Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11988706)

We're clearly at an impasse, but the process is driven by the creation of the script.

If scripts were called for quicker and funded, they would show up quicker and more personnel would be recruited for the DETAILS of locations, production, casting, sets and editing. And the ****ING ACTORS would be there to perform as well.

In that respect, South Park and The Daily Show are exactly like network TV. South Park has maniacal workaholic creators who can write quality episodes on a dime. The Daily Show has an armada of researchers and detail personnel who can assemble the called for material on demand.

Music? SP has musical episodes with indelible songs with lyrics, created on the same deadline.

So educate me. If an hour show takes an 80 week to score, do 30 minute shows take a 40 hour week? Does a 2 hour movie take 2 80 hour weeks to score? Does a min-series take 3-4 weeks? I mean, if it's a strict time-on-task matter, can a twice as gifted composer compose twice as fast like a twice as fast fabricator at the Ford plant? Did the theme for Green Acres take more or less time than the theme for Dr. Zhivago? Did the theme for Seinfeld take more or less time than The Godfather?

I don't know why you are so hung up on this. It's a creative process. That's fine. It's not a knock.

Sometimes The Beatles bang out a few of the greatest pop songs ever in an hour or so. Sometimes, a less inspired or qualified prog rock group takes decades to put together an album. Sometimes, the cast and crew of Apocalypse Now nearly kills themselves over months in the jungle. Sometimes a Kevin Smith or Robert Rodriguez pump out a classic in weeks on adrenaline, credit cards, and the time appropriate version of a GoPro.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11989053)

Good ****ing God.

I'll address all these fallacies in due time.

But for someone who watches everything, it's amazing how little respect you have for it all.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11989074)

Actually, the more you press this, the less respect you are showing.

I've told you numerous times, it's not a knock.

Creative content isn't a push button operation. If you write a good score or script in 40 hours. You don't write a great score or script by adding 10 or 20 hours more.

You seem to be conflating the logistics of the . . . less . . . creative details like sets, casting, location scouting, continuity, wardrobe, effects, etc., with the creative process. Those things can be hammered out with recruitment and investment.

Are you seriously suggesting that a Lorre or a Milch or an Abrams create twice as good a product in a given 2 weeks than they do in a given week?

Appreciate time and logistics, but that's not the same as creative.

There's a reason that 'stroke of genius' is a cliche and not 'lunch pail of genius.'

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11989074)

Actually, the more you press this, the less respect you are showing.

I've told you numerous times, it's not a knock.

Creative content isn't a push button operation. If you write a good score or script in 40 hours. You don't write a great score or script by adding 10 or 20 hours more.

You seem to be conflating the logistics of the . . . less . . . creative details like sets, casting, location scouting, continuity, wardrobe, effects, etc., with the creative process. Those things can be hammered out with recruitment and investment.

Are you seriously suggesting that a Lorre or a Milch or an Abrams create twice as good a product in a given 2 weeks than they do in a given week?

Appreciate time and logistics, but that's not the same as creative.

Heck, watch retrospectives on any great show, and there are tons of anecdotes where the best moments were punched up on the spur of the moment, minutes to air. Or a genius plot that drives a season coming from a dream or a drunken encounter or a chance conversation.

There's a reason that 'stroke of genius' is a cliche and not 'lunch pail of genius.'

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11989074)

Actually, the more you press this, the less respect you are showing.

I've told you numerous times, it's not a knock.

Creative content isn't a push button operation. If you write a good score or script in 40 hours. You don't write a great score or script by adding 10 or 20 hours more.

You seem to be conflating the logistics of the . . . less . . . creative details like sets, casting, location scouting, continuity, wardrobe, effects, etc., with the creative process. Those things can be hammered out with recruitment and investment.

Are you seriously suggesting that a Lorre or a Milch or an Abrams create twice as good a product in a given 2 weeks than they do in a given week?

Appreciate time and logistics, but that's not the same as creative.

Heck, watch retrospectives on any great show, and there are tons of anecdotes where the best moments were punched up on the spur of the moment, minutes to air. Or a genius plot that drives a season coming from a dream or a drunken encounter or a chance conversation.

There's a reason that 'stroke of genius' is a cliche and not 'lunch pail of genius.'

Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 11989620)

Great things are created through hard work. If a show isn't well made to begin with nobody will give two shits about those anecdotes or it's "strokes of genius"

Where you got the inspiration for a plot, song hook, chord progression, is irrelevant. The real work is turning it into something that people will love.

The Beatles could write hit songs in 15 min because of 1000's and 1000's of hrs they put into mastering their craft. Not to mention elite, natural musical talent to go along with it.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11989074)

Actually, the more you press this, the less respect you are showing.

I've told you numerous times, it's not a knock.

Creative content isn't a push button operation. If you write a good score or script in 40 hours. You don't write a great score or script by adding 10 or 20 hours more.

You seem to be conflating the logistics of the . . . less . . . creative details like sets, casting, location scouting, continuity, wardrobe, effects, etc., with the creative process. Those things can be hammered out with recruitment and investment.

Are you seriously suggesting that a Lorre or a Milch or an Abrams create twice as good a product in a given 2 weeks than they do in a given week?

Appreciate time and logistics, but that's not the same as creative.

Heck, watch retrospectives on any great show, and there are tons of anecdotes where the best moments were punched up on the spur of the moment, minutes to air. Or a genius plot that drives a season coming from a dream or a drunken encounter or a chance conversation.

There's a reason that 'stroke of genius' is a cliche and not 'lunch pail of genius.'

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11990551)

it's easy and all

and doesn't require working 9-5.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12083110)

Better Call Saul starts up again tonight, FYI.

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 12083751)

Thanks for the reminder. We got a new Dish unit and didn't get this one set on the DVR.