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I'm sure this has been mentioned but isn't this something some teams do? Go for broke for a SuperBowl run and then a few rebuilding years vs. several years of "almost"?
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Two 1sts? I swear to god some of you just want to get raped in trade deals. Let’s hope Veach isn’t going about doing business the way some of you guys want to. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/t17v8Z-csME" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe> |
I think the cap space fear is the new "too risky" to take a QB.
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Since the start of the season- Ramsey was roasted repeatedly by Sammy Watkins. Gave Reek a cheap shot while he was down and hurt. Got into with his coach. Requested a trade. Gave a profanity-laced interview where he slammed people in the organization. And then had another mediocre game against the Titans. :doh!: |
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Teams have finally figured out that draft picks don't have great value unless youre picking very high.
The best thing about them is they can sell hope to fans with them. |
I have followed along with this for the duration.
Been excited, sad, and to be honest anymore lets be honest is he worth all of this back and forth. He is acting like a damn spoiled rotten kid. I trust in Reid and Mahomes. |
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Watkins burned him repeatedly. Then he cried and threw a hissy fit. |
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So is this shit happening or nah?
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The rest of those guys are 2nd rounders that can be had every year |
I don’t think 2 first from kc get it done anyway
Why would Jacksonville do that? Those would be two picks in the early 30s they aren’t very valuable |
I still don’t think the Jags are getting two first round picks.
Mack got the Raiders that because he was versatile and he was a saint off the field and the locker room. Ramsey, for all his talent, is an asshole and an outspoken one at that. |
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If it’s the chiefs or Seattle or philly it’ll probably take 2 firsts causer those picks aren’t as valuable |
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The Eagles don't suck, Baltimore is probably in the playoffs, I mean bad teams generally don't make these trades. |
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They could still win the division and have him for 3 years then tag and trade him |
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By all accounts Mariota was awful- but yet people are posting JR had a down game? :hmmm: 2 out of 3 games have been sub-par, plus his behavior should at least give teams pause to not mortgage their future draft capital. Plus, he will demand a new contract or will show up at Arrowhead in a Brinks truck and start acting like a dick here. |
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He just changed his Twitter profile pic, which showed him wearing Jags gear.
It's now his "J R" necklace pendant. |
Does Ramsey and/or Ramsey's agent have any control at all over which team he's traded to?
I'm sure the answer is buried in here somewhere, but I left my hip waders at home. |
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Gimme a guy like that every day of the week opposed to some golly gee oh I hope we win today sort of player... |
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The entire Ravens offense is cheap as hell. Lamar Jackson, Mark Andrews, Hollywood Brown, Hayden Hurst, Justice Hill, Ronnie Stanley, Orlando Brown. They’ve also got a lot of cheap players on defense for the next 2 seasons as well. Matt Judon, Tavon Young, Marlon Humphrey, Chris Wormley. It’s almost as if drafting well has given these teams the ability to make such a move due to the influx of talent on rookie contracts. |
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His agent was also Eric Berry’s agent who fleeced is out of almost 100 million dollars
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It's exactly why I'm ok giving up 1st rounders for someone of Ramsey's caliber. |
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If the Chiefs trade 2 first rounders, its basically two high second rounders... |
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Looking like, even though Jags are "willing to pay Ramsey," he still wants out.
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If they keep hitting on their day 2 guys like it would seem they have (Nnadi, Thornhill, Hardman), then who cares about pick 32. Those guys all look like better players than what the average late 1st rounder ends up being. |
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If you hate giving up two late 1st round picks, just pretend one was a bust and with the other we drafted one of the best CBs in the NFL. |
Look I wouldn't trade pick 7 and pick 15 for Jalen Ramsey, but I would trade pick 32 and pick 28.
It's about value and the teams position. |
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Here is the real truth of evaluation: Every draft has like 12-20, MAYBE 25 true 1st round talents based on pre-draft evaluation. Then from like 21-60, all those guys are similarly graded. It becomes much murkier, thus the drop in value of those picks. The difference in pick 30 and pick 55 isn’t near what many make it out to be. The biggest part of it is the 5th year option, which is rarely used if a player is good enough to be extended anyways. |
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Much bigger gap from player 8 and player 22 than say player 31 and player 57. |
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Chiefs have to second rounders for 2020 as well trade your first this year and next years and then trade a second to get back up in the first round if someone is willing to trade out if your guys there. Who knows what happens for the next year, trade someone else for a first who knows this teams good teams will pay high price for players from a sb caliber team.
There are a lot of possibilities. |
he is gonna mess around and end up in Oakland when they promise to over pay
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When you draft them in the mid rounds and such you are taking a gamble at getting lucky and mean shit Steven Nelson is a successful 3rd round CB and everyone thinks he's terrible. |
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The only reason the Ravens look like they don't have money is because they lost Mosely and Smith...
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Paying guys is tough, but giving up an extreme amount of picks and paying them? Case and point: Frank Clark apparently sucks here. There’s a thread on it. Okay well who is performing? Tanoh Kpassagnon (1 sack-almost 2 in Oakland-a would be pick) and Ogbah (1 sack). Even though we paid a **** load for Frank, cheap labor is helping mitigate that “so called” error. Sammy should be gone after this season. No problem. Hardman is here for 3 more years cheap. Honey Badger is a huge price tag. That’s fine when you have Thornhill here for cheap throughout Honey Badgers contract. If you want to do this deal and give up picks, fine. BUT do not bitch when we are not making moves like this in 2020 and beyond. I don’t care if the cap is going up. $40 million AAV QB with a lot of other expenditures like Clark, Hitchens, Schwartz, Fisher, Kelce etc. Cap going up drastically just means player salaries will go up significantly as well. And yes Mahomes new contract will be tough even with the cap going up. |
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Is that the trajectory we are working for? |
Watkins is gone after this year. Probably will net a 2nd rounder.
If we get Ramsey, Jones is probably gone. He’s worth at least a 1st. We will get cheap picks back one way or another. But in the meantime it’d be nice to win a ****ing Super Bowl and not get bent over by BB and Brady. |
You'd think after 208 wins Andy Reid would be like just make the damn trade I need to win this thing.
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