Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14265485)

Yes. Especially that ONLY Euron arrives on that particular shore at just the right time to fight Jaime. One more Ironborn shows up and it's not much of a fight.

Meh, whatever. Wasnt' a bad fight. It's a TV show. Lots more that's stupider to bitch about.

Maybe someone raised this earlier, but WHERE THE ACTUAL **** did all those Dothraki and Unsullied come from?! Was there another set of armies that weren't at Winterfell that we were ever mentioned?

I would've thought a more logical explanation would be that the men of the North that were south of Winterfell had been heading south to get away from the Army of the Dead and they formed up with men from the Riverlands, the Vale, Dorne, the Reach and maybe even Highgarden to form a new army. Instead, it appears to be the same freaking army that I thought had been wiped out at Wintefell.

Did I miss something somewhere along the way explaining this?

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 14265535)

However, I truly wish they used what little of the time code they had at the end of a truncated Season 7 to giving Dany more development in this regard if this was her outcome.

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 14265706)

My advice is that you read a book about WW2 and not derive your knowledge of history from social media.

FAX

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 14265724)

Then it would not be a surprise and there'd be no drama. It would be too expected. This series has been full of such twists and surprises.
There were always some seeds. I saw them more becoming more obvious at the start of this season and I wondered that she just might burn the place down but was never certain. That uncertainty created the tension of would she, or won't she for me. This hasn't been one of those happily ever after fairy tales.

Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 14265659)

I read somewhere else last night that it was the fictional equivalent of Hiroshima being nuked and then the Allied powers being like nahhhh do it again...

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14265718)

That I completely agree with.

B&W tried to ramp up the threat of the scorpions to heighten the impact of 'Shock and Awe Drogon' and in so doing they overplayed their hand something awful. I think they were also trying to have a more visceral death play out in front of Dany to give her all the more reason to flip shit.

Just another sacrifice at the alter of making Dany's heel turn more understandable - none of which would've been necessary had we been able to see in her own head.

But like you, I think this is just becoming an unnecessary pile-on born of being unwilling to view episodes for their own merit. We have people doubling back on decisions they hated and citing them as reasons not to do things in the story that, on their face, should be LIKED.

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 14265750)

When the second dragon was killed, it was largely due to surprise as it was unknown that Euron's fleet was there behind that rock formation. ( I thought it was dumb Dany didn't know that and questioned the lack of reconnaissance ? If that was her doing reconnaissance, why her?) So Dany was unable to maneuver her dragons well enough. I don't remember if anyone was riding the other dragon that got shot. I don't seem to recall that.

It looked to me that Dany figured out how to maneuver her last dragon around the fleet in the final battle. So when she turned her dragon up and around, it took Euron's men too long to maneuver their large bows into position to get a fair shot at it. That was one thing those huge bows could not do quickly enough.

Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 14265749)

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14265757)

Yes. We all know that Euron took Daenerys by surprise by hiding behind some giant rocks. The problem comes from that being completely ****ing ridiculous for multiple reasons.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14265744)

Guilty as charged. In a vacuum, episode 5 was pretty damn awesome. Unfortunately, they completely botched the full heel turn so it was just watching Daenerys burn people for an hour and characters meeting up for fayed duels to the death. Still entertaining, but it could've been better.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14265757)

Yes. We all know that Euron took Daenerys by surprise by hiding behind some giant rocks. The problem comes from that being completely ****ing ridiculous for multiple reasons.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14265775)

Would've been much better off if Scorpions were never introduced.

Have Cersei acknowledge that she's well and truly ****ed if Daenerys comes with her dragons, so she plans to hide amongst the innocent.

Have undead Viserion kill Rhaegal so that the Night King killed 2 dragons, establishing him as the greatest threat.

Have Daenerys get butthurt because she lost 2 children fighting a war that wasn't hers to start with and everyone still loves Jon more.

Have Daenerys destroy Kings Landing and kill hundreds of thousands of Innocents trying to take out Cersei, despite everything begging her not to.

Now Varys and friends have a damn good reason for wanting to betray her, and she well and truly snaps when she finds out.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14265775)

Would've been much better off if Scorpions were never introduced.

Have Cersei acknowledge that she's well and truly ****ed if Daenerys comes with her dragons, so she plans to hide amongst the innocent.

Have undead Viserion kill Rhaegal so that the Night King killed 2 dragons, establishing him as the greatest threat.

Have Daenerys get butthurt because she lost 2 children fighting a war that wasn't hers to start with and everyone still loves Jon more.

Have Daenerys destroy Kings Landing and kill hundreds of thousands of Innocents trying to take out Cersei, despite everything begging her not to.

Now Varys and friends have a damn good reason for wanting to betray her, and she well and truly snaps when she finds out.

Originally Posted by ChiefBlueCFC (Post 14265784)

Everyone knows that shooting dragons out of the air with giant arrows attached to ships on water are easy as **** to shoot down as well. It was clear that Euron was rebelling against Cersei for not shooting down the 3rd and final dragon which he could've easily done 62 billion times but chose not too

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 14265817)

It was? WTF?

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14265783)

If they sold in the madness really well, the last half of the episode would've been outstanding. The slow burning deserved the attention it got. It wasn't just one choice to make people burn. It was a deliberate maniacal choice. The side to side destruction of the city. Even with an insanely easy opportunity to destroy the red keep. When the books come out and GRRM better lays out the path to madness, I bet we'll really appreciate that the visual TV media chose to go all out on this. It was unsettling and just as powerful to see good characters... including Davos and obviously Tyrion and Jon Snow... go in total shock that this could have happened. In fact, once GRRM ties up loose ends, we may appreciate that the show chose to focus less on the politicking (which they're unequipped to handle) and focused squarely on creating visual entertainment and completing the difficult task at marching us to a clean ending.

Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 14265749)

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Originally Posted by mlyonsd (Post 14265837)

New editing blunder. Jamie's hand grew back for one scene.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...on-8-episode-5

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 14265829)

A book will always lay out a better path or can because it's a different medium than a visual medium. For one it can show inner thinking of a character. There are limitations with film in more ways than this one.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14265595)

Man - episode 3 really soured some folks.

And to be fair, I hated episode 3 as well - hated it more and more as I thought on it. But episode 1 was fine. Episodes 2 and 4 I thought were quite good and this episode was the best of the season so far, IMO.

The Dany thing has been a long-time coming. And yeah, maybe that's more 'book insight' bleeding into show viewing, but Dany has always been an entitled, impulsive, violent trainwreck and a wholly unfit leader. I've said this for literally years - she's a spoiled tween with an air force when nobody else has one. She's narrow-minded and overly emotional. Her losing her shit and burning a bunch of stuff to the ground is easy to call and surely nobody would've argued with it had she torched the massed Lannister army and then burned down the red keep.

The only real curious event here is that she torched everything. But there are several historical analogues for it. And frankly, for all the shit B&W have (justifiably) taken for making character motivations non-existent, they did give you some insight here when they mentioned the contrast between Kings Landing and Mereen. When she was upset that they didn't rise up in support of her, she clearly put 'torch 'em all' on the table. The historical example that springs immediately to mind for me is the Armenian Genocide. The Ottomans decided that the Armenians didn't do enough to defend the region from the Christian invaders and if they weren't going to rise up against the enemy, then clearly they're no better than the enemy. The Turks then went on to effectively wholesale slaughter people who were ostensibly part of their own empire.

In the end I'm not sure Dany actively hoped to slaughter innocents - I think she simply didn't care much if she did, especially as she saw them as quasi-enemies anyway.

Apart from that, the Jaime/Tyrion meeting was fantastic. Euron v. Jaime was unnecessary but entertaining. Cleganebowl was everything we could've hoped it to be.

And in the end I think so much of this show has been demonstrating how little the rank and file care or benefit from these power struggles. They'll take peace under a bad ruler over a war to install a good ruler every time. Because in the end, the definition of a 'good' ruler is pretty damn fluid. I mean heck, in the recent history of Westoros it appears Robert Baratheon was actually pretty damn good at it by simply staying out of the way. And from a commoners perspective, Dany and her army is simply a foreign invasion. Which again makes what happened more 'to type'. Dany has no ties to King's Landing - she never knew the place. The Unsullied just see it as someplace else to conquer and the Dothraki just do what they do. Even the northmen are historically antagonistic towards anything south of the Riverlands (if they'll even tolerate that far).

I just don't understand the rage here. The soldiers acted as damn near every invading force in the history of warfare has acted (look at what the Germans did in Leningrad and the staggering barbarism from the Russians in Berlin that came about as a result). Most of the characters acted as you'd expect them to - even Jaime the Cersei Junkie.

This all comes down to just how much of Kings Landing Dany would've reasonably set ablaze. And I think the writers, over the course of several seasons and in her final conversation with Tyrion specifically, gave ample indication that she may just snap. When the Bells were ringing, it wasn't the bells that set her off. It was sitting there having wrecked creation but lost every person close to her on account of Cersei simply not capitulating when it was clearly the smart decision the first time they met, and thinking "wait...NOW you surrender? Get ****ed with that shit!" It was petulant, frustrated rage from a person who'd demonstrated a pretty decent track record of being petulant and wrathful.

I just don't see the problem here. I thought the episode was very good :shrug:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14265861)

Agreed. Especially when you're sprinting to wrap up a hugely complicated story like this in two seasons. Once the books come out, we'll be glad they saved a lot of the setup and politicking for the books. We will also see that it will take at least 5 more seasons to wrap the show up the way grrm would've wanted it. The showrunners made a conscious decision to create showstopping big events and to sprint to an end, and even if that compromised some of the story's integrity, those things also outweigh the bad in many ways.

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 14265850)

Alternate script (stolen from reddit):

1. Completely wipe out the scene from the last episode where Euron takes down Rhaegal.
2. In the assault on King's Landing, Jon and Dany take everyone out, making the rout even more believable.
3. While the bells ring to signal surrender, a scorpion they had missed takes Rhaegal out. Much more believable that they could hit a stationary target.
4. Dany flips out.

When people are complaining about the writing, it's little things like that that could have gone a HUGE distance toward making it better.

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 14265875)

In a vacuum - last night's episode impacted me more than an episode of thrones has since The Red Wedding and I have to acknowledge D&D for that. Not many shows can do that.

Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 14265659)

The biggest problem with the Dany turn for me was that they totally contradicted themselves in the episode itself.

She talks about "fear it is" or whatever....SHE HAD IT. The citizens of King's Landing were scurrying and scared shitless at the sight of Drogon.

The Lannister Army, who has fought no matter the circumstances, laid down their weapons because they were scared hearing the dragon and seeing the opposition. (We won't bring up the fact that they fought against the same army and dragon in Season 7, another contradiction but eh I'll let it go).

Dany had won...there was ZERO reason to go batshit insane and raze KL and kill all the innocents...totally goes against the character they had been building with her. But eh that's their MO for this season so I'm not shocked.

I read somewhere else last night that it was the fictional equivalent of Hiroshima being nuked and then the Allied powers being like nahhhh do it again...

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14265883)

They couldn't have done the heartfelt moments much better. Tyrion/Jaime and Sandor/Arya were excellent goodbyes.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14265886)

Zero reason to burn them? PFFFFF

HA!

She had EVERY reason to destroy that city.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14265862)

Loved the action sequences. I enjoyed watching the Dragon ****ing ripping down the walls with his fire-breath nukes. Excellent CGI there. I loved all the graphic imagery, people getting their head split etc. LMAO @ you adult males complaing about action sequences. You serious right now?

How about Gray Worm going ****ing savage? AWESOME! They beheaded his only love, ever. You're goddamn right he should be going savage and putting a spear up every one of their asses.

And **** Jon Snow for being such a pussy. I just wish Gray Worm woulda put a spear up his ass after seeing him betray Danny YET AGAIN.

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 14265890)

Yep. To nitpick pacing, I'd have loved for Jaime/Cersei to learn Jon's parentage in a previous episode. Buuuuuuut it's fine I guessssss.

Loved Jaime/Cersei's goodbye too, and the complete understanding both characters had in Tyrion/Varys' goodbye.

Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 14265898)

You're right...she totally had every reason to burn the innocent men, women, and children who DID NOTHING WRONG..........even though that 100% goes against the character they built with her.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14265910)

Those were fine. Tyrion and Varys kind of seemed to be playing the role meant for the other, in a way. Shouldn't Varys have been the one concerned about the innocents in Kings Landing being victimized? He's the one always going on about that. Tyrion outright stated he despises the people there, and yet he's the one begging Daenerys to show mercy and Varys is the one trying to poison her? I know Varys has been foreshadowed, but just a bit odd to me.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14265886)

Zero reason to burn them? PFFFFF

HA!

She had EVERY reason to destroy that city.

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 14265919)

I am pretty sure that Tyrion was talking about the assembled nobles in his trial since it was a complete sham after he had saved their asses in the Blackwater.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14265922)

And we continue to overlook the fact that it's just another speck on a map for her. It's another dominion to be conquered.

It has NEVER been home. As far as she's concerned it's her birthright to rule it, but beyond that it's little more than an ant farm where the ants keep being unruly and biting her ankles.

I don't know when that point really hit home yesterday. I think it was when the Lannister soldiers dropped their arms and the citizens started calling for the bells. They were the people truly vested in the long-term survival of Kings Landing.

Nobody on the other side, OTOH, can claim much of a tie to Westeros, let alone Kings Landing. Like I said, even the northerners consider themselves Westerosi by little more than executive fiat. This particular lot has been succeeding and naming their own northern king for, what, 5 years?

Kings landing carries more weight with us, the viewers, than it does to anyone on the opposing force. And when we view it through their lens, the decision to just raze it starts to make narrative sense. They blasted it down because they had nothing to do with it and are more than content blowing it apart and re-building it as they see fit.

Is that wise? History says absolutely not - nation building from the ground up absent a grass-roots, organic uprising has failed pretty much every time it's been tried. But these aren't exactly history scholars we're dealing with here. These are conquerors with their own vision and Kings Landing was getting in the way of that vision.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14265928)

At least for the 3 armies under Daenerys, it makes more sense to me that they would raze it instead of stopping.

Dothraki don't give a shit.

Unsullied follow Grey Worm and he's ****ing furious about Missandei.

Northerners have to have centuries of bad blood for the Lannisters.

Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 14265898)

You're right...she totally had every reason to burn the innocent men, women, and children who DID NOTHING WRONG..........even though that 100% goes against the character they built with her.

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14265493)

What irks me somewhat more (though not TOO much) is the PERFECT control over Drogon's attacks that Dany has. Unless she has a Vulcan mind-meld with the thing, I just can't understand it.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14265872)

You're goddamn right the episode was very good. Have you seen the complaints in this thread? A lot of them are ****ing ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14265928)

At least for the 3 armies under Daenerys, it makes more sense to me that they would raze it instead of stopping.

Dothraki don't give a shit.

Unsullied follow Grey Worm and he's ****ing furious about Missandei.

Northerners have to have centuries of bad blood for the Lannisters.

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 14265937)

I don't have a problem with Dany carpet bombing Kings Landing. As she said herself all she had was fear, why not play into that and give them an example of what to be afraid of.

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14265939)

Was the attempted rape scene necessary?...seemed like the last thing a soldier would be doing in the heat of battle...maybe after but not then.

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 14265941)

The actors this season have just nailed it, every single one of them. We can all agree that this thing has rushed this season, but they've all given fantastic performances with the limited script they've had to work with. The acting, the visuals, the battle sequences - all top freaking notch. The story....well....they just ran out of time, really.

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14265939)

Was the attempted rape scene necessary?...seemed like the last thing a soldier would be doing in the heat of battle...maybe after but not then.

Was Crazy boatman's timing of being washed ashore...in the very spot where Jamie is entering the bowels of the castle, believable? No...it takes the viewer completely out of the scene.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14265933)

It really doesn't.

She was demure when she had no power. And she was a 'breaker of chains' when Mereen rose up WITH her. But anyone that hasn't been with her (or hell, anyone who's simply been indifferent towards her), has been against her for the entirety of her rise.

This decision is completely within character for her and she NOTED that in her conversation with Tyrion. The showrunners did an excellent job of hitting that note but not hitting it so hard that it was a fait accompli as she sat there on the edge of the sitting with Drogon pegged against the rev-limiter. By doing what they did, there was genuine suspense building up. Is she gonna drop that clutch and tear shit up or is she gonna come off the gas and cool down.

We didn't know. We couldn't have known because for everything B&W did poorly - they did her character extremely well in that regard. That could've gone either direction and we could've pointed at reasoning for it.

She has NEVER been the benevolent wallflower so many people are now portraying her as. Left to her own devices, she'd destroy anyone that stood in her path. And when she drew a line between the citizens of Kings Landing who were going to Cersei and seeking shelter rather than rising up to help her (again, a line drawn by dozens of real-life despots), the die had been cast. As noted - when a Targaryen is born, the Gods flip a coin...

And now we see how it landed. But everything that happened there works if considered fairly, IMO.

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14265939)

There is also the element of "suspension of disbelief"...where the character, no matter the scenario, reacts is a realistic manner...Cersie telling the Mountain to stand by her side to protect her from the Hound...and after he disobeys....what does she do? Walks right past her "protection" into certain death...and the Hound does nothing.

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14265939)

Was the attempted rape scene necessary?...seemed like the last thing a soldier would be doing in the heat of battle...maybe after but not then.

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14265939)

Was Crazy boatman's timing of being washed ashore...in the very spot where Jamie is entering the bowels of the castle, believable? No...it takes the viewer completely out of the scene.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14265954)

Well for the invading forces, the battle effectively WAS over. They were in the rout at that point. And the concept of 'blood lust' has been well documented. Yeah, soldiers have historically done heinous things to women in places they've conquered, even as the defeated soldiers were still bleeding out. For their part, that battle was all but done.

Euron...[sigh]...yeah, everything Euron has had a hand in has been silly. And because of how poorly his character has been used, we're all just annoyed anytime he shows up. Yeah, him just happening to be on the right beach at the right time with nobody else from his entire armada floating up with him was annoying as hell. I that there was little use in that apart from strictly a plot device designed to get Jaime a W via 1 on 1 combat without his hand. We haven't seen a real W with him since Vargo took his hand so maybe that was why they did it.

But sure - better avenue would've been to just have Drogon roast his ass and Jaime get to the maproom otherwise healthy. From a purely entertainment standpoint, I didn't mind Jaime getting a final fight for his sister's honor in there. But from a storytelling perspective that was admittedly ham-fisted.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14265954)

Well for the invading forces, the battle effectively WAS over. They were in the rout at that point. And the concept of 'blood lust' has been well documented. Yeah, soldiers have historically done heinous things to women in places they've conquered, even as the defeated soldiers were still bleeding out. For their part, that battle was all but done.

Euron...[sigh]...yeah, everything Euron has had a hand in has been silly. And because of how poorly his character has been used, we're all just annoyed anytime he shows up. Yeah, him just happening to be on the right beach at the right time with nobody else from his entire armada floating up with him was annoying as hell. I that there was little use in that apart from strictly a plot device designed to get Jaime a W via 1 on 1 combat without his hand. We haven't seen a real W with him since Vargo took his hand so maybe that was why they did it.

But sure - better avenue would've been to just have Drogon roast his ass and Jaime get to the maproom otherwise healthy. From a purely entertainment standpoint, I didn't mind Jaime getting a final fight for his sister's honor in there. But from a storytelling perspective that was admittedly ham-fisted.

Originally Posted by God of Thunder (Post 14265979)

Also - bear in mind - in the house of the undead in Season 2/3/whatever - she goes into the house of the undead to rescue the dragons. She sees the thrown room with what looked like snow - then she meets Drogo and the baby.

We now know this is Ash and a foreshowing of Dany's impending doom.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14265828)

Sarcasm.

Originally Posted by God of Thunder (Post 14265990)

And even furthermore - Jason Momoa visited the set of GoT while shooting, there was pictures he posted online. Therefore its likely they were filming a death scene for her and him.

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 14265949)

There were multiple accounts of women getting raped by over 30 different Soviet soldiers during the Battle for Berlin in WW2. When all hell breaks loose and the rule of law is gone, we really see the depravity that humanity is capable of. Rape is something that's unfortunately and quite tragically embedded in our histories during the sacks of cities.

Originally Posted by God of Thunder (Post 14265990)

And even furthermore - Jason Mamoa visited the set of GoT while shooting, there was pictures he posted online. Therefore its likely they were filming a death scene for her and him.

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 14265850)

Alternate script (stolen from reddit):

1. Completely wipe out the scene from the last episode where Euron takes down Rhaegal.
2. In the assault on King's Landing, Jon and Dany take everyone out on dragonback, making the rout even more believable.
3. While the bells ring to signal surrender, a scorpion they had missed takes Rhaegal out. Much more believable that they could hit a stationary target.
4. Dany flips out.

When people are complaining about the writing, it's little things like that that could have gone a HUGE distance toward making it better.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14266009)

Yeah, Dany is dunzo.

The denouement is the only question left at this point. I'd be surprised if Dany survives the first 40 minutes of this last episode.

Someone referred to Jon's "Ned Honor" and yeah, that's gonna be the big plot driver for the final conflict there. As Jon's standing amidst the flames in Kings Landing with Aerys stockpiles of wildfyre hidden beneath the city going off all around him, I feel like the final piece was set into motion.

Jon's gonna kill her or go down trying. And with King's Landing in ruins, we KNOW he's not gonna stick around for that shitshow.

If Tyrion survives this shit somehow, I think he's the one that ends up tasked with the rebuilding. Will that mean bringing the 7 Kingdoms back together? I suspect not - that ship has sailed. But with his temperament and his affinity for southern Westeros, he's the last man standing with the chops/desire for the job.

And ultimately I think we see the whole continent simply splinter. Dany broke the wheel, just not as she intended.

Originally Posted by God of Thunder (Post 14266014)

I actually suspect Dany will 'capture' Jon and sentence him to die. The dragon will unleash fire upon him - but because he is a true Targaryn, he will not die(Fire can't kill them, remember Dany survived this). People will realize what that means and cause them to turn against her.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14266016)

Shouldn't she know that would be completely ineffective, though?

Originally Posted by God of Thunder (Post 14266014)

I actually suspect Dany will 'capture' Jon and sentence him to die. The dragon will unleash fire upon him - but because he is a true Targaryn, he will not die(Fire can't kill them, remember Dany survived this). People will realize what that means and cause them to turn against her.

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 14266026)

On a random note, did Yara and the Ironborn just...disappear?

(That's a forgivable omission I suppose, but odd that they were just completely left out of this.)

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 14266026)

On a random note, did Yara and the Ironborn just...disappear?

(That's a forgivable omission I suppose, but odd that they were just completely left out of this.)

Originally Posted by Pogue (Post 14266028)

I was thinking the same thing but with Tyrion.

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 14266026)

On a random note, did Yara and the Ironborn just...disappear?

(That's a forgivable omission I suppose, but odd that they were just completely left out of this.)

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14265975)

You're freakin' way off here. The Hound made the trip to King's Landing for one sole purpose, and that was to fight his brother. He was not there for Cersi. He could give a damn about Cersi. His story has nothing to do with Cersi. Cersi continued past The Mountain when it became apparent that he was no longer offering protection and a willingness to obey, but instead intended on fighting the Hound. Cersi had no control there. He was not there to defend her any longer.

That's a piss ass example.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14266037)

Too bad we're only going to spend one episode with Darth Khaleesi.