He laughed for the entire half inning when Fredbird was ironing his jerseys out in Big Mac Land.

And it was still less stupid than his clear belief that if he just kept saying "advanced metrics" eventually he'd convince people that Adam Wainwright has had a Hall of Fame career.

He's been really bad. I truly think he's drinking again.

Oh yeah. He was sauced

Drunk Dan somehow still beats butters

The inheritors of Jack Buck and Harry Carey legacy are for shit. Edmonds is the only announcer worth a crap. The rest are trash.

I'm going to make Butters a thing outside of my Cardinals board.

He got that nickname over there probably 15 years ago when Anthony Reyes kept getting starts despite being bombed and all Brad Thompson ever did was get ****ed around despite far better results in the minors and majors.

So it became a gag about the episode where Butters Stotch from South Park was at the NAMBLA meeting just constantly at risk of getting nailed. Mostly just a joke about Thompson getting butt-****ed pretty routinely by the organization.

And thus the most absurd yet fitting nickname was born.

My buddies call him Butters as well and have no idea why. You don't have to know why - it's just a perfect damn nickname for that goof.

Seeing that kid with the long gun walk right through the police line without question has to provide a sharp contrast to those that feel a different kind of justice for them over and over again. The data doesn’t lie.

And then you see an entire park full of black people protesting armed to the teeth and not get shot at...

Imagine standing for something and making Jacob Blake one of your poster boys. ****ing reeruned.

When the numbers skew towards equitable justice the outrage will subside. That just seems logical. Whataboutism doesn’t really ring effective as an argument if you are blind to the facts.

Oh and f the Cubs!:)

There is no whataboutism here.

Floyd was killed by a racist pos who decided he needed to kneel on his neck for 8 minutes, or whatever it was, after he was already in cuffs. I can understand why people are protesting his death, certainly not to the extent it was taken though because it makes absolutely no sense to burn down a Walgreens.

Blake was shot because he was a pos himself and has a problem with authority. White, black, brown, yellow, orange, purple, if you think you can have the cops called on you because you are a domestic scum, resist arrest and wrestle the cops, manage to break free and ignore a taser, then open your car door with guns drawn on you and a cop pulling you back, then you deserve every bullet coming your way. Not every cop wakes up in the morning and sets out to kill a black person that day. Too many cops have died because they didn't pull the trigger under those circumstances.

Now this cop is most certainly going to get death threats, lose his job, have to move his family, and all for a 100% justifiable shoot.

The numbers show that black people are disproportionately represented in the criminal justice system, but the numbers also show that black people commit a disproportionate level of felony crimes/homicides.

That's about all I'll say on the matter because there's an entire forum to talk about this if you dare enter the cesspool.

Spot ****ing on cub fan

You missed the point entirely, but you are right this isn't the forum.

Go Cards!

Where was this? I missed that happening.
Will someone give me a link? Please.

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What exactly are you trying to prove with those videos?

I've seen it. I know what happened in the George Floyd case. I have no problem with everything until the one officer decided that while he was cuffed and subdued that he needed to have his knee on his neck for 8 minutes. There is no way that is taught in law enforcement. There is no way that is a reasonable act.

Even the dudes in the video said, "he's probably alive without the knee."

Come on guys, this is a Cardinals thread.

The real point is that there would not have been a knee if he was not out of his mind on drugs, committing crimes and being compliant. They also mentioned that it was not racist in their opinion.

I am done sorry for the distraction.

Warm em up
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God this offense is terrible.

Albert is supposed to be this hitting guru. Looks to me that most if not all MLB players are guess hitting. They don’t get the pitch they are expecting, they look like little leaguers striking out or weak grounders. So it’s either a shit for brains strategy or they are ignoring his advice. Niether path ain’t a good thing.

It looks like Carlson is starting to get use to a MLB breaking ball. Now, he needs to master a MLB change up. Still looking foolish but this is a great year for some OJT at this level.

Classic Cardinals baserunning. DeJong on 2nd with no one out. Goldy hits a bomb to the warning track dead center and DeJong shits the bed and doesn’t even tag. Intentional walk followed by double play. This offense is incredibly frustrating.

No ****ing excuse for that shit. Too bad that mother****er recovered from COVID.

There’s also absolutely no reason they didn’t punch run for Molina here.

Jesus ****ing christ

This game is a metaphor of everything that frustrates me about this team. Just no passion and pure stupid mistakes.

That slow **** should have never been running in the first place. Pinch run for him at the start of the inning.

That’s another thing. Remember that first 1/2 season post Matheny how the base running turned around. And the next year. Now, besides the young speedsters, they have slid back into not using their brains on the base paths. Getting too comfortable again.

Agreed. For all the accolades Yadi gets for being such a good catcher, one thing that can’t be denied is the lack of strong leadership on this team over the last, what, 5+ years?

we have seen this shit baseball recently. its a pure Matheny team at the end of his tenure. Poor base running, lackadaisical attitudes, everyone feeling comfortable, very little passion. They are either getting bad coaching or not listening. Maybe they got fat and happy because they overachieved last year and went to a NLCS?

This BS about it being a weird season, playing so many double headers etc. is just that BS. Your playing extra double headers because you, the players, didn’t follow the damn rules. You went to a casino, strip club, 19th hole bar whatever rumor is the real one, something happened you went out in public, partied without a mask on and then brought it back into the clubhouse. Just more of the same undisciplined lackadaisical conduct that we are seeing on the field.

Do you remember his infamous "look at that bench!!" abomination? Happened years ago.. I know guys that are STILL pissed off about one of the greatest comebacks in team history because of his concluded call of the game.

First Cards game I've been able to see since all of this crap started.

Nice hit by Goldy right there.

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I guess we are being warned. You think we are cheap now, hold my beer.

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John Mozeliak improving his ballclub is like me working out.

When you're looking for excuses, you will ALWAYS find one. And Mozeliak is always looking for excuses.

The Padres, Rays and A's have teams with none of the advantages the Cardinals have apart from leadership that knows what its doing. And meanwhile Mozeliak and his multi-billionare owner are crying poor and pouting because the team he's built is just too damn mediocre for him to know what to do with.

Think about that. For 4 straight years his excuse has been "we're not good enough or bad enough to pick a lane..."

THAT'S ON YOU, PECKERHEAD!

Fire this ****ing clown.

Edit: For some reason I was thinking it was Fowler but yea DeJong and absolutely ridiculous. Junior High baseball level mistake.

He’s just following DeWitt’s orders.

The Cardinals don’t need to rebuild but the roster isn’t good enough as constructed, without additions, to do a lot of damage in the postseason.

I 100% think DeWitt is fine with being just OK and having a team win 85-90 games a year with PO appearances 3 out of 5 years and an occasional WS appearance.

The Cardinals are like the Chiefs from 2003-2006 at the end of Carl’s reign.

You don't have to think it; speculation isn't necessary - he flat out SAID it. The Cardinals target 88 wins because that's enough for the post-season.

Then they hope to get lucky.

Then Mozeliak is towing the company line from his boss.

As long as the Cardinals win in the mid-80s consistently along with PO appearances, along with making $, Mo is safe.

****, I wish Blues ownership owned the Cardinals. While they’re in it to make a profit(obviously), they let Armstrong make bold moves and go all in when he thinks it’s necessary.

No doubt.

But good GMs can do that AND improve their teams. Again, look no further than organizations spending far less for far greater results.

Yeah, Mozeliak is scraping by because his owner set a low bar - but with the resources he has at his disposal, he should be doing FAR better and with little/no more risk.

The amount of capital he's pissed away is staggering. A team with no GM at all - just a guy who signs checks and promotes from within while letting pending FAs walk - would've built a better team than what Mozeliak's built since 2014.

He's done a spectacularly bad job and only the low expectations of DeWitt has allowed him to keep his job.

The only conclusion that we as fans can take from this consistent approach is that its not a bug, its a feature. The owner wants to make money. Sneak into the playoffs and get lucky. Thats the plan.

I think whats missing in Dewitt's plan is those 2004/2005/2006/2011/2013 teams had way more talent. They under-performed in the playoffs or during the season. Depends on the year. But, if it clicked, get lucky in the playoffs like it seems is Dewitt's plan, they had talent to win when they got on a roll.

The teams I'm seeing since 2014 needs it to go perfect to win in the playoffs.

Not gonna happen w/ 3 rounds. DEFINITELY won't happen w/ 4 when the playoff expansions become permanent.

Baseball isn't hockey where a goalie can steal you 4 rounds by being unconscious. It's not basketball where you can have one guy just strafe creation for 16-20 games. It's not football where it's 1 and done and a guy like Flacco can just get hot for 3 games.

There's an element of crapshoot to a particular round, but man, it STILL requires a difference-maker somewhere and the Cardinals flat do not have one. The closest they can point to is Flaherty and he's not enough on his own. You have to reach a threshhold level of talent and the Cardinals do not seem inclined to attempt to do so.

You cannot steal a World Series if you're not trying. Even the 2006 Cardinals, arguably the weakest WS winner ever, had 4 guys in the midst of HoF caliber careers who had simply underperformed to that point. Yeah, their record sucked, but they had Carpenter, Molina, Pujols, Rolen and Edmonds on that squad and mostly healthy by the post-season.

This team has 1 guy who can hang with that level of player (Flaherty) another who's showing a rebound to that level (Goldschmidt) and....what? The second most valuable player on this team right now is almost certainly Brad !@#$ing Miller.

And that's to say nothing of the 2011 squad or the 2004/5 squads.

I mean this team isn't even a reasonable facsimile of teams built back when Dewitt gave a shit. And it COULD'VE been.

But our owner doesn't care and our GM is an idiot.

Lord those 04/05 teams were just, unreal.

Hate that we ran into that destiny shit ass Boston team in 04.

04' might have been the most fun regular season of baseball I have ever watched.

04*06 were my favorite years.

The '04 season was the most fun I've ever had as a baseball fan, even if it didn't end in a series.

That summer was just something to behold. A 90 game stretch of 60-22 baseball where it felt like they were just toying with teams. LaRussa just glowering from the top step and teams literally losing before the first pitch because those teams were smart and mean as ****.

Nobody wanted to play them. Teams were openly intimidated by that squad. The 2011 post-season may have been the best job by a manager I've seen over a short period, but nothing will ever capture the upshot of having Tony LaRussa as your manager (warts notwithstanding) better than that 90 game stretch where they perfectly reflected his style.

It was a short taste of what rooting for the Empire in Star Wars would've been like....right up to the damn death star exploding at the end. They weren't some plucky little darling underdog. They were on a mission man, they were the terminator. They were a soulless killing machine. And yeah, it blew up in the end but for a bit there it was one hell of a ride.

I think almost if not all of Cardinal nations believe the same.

That 04 team was a juggernaut. They didn’t just beat teams, they crushed their spirit. No team wanted to play us. It was the best regular season team I’ve ever witnessed. The 05 team is by far the best team I’ve ever seen that didn’t even get to a WS.

When they got Walker it just felt like we were rubbing it in, you just couldn't imagine it getting any better.

Anything can happen in a short series, but I just didn't see the Sox coming in on fumes, even after an emotional series against their rival being able to sustain that...yet it happened.

The 69 Orioles won 109 games yet lost to the Mets (who did win 100 games). The Mets were hot at the end and had young arms, a couple of studs up front in Seaver and Koosman and McGraw and Ryan in the bullpen. Other than Cleon Jones and Tommie Agee it was pretty much a journeymen lineup who got hot at the end of the year.

Exactly. Who on this team belongs/replace these guys?

Walker
Pujols
Rolen
Edmonds
Sanders

One thing about Jockety- he didn't give a **** about making trades or disrupting the clubhouse morale like Mo does. The trading deadline was always exciting with Walt but always a yawn with Mo. I may hate Mo more than I hated Carl Peterson and the turd that followed.

Jocketty was never afraid of being wrong.

Mozeliak's terrified of it.

That pretty much sums up the difference in their approaches.

So we are back to....fire Mo? ROFL I'm in

Back? Who in here hasn't been on that bandwagon for years?

I was about to reply with the same.

Kudos to the offense- 16 runs! Now we will average 1-2 runs/game for a while. I hate to sound so negative but this offense is so unpredictable.

those same players put on a pathetic lackadaisical display this weekend while losing to possibly the leagues worst team.

Matt Carpenter is hitting .195 but hey he has some walks to go with that. More walks than hits.

Have they even watched this team?


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Have you watched the NL? This league sucks beyond the Dodgers. I'd probably give the Padres a higher chance but thats about it. The Braves have 1 pitcher and a dude they just called up thats done pretty good in his first 2 starts.

Everyone else pretty much sucks and are feeding off of eachother.

"Cardinals had big swing and miss on emerging White Sox star Luis Robert "
really... you think?

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/colu...ae9f716ce.html

Gee thanks, BenFred.

I mean - I was only pounding the table for the guy 9 months before he was posted and openly furious when we let the White Sox snipe him.

But hey - welcome to the !@#$ing party. Care to take aim at the REST of the mind-numbingly stupid things John Mozeliak has done over the last 60 months? Because brotha, you'd fill a whole bunch of column inches.

Oh, and Matt Carpenter is absolutely DONE.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhFJEOyW...png&name=small

Good work on that wholly unnecessary PR extension when you had a !@#$ing option year on the guy, Mozeliak. Just brilliant, buddy.

At least 3B isn’t arguably the deepest position we have in the minors! (Although Montero and Gorman are still probably a couple years away.)

I guess you saw that hitting data analysis on him showing he doesn't have the bat speed to catch up with a mediocre fast ball anymore.

WTF is he still in the lineup every goddamn day?

That may be his dumbest move yet and that is saying something. I don't know how you mess that one up.

"How" isn't even the question, the real question is "why?".

There was literally no reason for the extension when he did it. None.

PR.

It was their annual 'lock up the core' PR extension. They have one essentially every year.

They don't care about winning, folks. Haven't since LaRussa left. It's all about sheering sheep with BDW. He can send out good ol' wholesome Carpenter, blab about committing to this key piece of the team/community, and...well...."baaaaaaaaaaaaa"

No team that gives a shit about winning a championship retains John Mozeliak. Not when there are genuine superstar executives coming from organizations all throughout baseball there for the taking.

This isn't about Mozeliak or nothing - there are BRILLIANT minds on other teams in this league who are doing remarkable stuff. And the Cardinals....aren't.

You fire Mozeliak because there are better, smarter, more intuitive, more aggressive minds out there who will make this team a winner and for CHEAPER than Mozeliak can (which is all BDW cares about). But Dewitt's tuned out because the cash register keeps ringing.

Hey he’s “comfortable” now. Any day now he’s going to return to his 2013 form. ;)

$40 million left on the payroll?

Which I’ve never understood. If they suck, how are you getting any money out of that bad contract? Do you not make it worse by playing an underperforming to suck ass player with a bad contract?

Dj want to barf more? Luke Voit has 13 HR and 28 RBI in 32 games...

Yeah that’s great and all, but what would Mo have done with that extra payroll of Voit instead of Goldy? Extend Mike Leake?

Similar question...I meant how do you even consider an extension when you are essentially bidding against yourself. You don’t extend him and even if he bounces back you still can extend him later. He wasn’t going anywhere and he still felt the need.

These damn announcers are shit. Talking about Reyes and how electric he was when he came up. Thompson chimes in he’s had a lot of injuries that were not in any way his fault, that’s just baseball.

Excuse Me? WTF? He had a pain in his elbow, didn’t tell the Cardinals. Went out and pitched, Tommy John. Lost more than a year. He was upset about his pitching. Punched a concrete wall with his pitching hand. Broke stuff. Another year lost. He strained a lat throwing a bullpen. Didn’t tell the Cardinals. Went out and pitched. Lat injury, gone for the year.

Was it just me or does the Cubs broadcast pipped in crowd noise seemed really loud compared to other stadiums Ive heard this year.

I thought Dylan Carlson was suppose to be good. He is currently hitting a .162 avg and doesn't come through even when players are in scoring position.
When will they send this dude back down?

You think he forgot to hit? This isnt a Bader/O'neill level of a player. Everyone and every analysis I've read thinks he's the real deal. Many say he's the best prospect since Pujols. That gets you a long leash to run.

Maybe sending him down makes sense if it was a "normal" season. But its not. What good does it do to send him "down"? He's already proved he can hit AAA pitching well, so whats left to prove? Anyway, there are no minor league games being played.

As DJ pointed out earlier, he's never seen MLB change ups, sliders. Also all the MLB insight, film used against hitters is being used against him right from the start. He needs to adapt, see those pitches live with the game on the line. What better season to do this OJT?

We have no chance whatsoever to beat the Dodgers even if we make the playoffs. Let him get his OJT this year and be ready for 2021.

Proud of the double header victory against the Cubs. Wish Waino would've gotten the complete game to shut up the Cubs announcers yesterday on MLB network. Waino has the longest streak for a Cubs opponent to never have a complete game against the team and they referenced that five times in the sixth and seventh inning.

He’s also 21 years old and played in AAA for less than a month. Not a lot of players (hitters especially) are able to make the jump directly from AA to the bigs.

Marp with is bi-weekly stupid defensive brain cramp mistake to go along with his .170 average.

yeah, they are essentially putting him in the lineup over Carlson. At least Carlson has a potential upside. Carp is all downside at this point.