I'm almost convinced he's trolling at this point. Either that or he just plain doesn't know WTF he's talking about.

I'm all for small companies that make high quality niche products. That's how Kreg got their start and they make amazing high quality functional tools right here in Iowa. I gotta say, I've literally never seem one of those toolboxez in a truck though. Lol.

I'm a big customizer myself. I need what I need and I need it no matter where I am. Gotta be able to load it down.

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Hey Aturnis tried...but the oil lovers bias clearly shows.

The owner moved manufacturing over to China a few years back . LMAO


It sucks, but it is what it is.

Only the 3 engine version compares to a 2500 and I bet it doesn’t have the same range they are publishing

Bet it has more actually. So 500 minimum, but probably more. That's typically how Elon works. Promised or better.

Only exception I can think of off the top of my head is that they didn't get below .2 drag coefficient on the Model 3.

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Ford and Tesla are doing great work. Keep innovating, and the market will nudge them toward designing the perfect truck.

I’m wondering if GM is going to get caught with their cock in their hand.

Not talking about you or Buehler. The two of you are being generally fair and honest. I understand though not having driven them or lived with this concept that there's a hesitancy and even an understanding gap comparing it to what you're used to. I can debate with the two of you no problem.

It's the guys coming in here saying "it's got a long way to go until it can replace a truck". It can replace your truck day one of release. No question.

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I don’t think Tesla is far off. Ford either. My hang-up is charging on the road. Infrastructure for electric out here is garbage. I need about 400 miles range while pulling a 20’ enclosed.

It’s just a matter of time. Bring it on.

ROFL Put your Tonka toys back in the toybox and clean your room kiddo.

You're never too far from a Tesla supercharger in the US. You can drive anywhere continental no problem at all.

Just got off the road to my mom's tonight. 2 hr drive. Plenty of range. Charging if I needed it and didn't touch the wheel anymore than required by law through rain at 37°. I'm here and not nearly as drained as I would be otherwise.

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Name a thing it won't be able to do. I'll wait.

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You know that the bed cover can be open, right?

So this truck is never going to break down in middle of nowhere needing a part and someone who works on Telas in bum **** Egypt. I can be literally anywhere in the USA and be busted down and have a tow if needed to a qualified mechanic who can get us up and running usually within hours not more than a day. Im sure qualified Tesla mechanics are everywhere.

Way more simple. I imagine that anyone that is familiar with electronics could fix one. There are YouTube channel of people modifying them, and the work is pretty elementary.

Lol. So the "it won't replace a truck" argument is done? Now it's about service centers?

Tesla will come flat bed it if they have to. Breakdowns should be few and far between though. No belts pulleys or other Bullshit to go.

Again. Lose a motor, you've got 1-2 more to get you where you need to be. Literally only the suspension or battery could stop you. They've got cars out there with 630,000+ miles on the battery no problem.

New battery and drivetrain to last 1 million miles and now with the stainless steel body to match.

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you dumb sob oil pipelines go in remote areas where i could count less than 50 people living in a 200 mile radius. I have literally worked in areas so remote they had to set up man camps for the construction phase. Problem is we were working preliminary design phase we didnt have those luxuries. So yeah Ill stick with things I know will work instead of the unknown.

Haul my cattle to town like my 3/4 does. Feed my cattle the way my 3/4 does. Tow 17,500 like my 3/4 does. Toe almost 30,000 like the 1 ton.

I hope like hell one day it does because I love driving the Model S and want a truck that will do the work so I have less maintenance.

It doesn’t do the things I need it to do

What more does it do than a normal 3/4 does?

Lol I believe Buehler when he expresses doubts when it comes to this kind of stuff and how it can affect farming. And I bet his doubts aren't based on loving oil or hating electric vehicles.

LOL Montezuma boxes are the standard for triangle boxes. They're everywhere here.

Look man, I appreciate you saying notorious and I are being reasonable, and I really am. I'd love a rig that does those things right, but I'm not going to be on the bleeding edge of one. I don't go near as far out as notorious and I don't haul as much as him most days. I'd be a far better fit for the rig than he would.

But comments like this (regarding organized toolboxes are just flat out stupid.

Proof.

https://i.imgur.com/bet3vWM.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/m9hXBUX.jpg

I have more in the cab.

https://i.imgur.com/m9hXBUX.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/BFXAbWf.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rBS2H0z.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/IuIDnQ2.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/yRqDyxQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/uXflXJa.jpg

I also have 2 blow guns under the back seat and tote with my coat and cover alls to go with my Mucks in front of the drawers.

I decided to blow out the box, and this is all the shit that was in the toolbox. Nothing from the cab.

https://i.imgur.com/0JEyOei.jpg

If you want an itemized list I can do that for you.

But the important thing is for me in my line of work, I need this shit. I need this shit stable going down the road and accessible when it isn't. And I need the EV to handle the shit I put it through reliably.

But yeah. Your comments about toolboxes being impossible to organize is fairly offensive to a guy that has some cheap tools, put them in a cheap pickup and is trying to make a living with them.

So while sitting in the hospital today I did some research on what I mean by this truck won’t work like my current 3/4 much less the 1 ton on the farm.

The Tesla would not work for hauling due to the time constraints and mileage we put in hauling to sale. It is around 75 miles round trip from the chute on the farm to the chute at the sale barn. I pass 4 gas stations on my way there and same 4 on the way back, 8 opportunities to fill up. Absolutely no chargers anywhere close to my route, it would be about an 1.5 hours out of the way to get to a charger. We load trailers up to 17,500-20,000 lbs each time, and we make around 5-6 trips the day before the sale. So roughly 350-420 miles in a day, while under the 500 mile range, it would blow through that battery way quicker. I’m expecting 250 fully maxed out for that trucks range.

I do not have time to stop hauling to charge a truck up for an hour, whenever I can fill the truck up a few times in a total of 30 mins throughout the day.

Now if it turns out the Tesla can still get 300 plus fully maxed towing, they start making a flatbed to go on the back, our contract with the current sale barn runs out, cattle prices rise, they put Super Chargers up instead of the Destination Chargers around the route, then I will seriously sit down and consider it

What’s with the hospital, Mac?

Simple. Just install a 40 amp circuit near where you load. Charge while you load. You'll be good. You won't even need an electrician as I know you do as you damned well please. Farms are notoriously shady places to do electrical work. [emoji23]

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You've set the standard so far. Kudos to you being able to keep it this way. Guessing yours are the only filthy mitts digging in there though, no? For the most part at least.

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Yep. My filthy mitts are the only ones.

I could get a service body box on a 3/4 ton, but I rarely pull much other than my 4 wheeler or occasionally a 600 gal fuel trailer, which it pulls fine. But I put quite a few miles on unloaded, except for the tools of course. And a lot of them are on unrocked trailroads this REALLY don’t need the extra weight, plus this is a pretty cheap setup so it’s what I’m rolling with.

An EV would serve me well. But it has to hold all this crap and not screw with me when I’m busy. Those aren’t huge criteria but they’re important.

My bigger rig needs to be able to get 2-4 people to Denver and Louisville nearly non stop while pulling a live load. The current 3/4 ton does not even stop for fuel while loaded, but does normally switch drivers and hit a bathrooms. Stopping for 30 minutes to charge is out of the question and could be dangerous during the summer. It's just a normal single tire, manual, mega cab, 3/4 ton, cummins with an auxiliary plumbed in. Nothing special, yet this truck can not replace it. Looking at the angles of those bed rails, I'm not even sure the Tesla can pull two of my trailers as they just barely clear a normal cabbed truck.

My smaller 3/4 ton rig has to be able to haul just about everything you see in the above pics plus 150 gallon L in front and under that toolbox. My shit is no where near as organizes as above, but it has to be there when I need it even if it takes me a while to find it. Over the years it's become obvious it has to be a straight cab for maneuverability, be able to clear and light up 33-35" rubber, and hang a ton off it's rear bumper every single day of the year without breaking in half. It does not see a lot of miles, but gets treated like a baja truck and absolutely can't break down. It also has to be able to drive an engine driven/mounted hydraulic pump for brief periods every day, which I'm sure could be rigged to run off a mounted auxiliary electric motor of some form on the Tesla. I would absolutely love to replace this truck with an electric for many reasons and wouldn't even care how bad it looks like ass because it is going to get beat to shit anyways. Is the bed even going to be removable on the Tesla? If not, that eliminates it for me and thousands of others right from the start. While we're wishing, I'd also like to be able to strip every single extra bell and whistle off it except for the back up camera on the hitch. They could even leave the floors bare and I'd coat them with bed liner.

Unless I'm missing something, it could probably replace my dad's 3/4 as he's basically been forced to retire due to health. His trips are basically the farmer's version of grocery getting anymore and rarely gets over 10k and 100 miles from home anymore. I can't think of a single thing he does that this truck couldn't do, assuming it can pull two of my trailers, but it better be able to make his 200 mile round trips without stopping to charge or he just might light it on fire out of frustration. I would be concerned about how easily they're going to make this thing to get in and out of. A lot of old worn out farmers and construction workers basically fall out of their trucks. They're old, tired, worn out, and won't buy anything that requires work to get in and out of. The steering wheel better be strong enough for them to grab and drag themselves into the cab as well.

I assume this truck is not targeting these markets. That's fine, but don't go blowing smoke up this markets ass with "it can do anything a normal truck does" when we know it can't.

We don’t load trailers while connected to a truck, we rotate trailers.

You show up, drop the trailer you have back under a loaded one and leave. Then a tractor with a ball picks up the empty and backs it to the chute. That trailer is then loaded behind the tractor until the next truck arrives, then it starts over. The trucks don’t stop long enough to charge at the farm, if they had a charger on the way that would put 35 miles on in 10 mins our average length of gas stop that would be nice


Also it needs to be able to tow about 4000 lbs more for it to make it past the first requirement I have for it

What farms are notorious for shady electric work? How do you know I do what I please?

This thread-
One last time
Repeat after me..

It Is Not a Truck
And Musk is crazy

Thats not a truck. Its a nightmare of beta male proportions..

Meh...

I just bought a new Toyota mini van.

What could be cooler than that?

I wouldn’t expect anyone that depends on their truck for their livelihood to be an early adopter of any electric truck, but I think there is an enormous market for this among people who use their trucks for recreation. As the technology gets proven and more customized options get introduced, I expect that work trucks will start to get replaced as well.

I don't need no internet, I love writing and mailing letters!

Which is pretty much the position that I've taken, but then you've got dudes like aturnis saying THERE IS NOTHING A GASSER CAN DO THAT THIS CAN'T. and TOOLBOXES ARE WORTHLESS that I feel compelled to push back on.

At least the rivian truck looks like one. I hate the short bed though dammit.

https://rivian.com/

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Look! It's a $40K grill!

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I wonder what proportion of people with trucks use it for truck purposes. I live in the middle of a city so my perspective is skewed, but the trucks I see are not fording creeks or hauling cattle trailers.

In more rural areas, you undoubtedly have a lot more working trucks. But even in a small town I have a feeling that half of the trucks are purchased as a style choice rather than a need.

Mine (suburban area) was purchased for a specific need, but the mileage is so awful that it only gets used for those specific needs, and it sits more than it gets driven. If it was, say, electric, it would actually replace another car of mine as well. With that in mind, I did reserve a Cybertruck.

Undoubtably most are not used for much but hauling home occasional lumber or appliances etc. A working truck has signs it will be banged up a bit exterior. There will be dirt in wheel wells and underneath their driveway will have big chunks of mud that has dropped from underneath. This is because finding a old style wand coin operated wash is hard they are going instinct. When you do find one the they might boot you because it's hard on there drainage system.

I have a truck that I use for hunting fishing and camping. My work furnished truck I have been all over the most the lower 48 plus portions of Canada. I'd rather fly or travel comfortably but the equiptment and gear have to get there somehow. I drive a truck as little as possible when home.

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I'd bet it's more than half. KC is full of people spending discretionary income on large vehicles that are essentially glorified cars. There's even a lot of four door dually trucks with balls on the bumpers that look like they've never even had a trailer hooked to them and when you look over the bed rail the bed mat doesn't even have a hole cut in it for a gooseneck ball. I find it rather amusing considering when you push a pencil to some of these vehicles the cost per mile driven is quite substantial.

I also wonder how many of the people who put a deposit down realize just how big this truck is. It's not going to fit in some garages and they're going to get to learn just how fun it is taking one of these trucks to the grocery store when they try to pull into the parking spaces.

My s10 is for ladders,etc...pound the miles on ..oops spilled a coke oh well work truck.

My Elco gets pulled out on occasion.

I've ordered one. The two motor version will suffice.

I'm going to Mad Max the hell out of it.

You didn't order one. All you did was contribute to giving Musk a 0% interest loan he can fund another project with.

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My truck is used to drive to and from work most days. But keep in mind that farming is not the only legitimate use for a truck. I have used mine for towing a camper and a motorcycle trailer. I have used to it haul a bunch of different things over the years including lumber, flooring, roofing shingles, trash, appliances, and on and on. It's also the designated vehicle for taking my dogs on a ride.

While true, the idea that $20 million (200k deposits x $100) makes any difference at all to a company worth $80 billion is laughable. It's much more about the marketing value (i.e., creating headlines) and demand forecasting than the interest on the deposits.

Back in the day, it was a Mustang, a Challenger, hell - even a Ford Explorer. However, as age creeped in, I began to realize that I was constantly trying to fit ladders and the like in these small assed trunks.

So, since the late 80s - I have been a truck guy. Don't have to haul something everyday - but it was sure a godsend to pickup and drop off a 9 foot Christmas tree..... :thumb:

I placed an order that at least preserves the FSD at 7k. $100 is not much to sacrifice to do so.

If Musk wants to jerk off with my $100 deposit, I don't really care.

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Would you buy a truck from this guy?

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https://fortune.com/2020/07/01/tesla...ker-elon-musk/

This has got to infuriate Bep.

funny, after this came out a few days back

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/aut...urvey-n1232055

I'm not surprised that Tesla fared poorly - though they are good about fixing things, they're well known for having lots of little issues. I'm more surprised at Dodge and Kia topping the list. That's...hard to believe.

Kia's have been great cars in recent years. They've come a long way from the crap they built 15-20 years ago. Dodge, yeah that's a bit of a surprise.

It probably has to do with the frequency. My automatic door handles fail all the time. They fixed it in the newer models but Tesla has fixed it for free the last two times it happened. Had to replace them 3 times. They have a mobile service and come out and fix it while I'm at my house or something though, so not too bad.

I have no complaints with what I've experienced so far with that exception.

When is the first Tesla truck actually expected to ship?

What do we think the implications are of this from last week? Who's going to benefit?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/califor...and-van-sales/

California regulators approved new rules on Thursday that would force automakers to sell more electric work trucks and delivery vans, a first-of-its-kind rule aimed at helping the nation's most populous state clean up its worst-in-the-nation air quality.

The rules, which would not take effect until 2024, will require at least 40% of all tractor trailers sold in California to be zero emission by 2035. For smaller trucks, including models like the Ford F-250, 55% of all sales would be zero emission by 2035. The standard is the toughest for delivery trucks and vans, with 75% of sales required to be zero emission by 2035.

California already has similar rules in place for passenger vehicle sales. But no one has yet imposed rules like these for work trucks, which unlike passenger vehicles are purchased with the intent of returning a profit.

At the last minute, the board also set a goal of making government fleets and last mile delivery trucks entirely electric five years earlier than previously envisioned, by 2035.

(More at link.)

Their claim, or when it'll actually ship?

You know, the Tesla Truck would be a very effective way to avoid getting shot by Antifa and BLM. When they are blocking the street, you can drive slowly through, pestering them about, without fear from being shot through your bulletproof vehicle.

Cheapest way to buy a tank.

That's an interesting take.

Late 2021 in theory.

Why in the world did you put that in red font? It's virtually unreadable if you're using ChiefsPlanet Dark. Argh.

We’ve got a 2019 Sorento that’s been fantastic


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Sounds like California is going to lose all its truck sales.

To communicate that I didn't write it. It was the ethical thing to do. You should come to the light.

The wife drove her 2006 Sorento until 4 months ago. Again, MO complaints. Just change the oil, do the maintenance, and don't drive like a wild person and most cars will last.

Eh, maybe. IF they can get electric trucks worked out, they'll likely be very competitive. In an industry in which the bottom line rules, the cheap cost of electricity and low maintenance would be a huge bonus.

Yeah you really think electricity is going to stay cheap ? California already has brown outs in summer time. Or how bout when the wind starts blowing and they half to shut down so it doesn’t burn up? Oh yeah how we going to make all this cheap electricity? They don’t want nukes and coal is to dirty .I don’t get it windmills and solar panels ain’t going to cut it

I put down my $100 option on one. Maybe I can flip it.

It does look like it might have a high center of gravity.

I have had a 2006 Dodge Durango for the last 10 years and that thing might be the best, most reliable vehicle I’ve had. Very underrated for as reliable and low-maintenance as it’s been. My newer 2017 Ram 2500 has had a bunch of recalls and warranty work already so they aren’t all made so well, at least those repairs didn’t cost anything!

They are not low maintenance really. They are worse for the environment when you calculate that the batteries cannot be truly disposed of or recycled. Look at how bad the Prius and others like it are for the planet.

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You're uninformed on this. You can find all sorts of information if you care to look for it, but here's one that took 5 seconds of Googling to find. While manufacturing processes do create environmental impacts (which is true of any product), the only way an EV will ever be worse for the environment than a gas vehicle is if you just ignore tailpipe emissions entirely (and even then, EVs aren't MUCH worse than gas vehicles).

On top of that, EVs get cleaner over time. On the manufacturing side, that's due to better efficiencies and innovation. (Remember that EVs are really still in their infancy, so manufacturing is improving rapidly.) On the use side, it's also being driven by the fact that the power grid is rapidly getting cleaner due to more wind, solar, etc. being added.

So in short, the argument that EVs are worse for the environment has always been BS, but it's becoming even more BS as time goes on.

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Until California taxes the duck balls out of electricity. Because California.

Cost of ownership is way way less on a Tesla than a ICE. I have both. Trust me. Look up Tesla Loop study. The cost of ownership and maintenance required was very little.

Don't Californians already have some of the highest electric rates in the country? i think they pay the 7th highest rate in the country due to all the stupid regulations the state puts on to ensure electric utilities get a minimum amount of $$ for electricity use.

P.S the cybertruck is ugly AF.

You are pretty rational guy and I enjoy reading your posts but your way off base on this power supply. I have a couple of windmills on some of my land and I’d advise you to do some research before you believe in them. If it wasn’t for govt subsidies they wouldn’t be a thing, I’ll go on cashing the checks but it’s a joke. I’ve also spent a good chunk of my life building power house’s of all kinds , while we’ve cleaned coal up it must not be good enough as we couldn’t get permits to build a new one here in Ks . They won’t build any new nukes so I don’t know where all this new energy is going to come from if they shut the oil down. I can damn sure promise you it ain’t coming from solar or wind, no matter how much of that smoke they want to try and blow up your ass.I also have oil production and if shit don’t change pretty quick all of are oil producers are going to be broke at these prices.