that the current solution to the LT problem is to either move a career RT to LT or plug a 3rd rounder there (who isn’t elite due to where he was drafted).

Mahomes is great, but the Christmas Day game against the Raiders should show that despite how good he is, he still needs protection especially on his blind side.

KC can and will upgrade at WR this year through the draft and FA. That’s a position that will upgrade easier than LT.

You're probably gonna have to develop one, trade for one, or trade up.

Just keep taking toolsy guys in the mid rounds and see what happens.

Trading for an established LT will be tough without giving up the farm for. Trading up might be possible depending on what they get for Sneed. I would much rather them trade up for a LT and develop him with Morris being a swing tackle as a backup.

Bills met with WR more than any group at the combine. Yeah they’re definitely going to draft one in the 1st

I would say this is the draft to move into the 20s to get one. We're going to be picking at 28+ it seems for the foreseeable future. Might as well get one now and cost controlled. Then you have the two positions that are normally top 15 or bust, QB and LT. Normally its a top 15 type pick. This year you may luck out with a top 25 pick for that kind of talent. We've proven two years in a row that we don't have to have a top 5 wr to win. Sign one solid free agent and draft a guy in the second.

We need depth as well I would keep all our pick we had so many rookie starts last few years we are going to lose a bunch of guys. NExt few years

This is a really good article about why the 40 yard dash should not be the standard at the combine. It doesn’t tell the whole story..

Cooper Kupp and Kyle Hamilton also guys that ran poor 40 yard dash but had really good play speed via GPS. Kupp got a 20 mph on the gun and Hamilton got 21.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...oming-obsolete

The thing with LT is that it's just not likely a guy without holes is gonna fall. LT is one spot, similar to DE, that the league has figured out for the most part what to look for.

So you're just gonna have to keep cobbling things together best you can.

This is a Keon Coleman post :D

Keon Coleman does nothing for me. No thanks.

Declare it in advance? That sucks.

Troy Franklin too. Guys aren’t running go routes all game. He may be a build up speed guy but he still clocked 20 mph.

He should absolutely be in play here

Guys that build up speed just aren't what Andy and company (right or wrong) look for in WR's.

All the more reason to draft him!

Yup. They need to put this in the combine tracking results

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Player tracking data unlocks the ability to move beyond the forty yard dash and better approximate game speed.<br><br>Puka Nacua reached the fastest speed of any wide receiver during last combine&#39;s gauntlet drill at 20.06 mph.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFLCombine?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFLCombine</a> x <a href="https://twitter.com/nflnetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nflnetwork</a> <a href="https://t.co/BRu8rjo4eA">pic.twitter.com/BRu8rjo4eA</a></p>&mdash; Next Gen Stats (@NextGenStats) <a href="https://twitter.com/NextGenStats/status/1764037473405947986?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I think Tesla acceleration, not Lamborghini top speed, is more valuable. Especially in our offense.

Why is Bo Nix so far down on QB draft boards? Think he's better than JJ McCarthy. I know this because I've watched about 2 or 3 quarters all year of Michigan and Oregon football and I looked at his ESPN player card online. Expert at this I tell you.

And who was this year's fastest?

Keon ****ing Coleman.

I think that's the wrong way to look at things.

Instead, look at it as, "What thing does this player do that's SPECIAL, how special is it, and how can we utilize that special thing?"

I think that's how the Chiefs view things, rather than "we dont like this kind of guy or won't draft that kind of guy etc" .

Yeah I like this gauntlet drill. I'd put those results way way way ahead of the 40 yard dash. It's a better predictor of football speed.

If Keon is the top of that, he would be towards the top of my list.

I want football players. As the great Kenny Powers said, I play real sports, not trying to be the best at working out.

Keep cobbling, pay someone big, trade for someone or use this advantageous draft to get a guy with traits you can bet on. I'd take a hard look at Mims and Guyton if they are there.

Keon looks very very smooth in his drills for a guy his size.

You'd probably have to get to 17or 18.
I dunno what that would cost.

Assuming Thomas Jr., Worthy, and Mitchell are gone, I'd be happy with him at 32.

@Ocity. This is where im coming from when i say in the 20s. Theres still several edge rushers, at least one DT and 1 IOL in the first round scrum every year. This is our absolute best chance imo to get the most for the least. Obviously you would have to wait and see how the board falls but I think it would look as favorable as it ever will.

Spags gonna draft another corner in the mid rds LMAO

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2024/3...jr-jj-mccarthy

Mike Sainristil, is the guy that I believe Jalen McMillian said he hated playing most of any CB, said dude was calling out their offensive plays before the snap.

Some team is gonna trade a ****ing haul for JJ McCarthy and I pray to God it’s the Broncos.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;I had a very smart GM tell me 1-2-3-4&quot; for QBs in the 2024 NFL Draft<br><br>- <a href="https://twitter.com/DMRussini?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DMRussini</a> <a href="https://t.co/zp5tPYI9jk">https://t.co/zp5tPYI9jk</a> <a href="https://t.co/mcXCWqW8lI">pic.twitter.com/mcXCWqW8lI</a></p>&mdash; Josh Norris (@JoshNorris) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshNorris/status/1764690614375845943?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 4, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If Bowers somehow dropped to 17,18 range, we gotta somehow move up to grab. Getting Kelce's replacement for him to groom and play along side for the next 2-3 years is an awesome thought!

If he fell past 12 or 13, I'd seriously start considering it then....

I think that's accurate.

Nobody wants #32, or multiple #30+ picks.

No way I'm trading that high for a tight end.

Harrison drops to the chargers? Great

I don't see the Cardinals trading back. They already have a shit ton of picks, and they already passed up on top talent to trade down last year.

If anything, the Chargers will trade back from 5 with a team that's looking for a QB. Much more likely.

And there’s no way they’re gonna trade with Denver, especially if the QB they want is Harbaugh’s college QB. Perfect LMAO

I feel so racist for saying this, so I want to apologize to anyone this may offend, but...

I think the Raiders are going to draft Michael Penix Jr. because he wore a durag during his throwing session. That is the most Raiders thing I have seen at the combine.

I feel like Antonio Pierce was watching from the stands, and probably thinks Penix Jr. is a "real one" and exactly what the Raiders need.

The only thing they could do that would be more Raidery than drafting Penix Jr. at 13 is drafting Xavier Worthy at 13.

Yeah, they aren't. The Cardinals are completely void of talent and will be staring right at a generational talent at WR.

Ain't no way.

Smh why are people so fecking ignorant on this forum? Ugh :rolleyes:

I’d love it if a QB fell to our spot.

When Lamar Jackson fell to 32, the Ravens gave up 52, 125, and their 2nd round pick the following year for 32 and 132.

I wouldn’t hate comp similar to that in this draft. A second rounder in 2025 could be a top 45 pick depending on who we trade with (if they need a QB, then it’s probably a bad team).