Again, Gruden was not targeted, but during the WFT investigation those e-mails came up. People need to understand that there is a difference between a head coach and a football player. As a head coach you are the leader of the football team, the moral compass, you need to live by the rules that you preach and are given to you. The NFL has principles and despite the fact that those e-mails are years old, there is doubt, whether Gruden really is who he pretends to be. We are not talking about 1-3 e-mails in 2011, plus those e-mails are from different years, so who knows what kind of conversations and e-mails he had during the last 3-4 years. As far as I see it Mark Davis wanted to stick with Gruden, but the NFL indicated to him that he needs to take action otherwise more e-mails will come out, potentially damaging the Raiders organizations as well as other people. I'm curious whether this could really lead to a Harvey Weinstein situation, in which suddenly a lot of people within this business are starting to get cold feet...

strategic use of passive voice, belied by your subsequent concession of active intent.

As the creator of one of the most popular threads on here ranking and objectifying women, I'd say my non- PC credentials are solid. But this is a internet forum.

He's an idiot putting that shit in an email. Never in a million years would I think to send something like that through work email.

Ordering people under you to pose topless, write something racist or homophobic in an email. That's definitely a fireable offense for being so stupid.

I think people are making some conclusory leaps that aren't merited at present.

The best we know is that these exchanges were gleaned from review of communication traffic of Washington Redskin personnel.

We don't anything about when, where or how Gruden SENT those communications, just who received them.

He's not shit without Reid and Mahomes, and that's why no one else has hired him.

He's perfect for the Raiders, y'all can have him.

The Today show said that Gruden even exchanged emails of half naked cheerleaders...but no mention of Snyder in their report on the subject...and it was the lead story

"I want to round up all the enablers." ~sometalkinghead

Now they want to go after everyone he sent an email to and judge how they responded to his comments.



There's no way we ship them EB after this shit storm.

lol about the whole thing

lmao about the resignation

this is why you hire a coach that is obese and not horny. Reid isn't going to get caught sending nudes through email

LMAO

How in **** did you come up with this?

From my understanding he didn't do this in a work email and wasn't even employed by the league at the time, which is why the NFL couldn't do anything about it and basically started blackmailing the Raiders to do it for them.

Gruden is an idiot for saying these things by email, but the outrage over using words like queer when the message was talking about the league forcing the rams to do it, calling someone dumb with big lips, and the commissioner an anti football pussy is a bit laughable. I understand why he was fired. But I don't see anything that suggests he is an actual racist or against gay people.

That was the WFT GM that did that. Gruden was the recipient. Can we really blame him for the WFT GM forcing his cheerleader to pose half naked and then sending it to Gruden?

The Redskins got busted for doing this with their cheerleaders and apparently Allen shared the topless photos with Gruden.

This is accurate.

To clarify to those still behind the curve somehow-

He didn't get into that much hot water over the email from 10 years ago, they found many many more emails dating all the way up to 2018 when he was coaching the Raiders.

He called Goodell (who has a gay brother) a pillowbiter and complained about the NFL pushing to draft Michael Sam and he also bitched about women refs and the pussification of the league.

I can imagine there is a lot more they are not letting out yet and that's how they leveraged him to resign.

There are no reports of any of these emails being sent when Gruden was an employee of the Raiders, the reports I have read specifically say "before he was hired by the Raiders." It is in fact possible for him to send an email dated 2018 before he was hired. Theres a reason why the league was handcuffed and needed the Raiders to get rid of him.

So media is placing blame on Gruden for receiving topless pics that he likely had no idea were coerced.

99% of the time the context is such that the person is not being racist and instead is being accused of it by someone looking to be a victim and discredit the person.

Its the anti racist while being a racist movement.

Whats more racist? Saying someone has big lips or the Rooney Rule.

Knock on a bundle of sticks if you're with me

Let's not get carried away. It's still the faid

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

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Grudens stupid prize was somewhere between 40 and 100 million dollars.

Nooooooooooooooooo!

That is because Dan Snyder (along with the Davis family, too, surprise surprise) is a member of a privileged tribe that also happens to control the media itself.

Found the Prison Bitch mult ^

What would America's unemployment rate be if everyone who called Roger Goodell a pillowbiter lost their jobs?

https://i.imgur.com/uASI8KD.jpg

Yikes.

I'm just reporting what happened.

This is all to paint a total narrative. Gruden had pics of topless NFL cheerleaders but he didn't like women refs in the sport = misogynist.

Gruden calling Goodell a bundle of sticks and complaining about the NFL drafting queers = Homophobe

You are exactly what is wrong with society today.

So you really think the emails stopped Jan 7th 2018? Maybe I guess.

I have no reason to believe thats not the case. Why else would the NFL need to blackmail the Raiders to fire someone for them?

Maybe Gruden, like the rest of us, understands you dont send these emails through your work email.

There is no actual evidence this is what happened, you know that right?

The truth is the NFL didn't want to have to get involved, its way easier to let the team do it because if the NFL sets precedent here then it gets way more complicated long term.

What? If the NFL fires someone for what any employer would fire an employee over makes things complicated? Interesting.

Help me out here, what authority does the NFL have over coaches? They don't work for the NFL they work for the team. They aren't part of the NFPA so they aren't collectively bargained etc...

I think the idea the NFL can fire a coach is completely wrong, the team has to do it.

They can absolutely suspend whoever the **** they want. Under certain circumstances they can even force an owner to sell his/her team.

They have already handed out 2 indefinite suspensions to coaches.

You need to rethink your thought.

Ughhhh now the Raiders might become competent again :(

Just remember that Mark Davis and mayock still run things.

Guys! Guys! Were you aware that I created the girly thread!?! LOOK AT ME!!!!

Jeezz…prepare yourselves for day long discussions about white people running things and being racists.

Mayock may prove to be a better GM without Gruden around insisting on drafting Gruden Grinder types.

Mayock will likely be much better without Gruden around.

So much for privacy and the first amendment! Someone had it out for him to go digging thru emails a decade ago. It’s a beautiful world we live in! For you, for you, for you…….not me-Devolution is real! I think Tom Cable should be the HC. He should have never been replaced

You don't think it's just a little strange that with all that's breaking on this story, Snyder is the back of the story? There's an owner privilege thing at play here where they operate above the rules after decades of bragging about "the shield" . Like when Jim irsay and Snyder slide under the radar while everyone underneath them gets thrown under a bus.

But it sure seems like the nfl is trying to sweep something under the rug here, doesn't it? I mean, after suspending players over tiny offenses, Snyder and Watson go completely untouched. Almost as if there's fear that acknowledging the problem will open up pandoras box.

Until Snyder gets implicated, there's something that feels really fishy in all of this.

From a pure football standpoint, as a Chiefs fan, this is bad news.

I liked Gruden exactly where he was. Unfireable for the rest of his 10 year contract, slowly collapsing his rebuilt roster like an utter dingus.

1A doesn't apply.

didn’t Jon Gruden talk **** about Robert Krafts good buddy Roger Goodall in one of those emails?

There’s no way in hell they will given the backlash regarding Gruden and Bienemy’s past.

He didn't get fired. He resigned.

I don't know if he'd resign over this without sniff testing it first. If urban can survive, gruden could have easily survived this. Let's not rule out the idea that there could be something way worse under the surface.

There’s also the fact that Gruden pretty much blatantly lied Friday and there’s likely much worse communications that we’ll never know about.

Based off of what?

That's my sense. I just can't see him abruptly resigning like this if there wasn't something more. It sure seems like he's trying to get ahead of something and I'm not sure what was leaked is bad enough to create that kind of panic.

No where to go but up.

Oh no, they have not hit rock bottom. lol

Gruden might have wanted out anyway. He made a shitload of money, probably got a buyout on the remainder of his contract.


Time to kick up his feet and retire.

Yeah, they pretty much bombed all their high draft picks since Gruden arrived.

Later round picks have been great.

Which ones do you think Gruden was forcing?

They do have authority over the coaches, remember Sean Payton being suspended for a year or fines to other coaches? If this happened when he was a coach of the Raiders they would have dumped him on their own.

And just remember people, if these emails would have come out when he was working at ESPN on MNF ESPN would have fired him immediately and he never would have been in the NFL to begin with.

I think the 1st round receiver and AB were forced by Gruden.

After that, I think a lot of it is on Mayock. He had some very questionable rankings when he was still on NFL Network, so it was definitely a question I raised when he was originally hired.

Would bet the shit like Ferrell #4 overall, Arnette in the first and probably Leatherwood were all Mayock ideas.

This is surprising....

Deuce Gruden, son of Jon Gruden, will remain on Raiders staff after dad's resignation

On Monday night, ESPN's Adam Schefter reported that Deuce Gruden, son of Jon Gruden, remains with the Raiders in his role of assistant strength and conditioning coach.

Certainly, this is an uncomfortable spot for the younger Gruden to be in. He previously worked for his uncle Jay Gruden while he was on the hot seat, but he was already with Las Vegas when his uncle was fired during the 2019 season. Now, he is in the midst of team and family drama following his father's resignation.

Nonetheless, it appears for the moment that he's willing to stick around and continue working for the Raiders.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/...41p7utuldjcpb3

That name. Why?

Not entirely true. Eric Bieniemy has a job.

Plz

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs OC Eric Bieniemy and Bills OC Brian Daboll are the favorites to become the Raiders head coach, per BetOnline <a href="https://t.co/lPHk1Bbz0U">pic.twitter.com/lPHk1Bbz0U</a></p>&mdash; Nick Veronica (@NickVeronica) <a href="https://twitter.com/NickVeronica/status/1447951200272400391?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Have to get those steroid funds from somewhere, right?

https://i.imgur.com/0Nek0hk.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/X5QFjQN.jpg

God yes. Please sign Bienemy and give us those picks. We’ll even trade you CEH.

Well he’ll be able to actually do his damn job and make decisions for once.

That might backfire on him, but it could also be a good thing for the team.

Daboll LMAO

Daboll would be my preferred choice from that list. Probably means there is no way in hell it happens.

Losing EB would be addition by subtraction... Andy needs an infusion of new ideas on his coaching staff.

Even if it is just re-shuffling existing guys to new roles... i.e. promoting Kafka to OC.

Please Raiders. Be the ones to give us our comp 3rd

keyshawn owning him

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“He’s just always been a fraud to me…from day one he’s been a used car salesman and people bought it.”<a href="https://twitter.com/keyshawn?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@keyshawn</a> reacts to Jon Gruden’s resignation from the Raiders. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KJM?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KJM</a> <a href="https://t.co/iVu7vlJCjk">pic.twitter.com/iVu7vlJCjk</a></p>&mdash; Keyshawn, JWill &amp; Max (@KeyJayandMax) <a href="https://twitter.com/KeyJayandMax/status/1447881904724787203?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah, Gruden's a fraud because he "inherited a championship team built by Tony Dungy."


A championship team that Tony Dungy never managed to win a championship with. Makes perfect sense.

Keyshawn getting a little chunky.

Keyshawn has always hated Gruden because Gruden saw him for what he was.

Keyshawn has been waiting 20 years for this opportunity to unload on Gruden.

I mean he got the perfect situation. He inherited an elite team and then faced his former team that for some reason still used his plays and audibles. He played that Superbowl on easy mode. And then once he had to start getting his own players and system in place, the whole team fell apart and he had a losing record the rest of his time there.

Keyshawn not realizing he is also a used car salesman is funny.

All TV personalities are.

IDK, Jerry Richardson was kinda forced to sell Panthers for similar workplace claims. I suppose Richardson’s surviving son did not want to inherit team and that was a factor in Richardson being agreeable to selling.

Snyder could get a Donald Sterling windfall selling that team if the investigation shows he was directly involved in some rotten behavior.

Will the league allow players to put “**** Jon” on the back of their helmets for next weekend’s games?