Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 14798619)

stage racing has been around for 3 seasons I think. Hasn't had the impact that I think they would hoped, but it does do is provide time for adds and people to go piss and come back if you are at the race. Nascar keeps trying to make it a traditional sport but that isn't what it is.

Originally Posted by SuperBowl4 (Post 14798540)

It's ONLY the FIFTH consecutive year that this race has "SOLD OUT" according to their website. Is it SOLD OUT because they removed the backstretch grandstand? They removed 50,000 seats a few years ago as part of their "Dayton Rising" project. It should have been called "Daytona Downsizing". STAGE racing pissed off the majority of the DIE HARD NASCAR fans. The Point system is lame and the CHASE Playoff system is stupid. If it works don't fix it. NASCAR is paying the price for tweaking with a product that worked. Throwing a Checkered/yellow after a STAGE? It's nothing more than a mandatory caution period. Five laps of caution for what? That's 10 laps of needless (non-racing) caution per race. These laps shouldn't even be counted but they are. NASCAR over thought themselves. A GENERAL ADMISSION ticket to this years Daytona 500 costs $200.00!!

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 14798591)

I haven’t really watched NASCAR since Dale Earnhardt (sr), Jeff Gordon, Rusty Wallace, etc. WTF is this stage 1, 2, and 3 crap? Sounds dumb. How long has this been a thing.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14798653)

I thought that when they did their renovations they increased the size of all seats, so you're going to lose some seats right there. And wasn't the general disrepair the backstretch seats part of the issue? Something about how they were the worst seats in the house?

And what about five straight years of completely packed seats is bad? Never mind that thousands of people show up to watch outside of the general admissions. Last time I paid any attention to the actual numbers I remember they said that over 170,000 fans were at the race, but the stands only held 146,000 people.

Originally Posted by SuperBowl4 (Post 14798811)

The Daytona Speedway now has about 100,000 reserved seats. I'm not saying a packed "SOLD OUT" Daytona 500 is bad. I'm saying their point system and their STAGE racing is.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14798817)

Okay, you don't like the point system/playoffs/stages. Fine, I admit I'm not that into a lot of that myself.

But why does that mean you have to shit on the race itself? It's still Daytona, and that's still the best race of the year. Or it would be if they ever restarted the thing . . .

Originally Posted by SuperBowl4 (Post 14798859)

...I just stated why NASCAR is not that healthy of a series anymore...

Originally Posted by KCTitus (Post 14798922)

superspeedways are the absolute worst in nascar racing...if either of you remember the whole tandem racing on the superspeedways, it's basically become a 3 lap wreckfest and some random person wins the race or the leader leads them single file, like a parade, for 250 laps.

This is NOT racing...racing was done on the beach, on tracks that had character and the france family in their greed ****ing ruined a good thing. All of the nonsense that surrounds Daytona is just that nonsense.

If you want your biggest race to be the first, then **** all the stage and playoff bullshit. Restrictor plates ruined the superspeedways in the 80's and it's only gotten worse with every stupid alteration to the cars since.

Originally Posted by KCTitus (Post 14798669)

Uh, Daddy stopped 'racing' in 2001...Rusty in 2003 and Gordon in 2015...so when exactly did you stop watching? That's a 15 year spread.