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Coochie liquor 08-12-2019 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14391891)
She should have asked, "So with all these new weapons- do you think you will throw more TD's than INT and Fumbles this year?" TOPLESS

FYP

raidersnumber1 08-13-2019 12:04 AM

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don't tell Scotty!



Louis Riddick

@LRiddickESPN
Looking at the @Raiders up close and personal today, let me assure you of this: this team is light years more talented than their team from 2018. They have athletes all over the field and a nice blend of young sprinkled with experience. They are no doubt my “surprise” team ‘19.

New World Order 08-13-2019 02:06 AM

They’ll surprise a lot of people if they win more than 4 games.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-13-2019 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 14392392)
They’ll surprise a lot of people if they win more than 4 games.

Set turd buffer to "extreme polish" selection!

lawrenceRaider 08-13-2019 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 14392392)
They’ll surprise a lot of people if they win more than 7 games.

FYP. 7 is likely to be the top without some crazy breaks going our way. We are better by a huge margin on offense. Defense should be better as well, but not enough.

Chris Meck 08-13-2019 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raidersnumber1 (Post 14392366)
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don't tell Scotty!



Louis Riddick

@LRiddickESPN
Looking at the @Raiders up close and personal today, let me assure you of this: this team is light years more talented than their team from 2018. They have athletes all over the field and a nice blend of young sprinkled with experience. They are no doubt my “surprise” team ‘19.

Riddick went on to praise the Raiders QB Rich Gannon who should have a big year, he said. Also, don't sleep on Jerry Rice and Tim Brown, and the running attack with Bo Jackson should be lethal.

Mecca 08-13-2019 09:33 AM

AB is asking twitter for some help...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;I&#39;m looking for a Schutt Air Advantage Adult Large Helmet that was manufactured in 2010 or after. In exchange I will trade a signed practice worn <a href="https://twitter.com/Raiders?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Raiders</a> helmet.&quot;</p>&mdash; AB (@AB84) <a href="https://twitter.com/AB84/status/1161285674865217536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 13, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Apparently there's a guy on reddit that has one...

New World Order 08-13-2019 09:36 AM

wtf LMAO

Mecca 08-13-2019 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 14392670)
wtf LMAO

I don't fault him, obviously he likes the helmet. A lot of the more padded newer models do obscure some of your vision.

Hammock Parties 08-13-2019 09:56 AM

this is cool as **** tbh

mcvay was an assistant on gruden's staff

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Beef Supreme 08-13-2019 10:26 AM

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KChiefs1 08-13-2019 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14392663)
AB is asking twitter for some help...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;I&#39;m looking for a Schutt Air Advantage Adult Large Helmet that was manufactured in 2010 or after. In exchange I will trade a signed practice worn <a href="https://twitter.com/Raiders?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Raiders</a> helmet.&quot;</p>— AB (@AB84) <a href="https://twitter.com/AB84/status/1161285674865217536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 13, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Apparently there's a guy on reddit that has one...



Seems strange.

GayFrogs 08-13-2019 08:30 PM

This hard knocks episode is embarrassing, seems like there's a bunch of underconfident players and no leaders

ShowtimeSBMVP 08-18-2019 03:55 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mike Mayock says Antonio Brown is not at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raiders?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Raiders</a> practice because he is upset with helmet issue. Says avenues for relief have been exhausted and it is time for Brown to decide whether he is all in, or all out.</p>&mdash; Paul Gutierrez (@PGutierrezESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/PGutierrezESPN/status/1163206459137507328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

FAX 08-18-2019 03:58 PM

Divas gonna diva.

FAX

FAX 08-18-2019 04:00 PM

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm beginning to feel a little sorry for Carr ...

He used to be the champ, but Brown takes whining to an entirely new and previously unknown level.

FAX

Coochie liquor 08-18-2019 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 14399900)
I never thought I'd say this, but I'm beginning to feel a little sorry for Carr ...

He used to be the champ, but Brown takes whining to an entirely new and previously unknown level.

FAX

Don’t leave Phyllis off the list, Mr Fax!

ChiliConCarnage 08-18-2019 04:04 PM

the Steelers have to be enjoying the **** out of this

FlorentinePogen 08-18-2019 04:04 PM

Vidya of Mayock's statement as posted above by Showtime

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Antonio Brown not here because he’s upset about helmet. Mike Mayock wants him back with team. He’s all in or he’s all out. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raiders?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Raiders</a> <a href="https://t.co/3eQejXQYfq">pic.twitter.com/3eQejXQYfq</a></p>&mdash; Vic Tafur (@VicTafur) <a href="https://twitter.com/VicTafur/status/1163206686598815744?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

FlaChief58 08-18-2019 04:14 PM

Watching the raid and drinks implode is magical. If the Chargers lay a rotten egg this year, it'll be the perfect trifecta. I'm not sure how I'll react if we win it all on top of that this year

stumppy 08-18-2019 04:27 PM

Bahahahahahahaha

Perfect

Kman34 08-18-2019 04:33 PM

Maybe Richie Incognito should have a talk with Brown...

jdubya 08-18-2019 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flachief58 (Post 14399910)
Watching the raid and drinks implode is magical. If the Chargers lay a rotten egg this year, it'll be the perfect trifecta. I'm not sure how I'll react if we win it all on top of that this year

I think what Mayock is doing is avoiding any implosion or cancer by drawing a clear line right now....before the season starts and before the locker room begins taking sides.

bigjosh 08-18-2019 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 14399935)
Maybe Richie Incognito should have a talk with Brown...

LOL. I dont think Incognito calling him the N word is going to help anything.

smithandrew051 08-18-2019 06:36 PM

I still think the Raiders need to sign Jonathan Martin

stumppy 08-18-2019 08:15 PM

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TribalElder 08-18-2019 08:39 PM

AB is scared of Burfict so he isn't coming to camp

what a ****show

Hog's Gone Fishin 08-18-2019 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beef Supreme (Post 14392773)


:LOL:

RealSNR 08-19-2019 12:00 AM

These are the Raiders' first 7 games of the regular season:

Denver
Kansas City
@ Minnesota
@ Indianapolis
Chicago (in London)
BYE
@ Green Bay
@ Houston

I'd say AT BEST they'll be 3-4 to start the season. More than likely that's a 2-5 stretch. Distinct possibility they could be 1-6.

To be nice to them, let's assume they start 3-4. So they have to at MINIMUM go 6-3 the rest of the way to go 9-7, which is typically the minimum to making the playoffs, and even then it's not guaranteed.

They have to go 6-3 against:

Detroit
LA Chargers
Cincinnati
@ New York Jets
@ Kansas City
Tennessee
Jacksonville
@ LA Chargers
@ Denver

I don't see it happening. They'll pick up some wins in there, but I don't see 6 of them. And that's assuming they managed to fart out 3 wins in the first 7 games.

O.city 08-19-2019 08:28 AM

That's a pretty tough schedule. I dont' know that I see more than 4 wins there. And that's being a bit optimistic.

smithandrew051 08-19-2019 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14400493)
That's a pretty tough schedule. I dont' know that I see more than 4 wins there. And that's being a bit optimistic.

4 is probably a safe bet.

I could see 6 or maybe 7 if the team really comes together and plays better than their talent level.

I could also see like an 0-4 start leading to a full implosion and a 2-14 record.

O.city 08-19-2019 08:50 AM

They'll be better on offense I think, they've got talent there if Carr can play well.

Defensively the DB's are pretty good really, but that front 7 is just awful.

-King- 08-19-2019 08:52 AM

Looking at that schedule, if EVERYTHING goes perfectly for them, they win 6 games. But realistically I see 4 wins

RunKC 08-19-2019 11:11 AM

Holy shit. Peter King got duped by Barry ROFL

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LOL Barry got Peter King! <a href="https://t.co/MmPolXqgnL">pic.twitter.com/MmPolXqgnL</a></p>&mdash; Bird Law Expert (@RealBirdLawyer) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealBirdLawyer/status/1163261528549625856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 19, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

ToxSocks 08-19-2019 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14400697)
Holy shit. Peter King got duped by Barry ROFL

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LOL Barry got Peter King! <a href="https://t.co/MmPolXqgnL">pic.twitter.com/MmPolXqgnL</a></p>&mdash; Bird Law Expert (@RealBirdLawyer) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealBirdLawyer/status/1163261528549625856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 19, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Who's Barry?

saphojunkie 08-19-2019 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14400834)
Who's Barry?

Barry McCockiner.

It's a fake Ian Rappoport account (notice the spelling). That's a fake tweet about Antonio Brown. Peter King is just too thick to have noticed it didn't have a blue checkmark before retweeting.

Hoopsdoc 08-19-2019 12:55 PM

On another board I asked this and now it’s time to seek the wise counsel of Chiefsplanet-which team will be the bigger dumpster fire this season, the Raiders or the Browns?

Hoopsdoc 08-19-2019 12:57 PM

Moar pleese.

Tribal Warfare 08-19-2019 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stumppy (Post 14400173)

I honestly thought all the A.B. bullshit this morning was a rerun on ESPN

TribalElder 08-19-2019 07:45 PM

Holy
****

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/...878097921?s=21

What a disaster of dysfunction ROFL

Source: #Raiders WR Antonio Briwn has filed another grievance against the NFL, arguing that he should be afforded the same right provided to other NFL players to have a 1-year grace period to phase out his helmet in 2019 season. He claims the NFL is arbitrarily applying rules.

InChiefsHeaven 08-19-2019 07:47 PM

That dude has to be trying to get out of playing for the Raydurs...I mean, come on man...

Skyy God 08-19-2019 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 14400934)
Moar pleese.

Who dat??

TribalElder 08-19-2019 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell (Post 14401669)
That dude has to be trying to get out of playing for the Raydurs...I mean, come on man...

He knows he ****ed up by leaving shittsburgh

Hammock Parties 08-21-2019 08:06 AM

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Chris Meck 08-21-2019 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 14400932)
On another board I asked this and now it’s time to seek the wise counsel of Chiefsplanet-which team will be the bigger dumpster fire this season, the Raiders or the Browns?

uh, Raiders. Not even close.

Browns will go 10-6.

Coochie liquor 08-22-2019 07:53 PM

Faders plying on an 80 yard field. Still only putting 10 points up. Where’s that idiot FadersNumber2 at? I’m sure he’s blowing smoke up someones ass while claiming the preseason championship.

MMXcalibur 08-22-2019 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 14405470)
Faders plying on an 80 yard field. Still only putting 10 points up. Where’s that idiot FadersNumber2 at? I’m sure he’s blowing smoke up someones ass while claiming the preseason championship.

LMAO LMAO LMAO

Shorten it to 60 and they might put up 13?

JohnnyHammersticks 08-22-2019 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14391887)

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Rasputin 08-25-2019 07:48 PM

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Chris Meck 08-26-2019 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 14405529)

too fat-CP

lawrenceRaider 08-26-2019 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 14405470)
Faders plying on an 80 yard field. Still only putting 10 points up. Where’s that idiot FadersNumber2 at? I’m sure he’s blowing smoke up someones ass while claiming the preseason championship.

Did you shoot too early? Bet your partners don't dig that. :thumb:

Considering no Raiders starters played at all, can't take much from anything from the preseason.

Hell, I think the Raiders starting offense has two series, one in each of the first games, and both went for TD's. That won't continue in the regular season. Still going to be the most improved offense in the NFL. With the Colts losing Luck, I'm now predicting 8-8 for the Raiders as the most likely scenario with 9-7 an outside chance.

Sofa King 08-26-2019 09:08 AM

https://www.complex.com/sports/2019/...dorsement-deal

I hate 2019....



Antonio Brown found out Sunday that his second grievance against the NFL in an effort to wear his preferred choice of helmet, the Schutt AiR Advantage, this upcoming season was rejected. While it appeared he was simply making a mountain out of a molehill with this ongoing helmet disagreement, the Oakland Raiders star wide receiver has made this molehill of an issue into a mountain of cash.
ProFootballTalk reports Brown will choose from multiple companies that are creating a customized helmet for him, and they will even pay for him to wear it.


Brown's primary complaint about the newly certified helmets was that they protrude out and interfere with his vision when he tries to catch the football. While the 10-year-old Schutt AiR Advantage—the helmet he has worn throughout his career—didn't present these problems, the NFL could no longer approve it because, in compliance with their National Operating Committee for Standards and Athletic Equipment policy, the league wouldn't allow players to wear a helmet older than 10 years.
Brown’s agent Drew Rosenhaus revealed in an interview on SiriusXM NFL radio earlier Sunday that their public dispute ended with "a happy ending" that will conclude with him "getting paid a lot of money."

lawrenceRaider 08-26-2019 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 14409991)
https://www.complex.com/sports/2019/...dorsement-deal

I hate 2019....



Antonio Brown found out Sunday that his second grievance against the NFL in an effort to wear his preferred choice of helmet, the Schutt AiR Advantage, this upcoming season was rejected. While it appeared he was simply making a mountain out of a molehill with this ongoing helmet disagreement, the Oakland Raiders star wide receiver has made this molehill of an issue into a mountain of cash.
ProFootballTalk reports Brown will choose from multiple companies that are creating a customized helmet for him, and they will even pay for him to wear it.


Brown's primary complaint about the newly certified helmets was that they protrude out and interfere with his vision when he tries to catch the football. While the 10-year-old Schutt AiR Advantage—the helmet he has worn throughout his career—didn't present these problems, the NFL could no longer approve it because, in compliance with their National Operating Committee for Standards and Athletic Equipment policy, the league wouldn't allow players to wear a helmet older than 10 years.
Brown’s agent Drew Rosenhaus revealed in an interview on SiriusXM NFL radio earlier Sunday that their public dispute ended with "a happy ending" that will conclude with him "getting paid a lot of money."

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lawrenceRaider 08-27-2019 07:34 AM

Holy crap, I just saw that Sammy Watkins cap hit is $4,241,667 MORE than Antonio Brown's hit in 2019.

That's insane.

DJ's left nut 08-27-2019 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 14411290)
Holy crap, I just saw that Sammy Watkins cap hit is $4,241,667 MORE than Antonio Brown's hit in 2019.

That's insane.

Yeah, the Chiefs overpaid for Watkins.

When all is said and done the Chiefs will have paid about $34 million for Watkins over 2 years; the Raiders will end up paying about $33 million for Brown over 2 years.

Y'all paid a little less for a better player. But we'll be paying what we're paying for a player that can alter our trajectory in the post-season and who could be instrumental in bringing a Lombardi to Kansas City.

You'll be paying what you're paying for a guy who could take you to 7 wins instead of 5.

So in terms of benefit per unit spent, I'm gonna say the Chiefs came out WELL ahead of the Raiders. Y'all are as irrelevant with Brown as you are without him. Well that's not entirely true - you're a little more relevant with Brown, but only in the same manner as being more relevant if your DC insisted on coaching every game with his dick hanging out.

You're pretty much just a funny little side show that the teams that matter point and laugh at. So Antonio's little helmet/foot issue has at least brought you guys some attention for a few weeks before the real games start and y'all are as quickly forgotten as the Buccaneers.

smithandrew051 08-27-2019 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 14411290)
Holy crap, I just saw that Sammy Watkins cap hit is $4,241,667 MORE than Antonio Brown's hit in 2019.

That's insane.

Unless he agrees to a massive restructure, this is his last year in KC. That’s why the Hardman pick made sense beyond Tyreek’s situation.

Wouldn’t shock me if the Chiefs took another receiver in the second or third next year as well.

Need to keep Mahomes stocked with weapons.

lawrenceRaider 08-27-2019 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14411325)
Yeah, the Chiefs overpaid for Watkins.

When all is said and done the Chiefs will have paid about $34 million for Watkins over 2 years; the Raiders will end up paying about $33 million for Brown over 2 years.

Y'all paid a little less for a better player. But we'll be paying what we're paying for a player that can alter our trajectory in the post-season and who could be instrumental in bringing a Lombardi to Kansas City.

You'll be paying what you're paying for a guy who could take you to 7 wins instead of 5.

So in terms of benefit per unit spent, I'm gonna say the Chiefs came out WELL ahead of the Raiders. Y'all are as irrelevant with Brown as you are without him. Well that's not entirely true - you're a little more relevant with Brown, but only in the same manner as being more relevant if your DC insisted on coaching every game with his dick hanging out.

You're pretty much just a funny little side show that the teams that matter point and laugh at. So Antonio's little helmet/foot issue has at least brought you guys some attention for a few weeks before the real games start and y'all are as quickly forgotten as the Buccaneers.

Nice rationalization.

You could have picked up a WR for half what you paid Watkins and got the same benefit. Tyrel Williams for example is at least as good as Watkins, and getting about 58% of what you paid Watkins.

That other 8 MILLION dollars more that you over paid Watkins could be a pretty good defender that may have made the difference in a Superbowl appearance last year, or this year.

staylor26 08-27-2019 08:27 AM

Tyrell Williams is “at least as good as Watkins”?

LMAO

Get a ****ing clue moron.

O.city 08-27-2019 08:31 AM

I do think Tyrell is a good WR, nice #2.

He's not a potential 1 though, Watkins is. Watkins is all about health, but when we're paying our QB peanuts, it's fine.

DJ's left nut 08-27-2019 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 14411333)
Nice rationalization.

You could have picked up a WR for half what you paid Watkins and got the same benefit. Tyrel Williams for example is at least as good as Watkins, and getting about 58% of what you paid Watkins.

That other 8 MILLION dollars more that you over paid Watkins could be a pretty good defender that may have made the difference in a Superbowl appearance last year, or this year.

Williams has a larger cap hit this season than Watkins had last season. So no, Watkins contract had no bearing whatsoever on last season; his figure was minimal. We also have about $20 million in cap space available now so it clearly has no impact on this season.

And the idea that Williams is as good as Watkins barely warrants mentioning.

Just like the Raiders.

TwistedChief 08-27-2019 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 14411333)
Nice rationalization.

You could have picked up a WR for half what you paid Watkins and got the same benefit. Tyrel Williams for example is at least as good as Watkins, and getting about 58% of what you paid Watkins.

That other 8 MILLION dollars more that you over paid Watkins could be a pretty good defender that may have made the difference in a Superbowl appearance last year, or this year.

In 2019, you are paying David Carr 1.18mm per 2018 TD pass.

In 2019, we are paying Patrick Mahones 89.6k per 2018 TD pass.

You could've picked up another QB to throw a glowing 19 TDs for you last year and probably paid him half as much. Then you could've used that other ~11mm you overpaid for Carr and filled out the depth on your talent-less roster.

See how easy it is to cherrypick? Those with Derek Carr at QB shouldn't throw stones.

DJ's left nut 08-27-2019 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14411326)
Unless he agrees to a massive restructure, this is his last year in KC. That’s why the Hardman pick made sense beyond Tyreek’s situation.

Wouldn’t shock me if the Chiefs took another receiver in the second or third next year as well.

Need to keep Mahomes stocked with weapons.

I expect next season will be a CB and OL heavy draft for the Chiefs.

OT's take a bit to develop and if you want options to potentially replace Fisher if he's asking too much, you need to get ahead of the curve. So you draft one next year (and probably another interior OL) and then maybe even another 1st or 2nd day the year after that to address Schwartz.

I'm wondering if the Chiefs didn't see what just happened to Indy and see the dark specter of what could be if they focus too much on toys. Yes, it's important to keep Mahomes well-stocked; it's more important to keep him intact.

lawrenceRaider 08-27-2019 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14411336)
Tyrell Williams is “at least as good as Watkins”?

LMAO

Get a ****ing clue moron.

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14411340)
I do think Tyrell is a good WR, nice #2.

He's not a potential 1 though, Watkins is. Watkins is all about health, but when we're paying our QB peanuts, it's fine.

I'm mostly just messing with you fellas.

However, on Watkins, when was he last a legit #1? His inability to stay healthy is why he simply isn't a #1 WR.

Look at his career stats.

http://www.nfl.com/player/sammywatki...57/careerstats

Look at the numbers Tyrell Williams put up the year he was the last WR standing in San Diego.

Williams career stats

http://www.nfl.com/player/tyrellwill...13/careerstats

O.city 08-27-2019 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14411364)
I expect next season will be a CB and OL heavy draft for the Chiefs.

OT's take a bit to develop and if you want options to potentially replace Fisher if he's asking too much, you need to get ahead of the curve. So you draft one next year (and probably another interior OL) and then maybe even another 1st or 2nd day the year after that to address Schwartz.

I'm wondering if the Chiefs didn't see what just happened to Indy and see the dark specter of what could be if they focus too much on toys. Yes, it's important to keep Mahomes well-stocked; it's more important to keep him intact.

Thing is, as long as Mahomes is here, especially with Andy as the HC the Chiefs will be an offensive team. They aren't gonna be a team built on the defense. Now, hopefully as Mahomes gets more seasoned, he can do more with a little less and that allows some more resources put into the defense.

But you've gotta always have him stocked.

lawrenceRaider 08-27-2019 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 14411350)
In 2019, you are paying David Carr 1.18mm per 2018 TD pass.

In 2019, we are paying Patrick Mahones 89.6k per 2018 TD pass.

You could've picked up another QB to throw a glowing 19 TDs for you last year and probably paid him half as much. Then you could've used that other ~11mm you overpaid for Carr and filled out the depth on your talent-less roster.

See how easy it is to cherrypick? Those with Derek Carr at QB shouldn't throw stones.

Our roster was such a dumpster fire last year, 11mm wouldn't have helped.

O.city 08-27-2019 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 14411370)
I'm mostly just messing with you fellas.

However, on Watkins, when was he last a legit #1? His inability to stay healthy is why he simply isn't a #1 WR.

Look at his career stats.

http://www.nfl.com/player/sammywatki...57/careerstats

Look at the numbers Tyrell Williams put up the year he was the last WR standing in San Diego.

Williams career stats

http://www.nfl.com/player/tyrellwill...13/careerstats

Watkins first couple years with the Bills he was legit when healthy.

Williams had a great year in 16 IIRC, but he's never really had to be the guy that draws the #1.

lawrenceRaider 08-27-2019 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14411378)
Watkins first couple years with the Bills he was legit when healthy.

Williams had a great year in 16 IIRC, but he's never really had to be the guy that draws the #1.

He was in 16, everyone else for the Chargers was hurt.

He still put up better numbers than Watkins in 17 & 18 while being the 3rd WR in San Diego.

lawrenceRaider 08-27-2019 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14411364)
I expect next season will be a CB and OL heavy draft for the Chiefs.

OT's take a bit to develop and if you want options to potentially replace Fisher if he's asking too much, you need to get ahead of the curve. So you draft one next year (and probably another interior OL) and then maybe even another 1st or 2nd day the year after that to address Schwartz.

I'm wondering if the Chiefs didn't see what just happened to Indy and see the dark specter of what could be if they focus too much on toys. Yes, it's important to keep Mahomes well-stocked; it's more important to keep him intact.

I hope so on the OL. It would be a crime against all football fans if the Chiefs don't build an OL to protect Mahomes longterm.

DJ's left nut 08-27-2019 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14411372)
Thing is, as long as Mahomes is here, especially with Andy as the HC the Chiefs will be an offensive team. They aren't gonna be a team built on the defense. Now, hopefully as Mahomes gets more seasoned, he can do more with a little less and that allows some more resources put into the defense.

But you've gotta always have him stocked.

But if your D isn't giving up 31 PPG, your QB doesn't have to drop back 50 times/gm either. Or more critically, doesn't have to take those longer, more aggressive drop-backs and scramble about to keep plays alive.

A stronger defense gives Mahomes the ability to play a more controlled style that won't necessarily be less productive - it will simply keep him from taking as many hits.

There are many ways to keep Mahomes healthy but it's probably most critical to maintain a balance all around. If you become overloaded one direction or another, you're going to start undermining some of your gains.

O.city 08-27-2019 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14411418)
But if your D isn't giving up 31 PPG, your QB doesn't have to drop back 50 times/gm either. Or more critically, doesn't have to take those longer, more aggressive drop-backs and scramble about to keep plays alive.

A stronger defense gives Mahomes the ability to play a more controlled style that won't necessarily be less productive - it will simply keep him from taking as many hits.

There are many ways to keep Mahomes healthy but it's probably most critical to maintain a balance all around. If you become overloaded one direction or another, you're going to start undermining some of your gains.

Sure, but that's just ****ing hard to do.

In an ideal setting, there will be some ebbs and flows with it. Look at the Pats for instance. There are years they're more offensively inclined, and years where the D carries a little more.

Due to the cap and draft and all the moving parts, you've just gotta be able to flow with the changes.

DJ's left nut 08-27-2019 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14411420)
Sure, but that's just ****ing hard to do.

In an ideal setting, there will be some ebbs and flows with it. Look at the Pats for instance. There are years they're more offensively inclined, and years where the D carries a little more.

Due to the cap and draft and all the moving parts, you've just gotta be able to flow with the changes.

Being hard to do doesn't mean you shouldn't try.

They have to address CB - they just do. They've let that position atrophy to the point that things will get WORSE next year. They cannot continue to hope/pray that it cleans itself up.

And the Luck situation, the FA of Fisher in a couple years, the unsteadiness on the interior and the fact that Schwartz is approaching his decline years means that they've gone light on addressing the OL for as long as they can/should as well. Street FAs, waiver pickups, lotto tickets and late round draft picks is all they've really done on the OL since 2016 and that's far more runway than they could reasonably expect to have.

It's time to put some capital into the OL and the CB. They're gonna spend huge cap money to keep Hill, they used a 2nd on Hardman, they've used a 3rd on Conley, a 4th on Hardman, they threw a luxury item contract at Watkins. Over the last 3-4 years they've put a HELL of a lot more at toys.

They're more fun, but the fun has gone on long enough now. Time for someone to be an adult in the room and say "okay, we've used ours lack on the OL and CB; let's meaningfully address it now..."

O.city 08-27-2019 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14411427)
Being hard to do doesn't mean you shouldn't try.

They have to address CB - they just do. They've let that position atrophy to the point that things will get WORSE next year. They cannot continue to hope/pray that it cleans itself up.

And the Luck situation, the FA of Fisher in a couple years, the unsteadiness on the interior and the fact that Schwartz is approaching his decline years means that they've gone light on addressing the OL for as long as they can/should as well. Street FAs, waiver pickups, lotto tickets and late round draft picks is all they've really done on the OL since 2016 and that's far more runway than they could reasonably expect to have.

It's time to put some capital into the OL and the CB. They're gonna spend huge cap money to keep Hill, they used a 2nd on Hardman, they've used a 3rd on Conley, a 4th on Hardman, they threw a luxury item contract at Watkins. Over the last 3-4 years they've put a HELL of a lot more at toys.

They're more fun, but the fun has gone on long enough now. Time for someone to be an adult in the room and say "okay, we've used ours lack on the OL and CB; let's meaningfully address it now..."

For sure.

I would go pretty heavy on both ASAP. A developmental tackle would probably have to come in the 1st or 2nd round, sadly it seems you probably have to wait til you need one to take one there.

But next years draft should probably go some combo of CB, T, and C.

Fill in the rest however you need to.

It's also kind of why I was trying to justify the Hill trade speculation. He's so god damn good that I don't think you can do it, but I can atleast see the side where it might make some sense.

Hammock Parties 08-28-2019 08:41 AM

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In58men 08-28-2019 08:43 AM

Pat clearly changing the game

Pasta Little Brioni 08-28-2019 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 14411377)
Our roster was such a dumpster fire last year, 11mm wouldn't have helped.

It's dogshit too this year, beaker.

Pasta Little Brioni 08-28-2019 08:47 AM

What a shit Faid team once again....love it

lawrenceRaider 08-28-2019 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 14412597)
It's dogshit too this year, beaker.

Your envy is funny.

On the Raiders, not good yet, but far better than we were last year.

I guess we'll see on 9/15 how much better than last year.

Pasta Little Brioni 08-28-2019 10:31 AM

They aren't better...

Buehler445 08-28-2019 11:52 AM

Holy ****. If I ever need somebody politely eviscerated, I’m going to have DJ and Twisted craft the language. The was brutal.

lawrenceRaider 08-28-2019 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 14412707)
They aren't better...

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