If $100 is nothing to you.....then shut the **** up about the deal.

Seriously....I want Doomy to post the e-mail transcripts just so you look like even more of a jackass.

And you are chiefscafan.....aren't you?

I am definitely exaggerating with 50 offers. I don't understand why it would be a huge deal for someone to say, "I am not interested in trading" or just don't answer the trades go away in like 2 days.

Besides Shorman, who is Chiefscafan? I'm assuming a douche.

How is that trade for Portis treating you?

I'm very confused by that trade. That was accepted after Portis was injured, unless chiefen chiefs didn't know he was hurt. Not sure how that deal makes any sense though.

I sent the owner of that team an email just in case he didn't know Portis was out 6 weeks when he accepted it. I'll push it through when I hear from him.

Whats the deal?

I'd have joined this league if I'd have known it was full of soccer fans.

Since when does a league commish do that? Are you going to let us know if a guy was traded or hurt that a guy was playing behind as well so we shouldn't trade him away? He sent me the offer and I think you are over stepping your authority on this one. If you let him back out of this one, then you need to let Shorman back out of his. You stated a trade could only be voided for collusion earlier in this threat. There is no collusion to help an 0-4 team.

Marshall
Portis

For

Colston
Bradshaw

That was my brother who made that trade. Portis wasn't the reason he made the trade though. Marshall was. He if I'm correct parted with Colston yes? He told me he was growing tired of Colston not doing much thus far this season and he though Marshall would be a better fit on his team at this point in time. Portis was just a filler since he traded away a RB in that trade also if I'm not mistaken. Having said that he's gonna have to get by with Peterson and Snelling as his main two backs it seems until Portis comes back. Portis's injury doesn't require surgery so I'd assume he' be back in about 6 weeks or so. Also I think my bro. just want to shake things up a bit on his team given he's 1-3 and all. Can't get to much worse I guess. I'm not anyone to really talk though. My record is also 1-3. Got some catchin up to do I guess.

You're right, and I upheld the trade.

The commish shouldn't have to send a message like that, but I can't see any justification for this trade at all. It is awful on every possible level.

Perhaps you would like to start a poll in the Casino Planet about this one too. I would imagine your feedback would be much different on this than the last one you posted, that most people said it was pretty even.

Yes, he traded away a top 10 back in Bradshaw as well as Colston.

Yea Bradshaw that's who it was he traded away...I knew it was someone good. The Colston for Marshall part of the deal I think by season's end will be pretty even...Colston hasn't done much yet but he'll come on eventually I think. He could have a good matchup this week against a weak Ariz. secondary actually. At the same time Marshall has been putting up some decent stats to this point. I'm not really sure how similar his and Colston' stats are right now but I think last time I checked Marshall's numbers were a bit ahead of Colston's at this point in time. Again don't hold me to that. I can tell you though that he thinks there's too many weapons in NO fantasy wise and that's why Colston hasn't produced much yet this season. Basically he just grew impatient. I still think he and Marshall are pretty even fantasy receivers by season's end. I think he also thought he'd have to throw in Bradshaw though to get Marshall's owner at time to bite on the trade. I told him try Colston for Marshall straight up first if he wanted him that bad and maybe throw in Snelling if he had to just to sweeten the deal but that from the get go Colston and Bradshaw was too much to give up unless he knew for sure that he had to. That's kind of my take on it as far as I understand it anyhow. If Portis was currently healthy, that deal would look a lot better for my brother I feel though. I'd still have to give the advantage to the team he traded with though. Colston and Bradshaw is a pretty darn sweet deal for him especially with the team he's already got.

Marshall is a much better fantasy receiver than Colston, and has been much better than him so far this season. I think you're right though and Colston will turn it on.

Bradshaw is a top 10 RB though, and pushes the deal so far out of whack it isn't funny.

There were like 2 comments on the trade LMAO

It's about on the same level, you and I both won our deals IMO. You just can't be hypocritical and accept deals where you win, but put on a hold on similar deals between others because you don't have a dog in the fight.

I would say that this deal was uneven if Portis was healthy. With Portis's groin disconnected from his bone and out 6 weeks, this is so uneven it isn't even justifiable.

As others in the poll you posted said, I won my deal, but it wasn't lopsided.

Should we see what people say about this one?

And besides, I pushed it through, so you can quit complaining about this now. I'm sure there will be something else to complain about soon enough.

That's what I tried to tell him. You dont give up too much if you don't have to...in a sense lowball the team your trying to trade with first. I don't necessarily mean lowball them to th point that you'd be screwing them over or anything. If the owner didn't like that deal I told him to start adding other players to the trade, Snelling or someone else for example...but never sell the farm right of the bat on a trade. Thats just ludacris. Also yea that's what I thought about Marshall's numbers to this point (him being better than Colston thus far I mean). I just wasn't for sure on that and didn't feel like looking it up to be honest. Lol.

That's fine, but you said trades could only be declined if collusion was suspected. Was collusion suspected here? I'm just trying to figure out which way we are going. Collusion, or the commish doesn't like the trade unless his team benefits, which standard are we going to use?

Also postion ranks don't mean jack after 4 weeks. Using early numbers or rankings to justify trades is dumb. A lot of trades are made based upon future expecations.

Well I'll just say this and use it as a hypothetical situation mind you. But if two teams are trading...one team is lets just say 1-3 and the other team is 3-1 or perhaps even 4-0. Now just imagine for a second the 3-1 team is getting the way better part of the trade, to the point where it's not even a remotely close trade. Why then would he or whomever the commish in this given situation allow the rich to get richer. I mean adding a stud receiver and stud back to an already stud team while the weaker team is getting ripped off (even though the weaker team proposed the trade) just doesn't seem right on some level. Now I'm not saying there's any truth to this or not...but I could see how some Commissioners of leagues if they can prevent the trades might look at it that way. That's just my theory anyway.

Exactly just don't cave in or give a worse deal like I did because your tired of arguing. I'm hoping that vjackson get traded to New England and if that happens I'm set again.

Exactly...well maybe not. I mean I definitely see what your getting at. I try not to put too much faith in numbers if the player is a stud fantasy player and isn't performing to expectations early in the season. Of course this can vary depending on certain situations I suppose. On the other hand if players are playing out of their mind early in the season and have been consistent doing so for a few games in a row, then I might put some faith behind such a player...take A. Foster for example. I didn't think he be nearly as unstoppable as he's been (in all fairness I'm sure not many out side of Hou. fans saw this one coming) but at this point I'd buy in and say he's the real deal even though he's only had a short sample size to work with thus far this season. Another example this year might be M. Clayton in Stl. A non factor for the first several years of his career for the most part, but since he's arrived in Stl. this year he's been putting up solid fantasy numbers week in and week out. I'd say he's the real deal this year, even though like I said sample size this season is short. Now does that make any sense what I'm trying to say?

Perhaps you missed my first reply to you here I started my post with you're right. That's why I pushed the trade through. Do you complain just to read your keystrokes?

I do feel that injury is a different animal and if a guy didn't know that a player just went on IR or was missing the rest of the season, then that's what I was saying. If you don't feel that taking advantage of a guy who didn't know Portis was missing the next 6 weeks or longer was a big deal, then more power to you.

The simple fact is that this trade was crazy lopsided one way. I don't like vetos and if the two people agree to a trade then thats fine. But there is no way you can compare this to Doomys and Shormans trade at all.

Oh, here we go again. You are a douche of epic proportions. You are just begging me to post our email transcripts to prove to everyone that we never once argued, you were never once coerced, and that you were the one to email me and say to be online in 15 minutes so we could hammer out the deal. Is that really what you want? If it isn't then you need to shut the **** up.

There is no reason for you to continue to try to throw me under the bus with your made up bullshit.

**** off.

By still going on and on about this you just look like a little bitch.

Well Doomy used points scored to justify his trade with Shorman and based on that.

Portis and Marshall = 109.9

Colston and Bradshaw = 105.3


It's even or I lose I guess :)

It's probably about time you did.

dude i'm not throwing you under the bus. I'm admitting I caved in like I shouldn't have. Just giving some advice thats it.

Your justification was future value. Portis future value is 0.

Yep, same thing. I know you're smarter than this. Let's not take into account that Portis may miss the rest of the season. I know you are trying hard to be difficult, but hopefully you can really see why I would make sure that deal was good. I would have sent you the same message if it had have been the other way.

Are there rumors of Jackson going to NE....I don't think I've heard of anything involving that story line. Hell I was almost sold at this point that Jackson wasn't gonna play at all this year. Even after his suspension's over. He might though you never know. NE probably would be a good fit for him too. I mean Brandon Tate isn't really a proven receiver just yet. He's a proven kick returner at this point, but he's still got to prove that NE was correct in trading Moss. Only way he can really do that is to justify the trade with his on field production. Now what I mean by that is if NE's offense doesn't skip a beat without Moss then they made the right decision and Tate as a receiver and not a returner has worked out pretty well for them. If their offense starts to stall a bit it means Tate isn't the answer opposite of Welker and then I can see them perhaps making a play for Jackson. Time will tell though whether Tate is the guy to fill Moss's shoes. Mind you those are pretty big shoes to fill.

Really a #1 WR and #2 RB (in 4-6 weeks) for a #3 WR and #2RB ins a PPR league?

I know, I said I'm applying the same standard Doomy used when evaluating his trade.

They are saying 4-6 weeks though, so I wouldn't say 0.

I'm just looking for things to be consistant. Is collusion or the commish's opinon the standard for vetoing? You've said it both ways. Is total points scored on a season a way to evaluate a trade, like you did, good for just you evaluating a trade or does that work for me to? Just looking for clarity. I'm just dumbfounded how this was even delayed.

There speculation about it, since New England has 8 picks in first four rounds. I didn't want wait a week miss him on waiver wire like Ricky Williams.

Maybe this will shut you up. Sure doesn't look like arguing or bugging you to me. I also attached the last two trade offers with his rankings of the offers before we started chatting.

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Trade declined in Chiefs Planet Big Money League

To: Relentless Bergers - Chad Dumas
From: Team Fubar - Matt Shorman

SHOR trades Santana Moss, Was WR to Bergers
SHOR trades Ryan Mathews, SD RB to Bergers
SHOR trades Knowshon Moreno, Den RB to Bergers
DUMA trades Jahvid Best, Det RB to Fubar
DUMA trades Dwayne Bowe, KC WR to Fubar
DUMA trades Fred Jackson, Buf RB to Fubar
DUMA trades Legedu Naanee, SD WR to Fubar

Overall Rating: **** (4 stars) "I'm very interested. We're getting close."
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Trade declined in Chiefs Planet Big Money League

To: Relentless Bergers - Chad Dumas
From: Team Fubar - Matt Shorman

SHOR trades LaDainian Tomlinson, NYJ RB to Bergers [DEAL-BREAKER]
SHOR trades Santana Moss, Was WR to Bergers
SHOR trades Ryan Mathews, SD RB to Bergers
DUMA trades Jahvid Best, Det RB to Fubar
DUMA trades Dwayne Bowe, KC WR to Fubar
DUMA trades Fred Jackson, Buf RB to Fubar
DUMA trades Legedu Naanee, SD WR to Fubar

Overall Rating: ***** (5 stars) "We're almost there."
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Matt Shorman to me
show details Sep 29 (7 days ago)
Get back on in 15 minutes and will discuss


Chad Dumas to Matt
show details Sep 29 (7 days ago)
OK, I'll be online, so just send me a gmail chat

matt shor to me
show details Sep 29 (7 days ago)
you want to talk

matt shor to me
show details Sep 29 (7 days ago)
4:33 PM
matt: hey maybe i have another deal on the line
4:34 PM
me: ok I see. I have turned down a few deals today because I thought we were getting close

if you don't think we can get something done, I'll start looking back into some of those.

Let me know
4:35 PM
matt: well we can i just worry bout best health turf tough=shitty rb

me: sure, I understand

sounds like his mri came back good though

matt: they need their fet damn it
4:36 PM
feet

me: the only reason I'm talking about trading him is because I need a little bit of an upgrade at WR

matt: i understand

me: I could get Jamaal Charles for him right now and trade him to you if you would rather have him

really I could get just about any back for him right now and could trade to you
4:37 PM
I've gotten tons of offers for Best. Way more than anyone else on my team]
4:39 PM
Like I said in my last email, I could do a different combo of WRs in the deal if that makes a difference
30 minutes
5:09 PM
me: you on?

matt: yo

alright final offer

actually
5:10 PM
the reason why i don't like it is that if jahvid doesnt play this week im out of rb
5:11 PM
me: Best is going to play

Plus, you still have Forsett and would have Fred Jackson. That's worse case scenario

Plus, you could pick up Kevin Smith if it came down to that
5:12 PM
matt: yah that blah compared to what you'll have

me: I don't know about that necessarily. The thing is, like I said, Best is the type of guy who single-handedly wins weeks. Like Chris Johnson
5:13 PM
matt: I agree or he flops

cause he on lions

me: I'm serious though, if there is someone else you would rather have than Best, I have been offered just about everyone for him

matt: no i rather have best
5:14 PM
just for right price

me: Well, I'm trying to get it worked for you

Already pulled out AJ out of the deal, and you keep Moreno

and you keep Fitz

matt: i said either or
5:15 PM
moreno still in just not both

me: Right I got you. Don't really need Moreno though. Was just trying to get something done.
5:16 PM
matt: kk how about this
5:17 PM
mathews moss and bears d for best, naanee steelers
5:18 PM
me: No, can't do that either man
5:19 PM
I woiuld do the D switch included in the last deal I offered you though

So

Matthews, Moss, Tomlinson and Bears D

for Best, Steelers, Naanee, Bowe, Jackson
5:20 PM
matt: can you pick up somebody other than jackson?

he on the bills and with cj spiller and mershawn
5:21 PM
me: you mean off waivers or something?

Lynch is going to get traded, and they aren't giving the ball to Spiller

Jackson had over 1000 last year. They'll have to start giving him the ball
5:22 PM
matt: well jackson only got 4 carries last game

me: right I know. They're showcasing Lynch for trade. As soon as he gets traded, Jackson's value will go WAY up

Buffalo started listening to trade offers today

matt: hang on one second

me: k
5:26 PM
matt: one switch

instead of bowe can i get lance moore cassel cant throw
5:27 PM
me: Yeah, we can do that. I like Lance quite a bit, but if that gets it done, then I'm good with that.

Deal?
5:29 PM
matt: let see get better rb better d. deal

me: sorry, what was that last message?
5:30 PM
matt: i still think you win out i just hope mershawn gets traded

me: I would bet you $1000 he gets traded. He'll be a Packer.
5:31 PM
You get the top ranked D, 3rd ranked RB. Pretty good deal for us both

matt: ya the defense kind of did it

me: And a WR who put up 40 last week

Moore
5:32 PM
matt: but it a third option

me: And he had a breakout season last time Bush got hurt

matt: send it

me: Sending it over right now
5:33 PM
Just sent it. Good dealing with you man
5:34 PM
We'll probably meet in the championship

matt: ya

me: good luck the rest of the way
5:35 PM
matt: that huge ****ing trade

9 player swap
5:38 PM
can we get it so it goes through right a way

me: yep, I'll push it through

as soon as you accept
7 minutes
5:45 PM
matt: i accepted it and it not pushed through
5:46 PM
me: not sure why it isn't pushing through
5:47 PM
do you have another deal out on the table with one of those guys involved? If you do, pull that off the table and that should push it through
5:48 PM
There we go. Now it's through

Bradshaw is the 10th rated back in Fantasy Football. That would make him a RB1. There are a lot of rumors of Portis not playing another game for the Redskins.

But, the deal is through. No need to justify it.

dude I admit I was wrong and caved in with my last post. Just stating a damn fact that I should have not caved in.

As commish I can veto a trade. I will only veto for suspected collusion, unless it is so lopsided that it can't be justified.

Clear?

Why do you have to prove yourself Doomy?

No, you've constantly made me look like an ass that made you do this deal. You keep using words like arguing, harassing, and bugging. You are a flat out liar, and there is nothing about our dealings that point to you "caving in" either. It is all right there in the email transcripts. Now, maybe you should just shut up and not mention it again. I don't like people making me out to be a bad guy or lying about how I acted.

Seriously? You posted numerous times about me and even said that I should "make it right" as if I did something wrong. I'm proving you are a lying dumbass more than I am proving anything about myself. I don't appreciate you making things up simply because other people in the league are complaining about something.

at the 5:20 mark I should not have caved.

I show 12 and that's also including the fact some teams have had byes. Matthews is rated 39th, is he the 39th best FFB RB? No.

Looks good now though after Lynch got traded

I honestly don't know what to expect from Matthews. And that's an honest answer. He is a rookie who everyone expected big things from, and most still do. Tolbert has looked good though, so who knows if he eats into any of his carries.

It's much like Spiller. Who knows WTF to expect from here on out.

Sure I was upset and in the heat of the moment. All I was saying in my last post is some advice stop taking everything personal. It a ****ing game.

Don't say things about me and how I interacted with you that are made up, and I'll stop taking things personal. You're the one who keeps bringing up made up shit, and I'm simply responding to you.

lol @ the sales job. Doomy you have to have a job in sales right? Nice call on the Lynch trade though.

Yes, I apologize. I was an idiot last couple weeks, messed up a lot of things these past week (tests, relationships, friendships, etc). Trust me I'm not like this

Sure man.

Yep, sure am. And I was 100% correct in that exchange. Fred Jackson's value DID go way up this week. I'm in another league where Jackson and Felix Jones just fetched Ray Rice.

There's no where in that exchange where I pressured shorman to take the deal or got the impression that he didn't want to talk or that I was "bugging" or "harassing" him.

Yes, you already said that last week. Then you came back on today and made the same claims about "caving." You won't need to keep apologizing if you quit making the same baseless claims.

You do have to admit it was risky though?

No, he just has buyers/sellers remorse.

Of course it was risky. Every trade in fantasy football is risky. Especially when the team making the trade is 3-0.

No, it was just a poor trade and why be risky when I believe your were 3-0 at that time? Guys like me, in the cellar, need to take risk. At 3-0 you should have been taking advantage of people desperate to take those risk.

Doomy I was making a statement about Vincent Jackson getting traded. Nothing meant to involve the trade. I can see where you missed understood though.

What are you talking about? What does Vincent Jackson getting traded have to do with anything you posted?

I know, I just get bored of same team out there. I like picking up players moving them. Finding great matchups, which I trully believe that is the art of better fantasy football players.

This is interesting considering this time last week you were screaming on here how you didn't want to trade, but got pressured.

I picked him up today, so "if" he gets traded to New England. It might better me in long run. To be honest I believe people are going to start double covering moss. Like the Eagles did.

So you really like Larry Fitzgerald this year huh?

Like I said last week was bad ****ing week for me. This week I'm coming out of the funk I was in. Which cause my grades to go sour, the girl I was talking to go cold, and everything else hits the fan it feels like.

Not really just didn't want Portis. I should have taken a trade I had for him earlier.

For Fitzgerald? What trade was that?

Benson for Fitz. I stole moss and peyton hillis for jamaal charles malcolm floyd in my other league

Yes, Benson for Fitz would have been a solid trade for you. However, I'm glad you shot me down now.

Ya can't look back now. Wish I had that attitude the past couple weeks a lot of things would be different.

All these lopsided trades going on... Who wants some fo my players?

Also doomy... I'd hate to be commish for this league.

Haha ya no kidding and it started with my whining dumbass

shorman22 has to be cachiefsfan.

No shit.

dude you can call me whatever you want I was an idiot last week. Don't count me as person because of one bad week.

I'm "calling" you that because you type exactly like him.

Its ironic that BCD gave Doomy so much crap over his trade then goes out and trades a player that more than likely won't play the rest of the year. But like I said on that trade, no one has to say yes, it's up to them if they want to accept the trade, no matter how bad it is.

So you expected me to take the higher road then Doomy? He set the standards and I'm following them. So far I'm not aware that the other dude has wanted to back out anyways. If Doomy would have let Shorman back out of his deal and this guy didn't know that Portis was hurt and wanted to back out I would have done that. I'm still hearing 4-6 weeks, and hasn't been placed on IR so he is not out for the year as you say.