That's pretty well known I'd think.

Oh man. Being in a bar during an Alabama game is an experience. Die hard fans.

What are you even talking about? The incident happened in Alabama and it stands to reason that it could very well have been one of the racist piece of shit locals there working on the track.

Could have been done by someone wanting to stoke the flames of racism and to make Alabama and Nascar look bad. In todays world you just don't know unless you have the facts.

To be fair, this applies in both directions.

At one point in my life I was the only white person living in an apartment complex in Missouri that would definitely fall on the lower end of the economic scale. Holy shit was that a learning experience. While I was eventually somewhat accepted, I was known as "the cracker who carries" behind my back. Several of the females were constantly apologizing for the males even after months and months of blatant ignorance. The longer I lived there the more comfortable everyone got and the more often comments were made that weren't made openly when I first moved in.

"I will kill that mother ****er if you bring him around here again" was directed to a female who must have been ~23 for trying to date a white guy. That poor girl bawled about that situation on her back deck for most of the night. I watched a couple guys run that guy off when he gave her a ride home one day. If he ever dated another black girl, I'll bet he didn't walk her to her door without playing 100 questions first.

I finally got into a weird conversation one night with a few of the women and learned I was seen helping one of their kids learn how to cast his new little fishing pole in the yard shortly after I moved in. Whoever saw that also saw the imprint through my shirt when I bent over to help him hold the button on the pole. Apparently, that moved me from whatever I must have been to just "that cracker with guns" and gave me a "pass" of some sort. I regret not pushing some of those evening conversations deeper than I did, but **** ~1/4 of the men who lived in that complex with a rusty fork. They are part of the problem.

Yep. Odds are pretty good this is the case.

It is like they don't learn from their stupidity in the past.

I'll admit that this was my first thought considering the current environment, but there are some really dumb people out there so who knows.

I don't see any way they bury the details of this story so hopefully we actually get to see the facts, whatever they may be.

Juicy Smollet redux: Southern Sham

Then it may have been a racist piece of shit within NASCAR then.

My initial response was to somebody ridiculously suggesting it was a false flag operation based on no evidence and with no good reason for doing so.

Is there any proof that this may be another Smollet situation?

Could have or may have. We don't know yet and we may never know the truth of the situation. I hope we do.

There is plenty of good reason to consider the possibility that this is a false flag operation. Are you saying there isn't?

There is no proof one way or the other. It is one possibility that must be considered until it is eliminated. It makes just as much, or more, sense that it would be a false flag as that it would not be.

There's plenty of good reason for NASCAR to drive loads of negative attention their way needlessly and now an FBI investigation? Or are you suggesting it was Wallace himself (which makes even less sense)?

Either way, it's a load of crap.

Sure a possibility but the environment was created for this to occur.



Brehanna is the first black women to work in a NASCAR pit crew. She took this on her way into the track on race day.


<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Finally arrived here near the track in Talladega and some race fans are holding up traffic with their confederate flags. Not surprised by this. They’re obviously angry. <a href="https://t.co/S6EVH2ZMKi">pic.twitter.com/S6EVH2ZMKi</a></p>&mdash; Brehanna Daniels (@Mindless_BMD) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mindless_BMD/status/1274379566551834627?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

I'm not sure you understand the concept of false flag. Here:

"A false flag operation is an act committed with the intent of disguising the actual source of responsibility and pinning blame on a second party.

So now you are saying it could have been someone that worked there just like the post you quoted but then disagreed with.

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Answer the question. False flags generally have a reason behind them that will benefit somebody or something. What was the reason here?

The post I quoted suggested the incident was "staged" based on no evidence. It had nothing to do with whether it was somebody who worked there (which was and is always a possibility).

Just because some idiot actor wanted to elevate his career one time doesn't mean we assume every racist act going forward is somehow a false flag.

Can't see the video but there are plenty of misguided people who fly the confederate flag but if that's their freedom of expression then so be it. That's their right.

It’s not a Jussie situation. First off Bubba didn’t even find the noose, it was his team member and secondly drivers aren’t even allowed in garages

No but with the lack of access makes it more likely an inside job than just "some local redneck racist" kind of bullshit. Like I said critical thinking.

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Did Talladega allow fans into their Talladega Garage Experience? If they did, it could have easily came from a fan with tickets to that. Surely they know exactly who bought those tickets if they did have that going.

I don't believe Bubba has the ability to climb to the top of the sport and maximize his platform. If someone wanted to make a bunch of people look bad and instantly give Bubba a bigger stage to spread his word, mission accomplished.

It's also possible that some racist wasn't smart enough to realize the results of his actions.

I don't know, why did Jossie Smollete pay two actor friends to "beat him up" and then blame it on racist white guys?

Lets not act like there isn't a history of this stuff happening.

Since we know absolutely nothing, the answer is "who knows".

You can't rule it out until we get facts.

Are you accusing Bubba Wallace of hiring someone to plant a noose in his garage stall?

I'm guessing it had something to do with getting him into the media spotlight and elevating his mediocre career. What exact benefit does NASCAR and/or Bubba Wallace derive from this shit?

Other than that isolated example, what specifically are you talking about?

I don't think anyone is assuming that.

What people are saying is, don't assume that it ISN'T. Just wait.

So it was either some local redneck racist or some redneck racist working on a team within NASCAR. I'm not exactly sure why this difference would matter.

It stands to reason that it was not a false flag in this instance (I'm still waiting to hear from anybody how NASCAR and/or Wallace would derive any benefit from this incident happening). Unless and until there is evidence to prove differently, there's little reason not to think this was a racist act.

You're kidding, right?

Mediocre career? He was a star on one of Fox's most successful minority shows to date. Don't give me that shit.

And why do you assume he did it for his career and not his cause (Smollete)?

And who said Wallace did it? I never once assumed it was Wallace or his camp. It very well could be some over-righteous BLM activist looking to stoke the racial flames.

I'm not ruling out that it's some racist redneck pissed about Wallace's protesting.

I'm just also not ruling out that it's some extremist that wants to create chaos to continue forcing the issue.

It has already been released that they did not sell any this year for this race.

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Always the correct answer.

Wut?

I suppose we're getting into the semantics of "mediocre," but I didn't have a clue who he was and I'm guessing many others didn't either. Elevating himself into the spotlight like that would only have helped.

I tend to question the motivations of people who do disgraceful shit like he did.

There's a ton of over-righteous BLM activists just walking around in NASCAR pits, are there? LMAO

Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best one.

You're right, it's just as likely it was a false flag as it was some racist guy upset NASCAR did away with his precious Confederate flag the week before. We should totally consider every option equally.

Reading what Phelps said on the conference call, I get the impression they can see who did it, just not releasing details till FBI gets done. Whoever it is is gonna be banned for life

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Bubba Wallace is a black dude who drives for the most winningest driver in nascar history. I don't think he needs help getting the spotlight.

Given the tight restrictions to a secure area (especially with the pandemic protocols) it seems like it would be an inside job, but would someone who works at the track or for NASCAR really be willing to throw their career away by doing this?

So do you have proof this was meant for her or was this just another day at the race track?

I think it's more likely a local track worker(part time or voluntary gig), than a NASCAR official or crew member. But then again, there's idiots everywhere and they may not have thought it through.

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I don't think BRC, or the the girl were insinuating it was directed at her.

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Now that I reread it I think you are right but who was taking the video seems irrelevant then.

You sure seem to end up in some oddball random situations some how.

I’d really like to see the set up of the garage. I’m curious how easily a local track worker could get access to his stall.

Wouldn’t it be pretty easy for a driver to hire someone to tamper with another vehicle like this? If the Patriots have taught us anything, it’s that someone is always cheating.

Wouldn’t a local track worker also be more likely to steal from the garage too?

Again, I’m not a NASCAR fan so I’m sure there’s plenty I’m missing here. Just seems like poor planning that a local track worker could get to that area so easily.

Really?

In 4 years he has no wins, no polls, his average start is 24 with an average finish of 23. During that time he has only led 23 of the 23,500+ laps ran.

He was brought up as a driver who spent very little, if any, time actually working on the cars. That lack of hands on car knowledge is becoming an issue which he himself has openly spoke about several times. His contract only runs through 2020. If he was white, what are the odds that he'd be looking for a new team? I believe Petty has recently talked about plans to extend the contract for another year.

He could definitely use a boost if he wants to climb to the top of the sport and maximize his platform.

I look like the stereotypical racist ****s down here. My black neighbors tell me that's why I can walk around the neighborhood for 2000 miles and never been stopped or bothered by the police. Yet they are stopped at least 2-3 times a year by the police.

Are we certain someone didnt mistake Bubba Smollets serpentine belt for a noose?

I'm certain he just had a good car on a good run with a good push and ****ed it up.

It is pretty obvious you don't watch or know much about NASCAR. The last time that car won a race was 2014, before that it was 1999. It goes way beyond that though, the 43 is generally in the back half of the field. They never get talked about.
I don't know how many of you know or are watching the race right now but Wallace is having a good day since he is in the top 10 but guess what not one word about him or the day he is having.

Ya, he was in the lead with 27 to go, he’s slipped back a bit now.

Bubba will win today. NASCAR has pre ordained it.

I admit I came into this thread to see if it had turned out to be a hoax.

These stories that are just too perfect and too perfectly timed make me skeptical.

If this is a hoax (and to my knowledge there is no hard evidence to suggest that at this point), then all of those involved need to be banned from NASCAR for life.

No. But there wasn't for Smollett at first either.

Some folks have trouble with reading comprehension. Bubba drives for King Richard.

If only NASCAR could 'pre ordained' a good post out of you.

Pretty happy NASCAR pre ordained Ryan Blaney to win today, he needed that

Racist. Reported

another noose was found at sonoma

Really hard to believe there's racism in NASCAR

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dustin Skinner made these public remarks about Bubba Wallace and the noose. He is the son of Mike Skinner and a late model crew chief; he himself hasn’t raced since 2008. <a href="https://t.co/nMfYrpsp67">pic.twitter.com/nMfYrpsp67</a></p>&mdash; Cassie Fambro (@CassieFambro) <a href="https://twitter.com/CassieFambro/status/1275206592158408704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sigh

Wow. That’s for real? Skinner is going to get roasted

Hoax confirmed, it was a garage pull down. Pictures existed from 2019, and a video from 2020 walk through.

Lol

That's quite possibly the dumbest post on this whole situation by skinner. Bubba didnt make the racing unwatchable, nascar did that to themselves many years ago. Did bubba cause the final straw for some people, sure, but to say he single handedly ruined nascar when they've been ruining themselves for 10+ years is idiotic.

Big damn difference in a noose and a garage door pull down. Didn’t know nascar was that hard up for publicity.

Links?

Yea, you can't just post something like this without some supporting information.

I don't believe that's the kind of ruined he's talking about.

Thank you sir. Compelling for sure but the location this is photo was pulled from would be great too.

I'd be careful saying anything is confirmed. Only thing I can find is from far right conservative sites, and pictures can be altered

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The video the Image is taken from the left can be found on youtube. The "noose" exists in the video. Then the picture on the right is from the other day.

"Far Right" or not, the images are real. But considering the nature of the garage and them claiming they have ZERO video evidence is enough to justify this a HOAX.

No NASCAR doesn't let garages exist without video surveillance.

This is about as believable as two MAGA hat wearing guys in Chicago at 2AM Lynching a C-List actor.

That's regarding the serpentine belt rumor. The garage tie down being mistaken for a noose seems to be far more plausible unless that footage was just outright doctored.