Very short and Katee seemed kind of weird and stilted, but there's the motion forward with the plot I wanted. Kinda got whiplash they dropped so much at once.
Feel much better about this ep than the one a week ago.
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I thought Sackoff did a nice job. The leaders were very cold, hold on while I sacrifice my entire family kind of shit in the cartoons. She worked. The action was good.
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I actually laughed out loud when the camera revealed Titus Welliver's face.
LMAO
The guy is such an excellent actor and he was perfect for that scene. So now, we've seen two actors from Deadwood in The Mandalorian, Welliver and Olyphant, which is pretty cool.
Welliver is awesome. He did. Great job with the like 10
Lines he had.
Apparently the bartender in the first episode is from Deadwood too
Fish
11-15-2020 01:18 AM
So, one thing that hasn't been mentioned a bunch...
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"Children of the Watch are a cult of religious zealots that broke away from Mandalorian society. Their goal was to reestablish the ancient way."
So will Mando continue this way? Literally? Or break from his cult backgrounds?
Buehler445
11-15-2020 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Fish
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So, one thing that hasn't been mentioned a bunch...
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"Children of the Watch are a cult of religious zealots that broke away from Mandalorian society. Their goal was to reestablish the ancient way."
So will Mando continue this way? Literally? Or break from his cult backgrounds?
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He softened a lot after she explained it. And he worked with them again.
I watched a dork video that suggested that when the razor crest jumped to light speed and that piece fell off, it might represent his armor around his zeal cracking some.
I’d forgotten Bo Katan was a part of the deathwatch crew for a bit. The dork videos postulate that that’s who saved Mando was the deathwatch crew.
Pure speculation but I’d guess he’s going to continue to be a loaner but friendly with Bo Katan and probably friendly with his zealot group too. As well as cara dune etc.
Buehler445
11-15-2020 01:41 AM
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One nice parallel the dork videos pointed out was that when baby yoda got ate he closed his egg, so it’s Karmic for him eating the frog eggs. LOL
Frazod
11-15-2020 02:43 AM
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Sackhoff's performance was certainly a departure from the roles she's had in the past, where she typically plays an edgy, slightly unhinged subordinate character with a rebellious streak (at least in the two long running shows I watched her in, BG and Longmire). Now she's playing a leader, and her character is smoother and more confident. It was kind of weird, but I thought she did a great job. She's one of my favorite actresses, and I'm thrilled that she's in this.
keg in kc
11-15-2020 12:29 PM
I believe this whole season is about Din Djarin's transformation, and his redefinition of what being a Mandalorian means.
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It's why The Marshal was such a key episode. We start with Din threatening to take Boba Fett's armor back over, literally, Cobb Vanth's dead body. Then by the end Din all but apologizes for taking the armor back and says he hopes they work together again (which, I assume, they will). And then we see Boba Fett, whose motivations are currently unclear, but the expectation is conflict between the embodiment of 'what is a Mandalorian?' and Din Djarin. That likely leads to character growth for both of them.
The second episode shows Din's ongoing transformation into a paternal figure for The Child, and further includes a short reminder about Mandalorian reputation by the frog lady, when she rewires Zero.
And then there's the Heiress. She's introduced in an scene that parallels Cobb Vanth's appearance, removing her helmet and immediately having her right to the armor questioned. But, unlike Vanth, she IS a Mandalorian. She's also a former follower of Pre Vizsla and Deathwatch, so she has direct insight into the group that rescued and indoctrinated Din Djarin. And again, as with Cobb Vanth, she and her fellow Night Owls prove their mettle, and we end with what I think is a grudging but genuine respect for them from Din, as well as an invitation to join them in their struggle to retake Mandalore.
I can only see two ways this goes, and that's Din retreating even further into the Watch mantra, or Din becoming a different kind of Mandalorian. And I think that's what this season is about, moreso even than returning The Child to 'his people.'. Who at this point might well be Mandalorians anyway, rather than Jedi, or other Force users. But that's another, maybe not unrelated, discussion.
That's how I see it, at least. And I expect to see more of it in upcoming episodes.
DaneMcCloud
11-15-2020 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc
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I believe this whole season is about Din Djarin's transformation, and his redefinition of what being a Mandalorian means.
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Din has the same exact realization that Luke Skywalker had in The Empire Strikes Back: "Who am I? Is my entire life a lie?" Luke spent his entire life "looking away" to the stars and wanting to know more about his "Freighter Pilot" of a father and when he finds the answer, he's confused about his path forward.
Same with Din: He thought he was following the Mandalorian "Way", only to find out that his people were Extremists and on the wrong side of history. Now, Din is off to seek council from the Jedi in Ahsoka, much like Luke and Obi Wan, although she's technically no longer a Jedi.
One thing that seems out place from a logical perspective is that Din states that he knows nothing about the Jedi, which is kind of consistent with Han Solo in the OT, yet Din says to the X Wing pilots in Chapter 2, "May The Force Be With You".
How is it that he knows about The Force but not the Jedi? I can understand not knowing about The Sith, as there were only two at any time in a galaxy of trillions, but there were 10,000 or more Jedi before the end of The Clone Wars, along with Holonet reports on the Republic's war with the Separatists.
What am I missing?
PS - I thought it was interesting in Chapter 2 that the New Republic X Wing pilots were only slightly less authoritarian than Imperial pilots and commanders in the OT, which I thought was a nice display of duality: Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
keg in kc
11-15-2020 01:16 PM
So there's a rumor going 'round, which I can't believe anyone related to production would leak if there's any truth to it, but holy shit if it's real.
I would advise against even reading this right now. If it's actually true I would much rather go into the episode in question without knowing....
But I leave that choice to you. :evil:
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The rumor is that Ahsoka sacrifices herself to save the Child in episode 5. Which we already know is written and directed by Dave Filoni.
There have been other rumors, including a fight in said episode between Gideon and Ahsoka that was said to be produced to be as big as any lightsaber duel in any of the films.
I just can't believe they'd bring her to live action just to kill her off. But if there's anything that would hit the viewers harder than Kuiil, that's definitely it. Still, with rumors of an Ahsoka series, I just don't know if I believe it.
BigRedChief
11-15-2020 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc
(Post 15327264)
I believe this whole season is about Din Djarin's transformation, and his redefinition of what being a Mandalorian means.
Spoiler!
It's why The Marshal was such a key episode. We start with Din threatening to take Boba Fett's armor back over, literally, Cobb Vanth's dead body. Then by the end Din all but apologizes for taking the armor back and says he hopes they work together again (which, I assume, they will). And then we see Boba Fett, whose motivations are currently unclear, but the expectation is conflict between the embodiment of 'what is a Mandalorian?' and Din Djarin. That likely leads to character growth for both of them.
The second episode shows Din's ongoing transformation into a paternal figure for The Child, and further includes a short reminder about Mandalorian reputation by the frog lady, when she rewires Zero.
And then there's the Heiress. She's introduced in an scene that parallels Cobb Vanth's appearance, removing her helmet and immediately having her right to the armor questioned. But, unlike Vanth, she IS a Mandalorian. She's also a former follower of Pre Vizsla and Deathwatch, so she has direct insight into the group that rescued and indoctrinated Din Djarin. And again, as with Cobb Vanth, she and her fellow Night Owls prove their mettle, and we end with what I think is a grudging but genuine respect for them from Din, as well as an invitation to join them in their struggle to retake Mandalore.
I can only see two ways this goes, and that's Din retreating even further into the Watch mantra, or Din becoming a different kind of Mandalorian. And I think that's what this season is about, moreso even than returning The Child to 'his people.'. Who at this point might well be Mandalorians anyway, rather than Jedi, or other Force users. But that's another, maybe not unrelated, discussion.
That's how I see it, at least. And I expect to see more of it in upcoming episodes.
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
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Din has the same exact realization that Luke Skywalker had in The Empire Strikes Back: "Who am I? Is my entire life a lie?" Luke spent his entire life "looking away" to the stars and wanting to know more about his "Freighter Pilot" of a father and when he finds the answer, he's confused about his path forward.
Same with Din: He thought he was following the Mandalorian "Way", only to find out that his people were Extremists and on the wrong side of history. Now, Din is off to seek council from the Jedi in Ahsoka, much like Luke and Obi Wan, although she's technically no longer a Jedi.
One thing that seems out place from a logical perspective is that Din states that he knows nothing about the Jedi, which is kind of consistent with Han Solo in the OT, yet Din says to the X Wing pilots in Chapter 2, "May The Force Be With You".
How is it that he knows about The Force but not the Jedi? I can understand not knowing about The Sith, as there were only two at any time in a galaxy of trillions, but there were 10,000 or more Jedi before the end of The Clone Wars, along with Holonet reports on the Republic's war with the Separatists.
What am I missing?
PS - I thought it was interesting in Chapter 2 that the New Republic X Wing pilots were only slightly less authoritarian than Imperial pilots and commanders in the OT, which I thought was a nice display of duality: Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
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agree with these posts. I think this seasons story arc is about his journey to find who he really is or wants to be.... just like Luke
DaneMcCloud
11-15-2020 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc
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But I leave that choice to you.
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As previously mentioned, I've been Spoiler-Free for Season 2, so I don't know anything at this point, either way.
That said, I would think that Disney has learned their lesson of killing off Fan Favorites with the fan reaction, not to mention the Box Office reaction, to the sequels killing off Han, Luke & Leia.
It's also difficult to imagine Dave Filoni agreeing to killing off his most special creation. If that happens, I think they'll lose even more fans, which is counter-intuitive to their new model in which streaming is the primary focus and at this point in time, their primary source of revenue.
But, Disney has been anything but thoughtful regarding their Star Wars fan base so I suppose everything is on the table.
keg in kc
11-15-2020 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
(Post 15327416)
Spoiler!
As previously mentioned, I've been Spoiler-Free for Season 2, so I don't know anything at this point, either way.
That said, I would think that Disney has learned their lesson of killing off Fan Favorites with the fan reaction, not to mention the Box Office reaction, to the sequels killing off Han, Luke & Leia.
It's also difficult to imagine Dave Filoni agreeing to killing off his most special creation. If that happens, I think they'll lose even more fans, which is counter-intuitive to their new model in which streaming is the primary focus and at this point in time, their primary source of revenue.
But, Disney has been anything but thoughtful regarding their Star Wars fan base so I suppose everything is on the table.
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They have killed her off before...
DaneMcCloud
11-15-2020 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc
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They have killed her off before...
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Kind of.
I'm still operating under the belief that the World Between Worlds was a plot device that was introduced in order to change the outcome of all Post-ROTJ movies, kind of like a "Nuclear Option", so they can reset the entire Star Wars Galaxy if their properties (i.e., the sequel trilogy) aren't well-received by the public.
Buehler445
11-15-2020 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
(Post 15327320)
Spoiler!
Din has the same exact realization that Luke Skywalker had in The Empire Strikes Back: "Who am I? Is my entire life a lie?" Luke spent his entire life "looking away" to the stars and wanting to know more about his "Freighter Pilot" of a father and when he finds the answer, he's confused about his path forward.
Same with Din: He thought he was following the Mandalorian "Way", only to find out that his people were Extremists and on the wrong side of history. Now, Din is off to seek council from the Jedi in Ahsoka, much like Luke and Obi Wan, although she's technically no longer a Jedi.
One thing that seems out place from a logical perspective is that Din states that he knows nothing about the Jedi, which is kind of consistent with Han Solo in the OT, yet Din says to the X Wing pilots in Chapter 2, "May The Force Be With You".
How is it that he knows about The Force but not the Jedi? I can understand not knowing about The Sith, as there were only two at any time in a galaxy of trillions, but there were 10,000 or more Jedi before the end of The Clone Wars, along with Holonet reports on the Republic's war with the Separatists.
What am I missing?
PS - I thought it was interesting in Chapter 2 that the New Republic X Wing pilots were only slightly less authoritarian than Imperial pilots and commanders in the OT, which I thought was a nice display of duality: Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
I took the "May the Force Be With You" as a trick he learned in the bounty hunting circles.
Similar to how if my ogre ass went to a Yoga class and said Namaste, I don't know WTF it means, but I'd probably say it because everyone else is.
Bowser
11-15-2020 05:37 PM
I enjoyed that a great deal. Bryce Dallas Howard did work directing that episode. Kinda cool that we've had a father/daughter combo directing Star Wars shows.