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tredadda 05-04-2021 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 15662419)
Best locations for Rodgers/Watson IMO = PIT, MIN, CLEV, SF, NYG, MIA

Don't see Cleveland or SF. I think Cleveland is happy with Mayfield and SF just gave up picks to draft Lance.

BlackOp 05-04-2021 10:10 PM

Even the most ardent Donk homer would have to acknowledge that last season was Rodgers best shot at a SB.

Everything was set up as good as it could possibly be...HFA in winter against a Florida team. 3 INTs in the 2nd half...MVP season.

He has only been to one SB his entire career...and was 27. He threw 2 INTs and 0 TDs in his only NFCCG victory..

Here is a break down of Rodgers' performances in championship games...I didn't realize how awful he has been in nearly every one of them. His average passer rating 63.0 over four previous trips...he did eclipse 100 this year for the first time.

He is 1-4 in championship games...

Rodgers record in NFCCG

2010 against Bears - Packers won 21-14

Rodgers threw a pair of interceptions, no touchdowns and finished with a passer rating of just 55.4.

2) 2014 - Seattle 28, Green Bay 22 (OT)

Rodgers finished with two interceptions, one touchdown and a 55.8 passer rating. Packers led 19-7 with just more than 3 minutes left in the game and Rodgers couldn’t close it out.

3) 2016 - Atlanta 44, Green Bay 21

Atlanta led, 24-0, at halftime when Rodgers had no touchdown passes, one interception and a 65.6 passer rating. The Falcons stretched their lead to 31-0 in the third quarter before Rodgers began beefing up his numbers.

4) 2019 49ers 37 - packers 20

Rodgers 3 TOs in first half, 4 total TOs Packers didn’t score in the first half and were down 27-0

Rodgers has thrown 7 INTs + 2 lost fumbles vs 6 TDs.


comochiefsfan 05-04-2021 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 15662430)
Even the most ardent Donk homer would have to acknowledge that last season was Rodgers best shot at a SB.

Everything was set up as good as it could possibly be...HFA in winter against a Florida team. 3 INTs in the 2nd half...MVP season.

He has only been to one SB his entire career...and was 27. He threw 2 INTs and 0 TDs in his only NFCCG victory..

Here is a break down of Rodgers' performances in championship games...I didn't realize how awful he has been in nearly every one of them. His average passer rating 63.0 over four previous trips...he did eclipse 100 this year for the first time.

He is 1-4 in championship games...

Rodgers record in NFCCG

2010 against Bears - Packers won 21-14

Rodgers threw a pair of interceptions, no touchdowns and finished with a passer rating of just 55.4.

2) 2014 - Seattle 28, Green Bay 22 (OT)

Rodgers finished with two interceptions, one touchdown and a 55.8 passer rating. Packers led 19-7 with just more than 3 minutes left in the game and Rodgers couldn’t close it out.

3) 2016 - Atlanta 44, Green Bay 21

Atlanta led, 24-0, at halftime when Rodgers had no touchdown passes, one interception and a 65.6 passer rating. The Falcons stretched their lead to 31-0 in the third quarter before Rodgers began beefing up his numbers.

4) 2019 49ers 37 - packers 20

Rodgers 3 TOs in first half, 4 total TOs Packers didn’t score in the first half and were down 27-0

Rodgers has thrown 7 INTs + 2 lost fumbles vs 6 TDs.


The Rodgers fear is hilarious.

The guy is not a winner or a leader.

Mahomes is both of those things personified.

RaidersOftheCellar 05-04-2021 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DomCasual (Post 15661623)
Sorry, the link I posted was from last offseason. This one is current.

Isn't that the same page?

They were probably following the Mane and thus expected Lock/Jeudy to be Montana/Rice.

BlackOp 05-04-2021 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15662454)
The Rodgers fear is hilarious.

The guy is not a winner or a leader.

Mahomes is both of those things personified.

Well..one thing is evident...he is not a big game QB. 1-4 in games deciding a SB birth is not good...

I guess it could be said he was good enough to get his team to a championship game...so there's that.

Then again...the best QB in his division was Stafford. He never had a Mahomes or Herbert to compete against. He's kind of like Brady in that regard...he was pretty much a shoo-in to win his division every year.

In his first 10 quarters (2 1/2 games) of NFCCG play...he had 1 TD and 5 INTs. That ranges from 2010-2016....

The NFL has made it clear they arent going to bend over to ensure he gets another ring...so Denver would be best not to expect the red carpet, ignore HGH, Manning treatment.

-King- 05-04-2021 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 15662468)
Well..one thing is evident...he is not a big game QB. 1-4 in games deciding a SB birth is not good...

I guess it could be said he was good enough to get his team to a championship game...so there's that.

Then again...the best QB in his division was Stafford. He never had a Mahomes or Herbert to compete against. He's kind of like Brady in that regard...he was pretty much a shoo-in to win his division every year.

In his first 10 quarters of NFCCG play...he had 1 TD and 5 INTs. That ranges from 2010-2016....

Someone drank the NFL kool aid. You think the nfl wants a market like green bay wisconsin in the superbowl? Open your eyes sheep!

ClevelandBronco 05-04-2021 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 15661936)
Was Jawuan James a starter

He played just a few more than 60 snaps in a Broncos uniform. As a starter, he was basically finished before he started.

comochiefsfan 05-04-2021 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 15662468)
Well..one thing is evident...he is not a big game QB. 1-4 in games deciding a SB birth is not good...

I guess it could be said he was good enough to get his team to a championship game...so there's that.

Then again...the best QB in his division was Stafford. He never had a Mahomes or Herbert to compete against. He's kind of like Brady in that regard...

In his first 10 quarters of NFCCG play...he had 1 TD and 5 INTs. That ranges from 2010-2016....

The guy is a front runner. When things are going well, he looks like a world beater. As soon as he faces the slightest bit of adversity though, he folds like a cheap suit.

Take our comeback against Houston two years ago. Rodgers is simply not winning that game if he was our quarterback. He doesn't possess the competitive fire and leadership ability to do so.

We've seen time and time again Patrick and, as much as I can't stand the guy, Brady rally the troops and keep a positive outlook when faced with seemingly insurmountable deficits.

When Rodgers goes down, he slinks off to the corner of the bench and cries to himself the rest of the game. Then in the post-game press conference he blames everyone but himself. I can't fathom how any of his teammates have any respect for him. The dude is a punk, bad teammate who loves to compile stats against garbage comp but ALWAYS comes up small in big moments.

It he goes to the AFC West I will not lose a second of sleep. He isn't beating our guy in a meaningful game. He isn't built like Patrick, plain and simple.

ClevelandBronco 05-04-2021 11:20 PM

James cashed $17 million of Broncos checks for those 60+ snaps. That’s almost Casselesque.

BlackOp 05-04-2021 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15662472)
The guy is a front runner. When things are going well, he looks like a world beater. As soon as he faces the slightest bit of adversity though, he folds like a cheap suit.

Take our comeback against Houston two years ago. Rodgers is simply not winning that game if he was our quarterback. He doesn't posses the competitive fire and leadership ability to do so.

We've seen time and time again Patrick and, as much as I can't stand the guy, Brady rally the troops and keep a positive outlook when faced with seemingly insurmountable deficits.

When Rodgers goes down, he slinks off to the corner of the bench and cries to himself the rest of the game. Then in the post-game press conference he blames everyone but himself. I can't fathom how any of his teammates have any respect for him. The dude is a punk, bad teammate who loves to compile stats against garbage comp but ALWAYS comes up small in big moments.

It he goes to the AFC West I will not lose a second of sleep. He isn't beating our guy in a meaningful game. He isn't built like Patrick, plain and simple.

Donks are going to have to sell the farm to get a 38 year old Rodgers..and its a SB or bust move. He has had 5 opportunities to get there and only made it once...he beat Cutler in 2010. So a 20% chance...on a move that will set the franchise back 5 years (at least) if it fails.

Their bad Ju-Ju has already started...their $50 million RT blew out his Achilles just days after the draft...so now they have to scramble to fill the void.

Best22 05-05-2021 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 15662477)
Donks are going to have to sell the farm to get a 38 year old Rodgers..and its a SB or bust move. He has had 5 opportunities to get there and only made it once...he beat Cutler in 2010. So a 20% chance...on a move that will set the franchise back 5 years (at least) if it fails.

Their bad Ju-Ju has already started...their $50 million RT blew out his Achilles just days after the draft...so now they have to scramble to fill the void.

He got carried. The difference in the 2010 NFCCG was a pick 6 off of third stringer Caleb Hanie. 9 TD and 8 INT in the conference title games

Never made a SB without a top 5 defense.

BlackOp 05-05-2021 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Best22 (Post 15662486)
He got carried. The difference in the 2010 NFCCG was a pick 6 off of third stringer Caleb Hanie. 9 TD and 8 INT in the conference title games

Never made a SB without a top 5 defense.

Are Fangio/Shurmur /Rodgers good enough to beat Reid/Mahomes with everything on the line...Rodgers hasnt proven he can carry his team in these situations. He completely flamed in the 2nd half against the Bucs...and had a lot of opportunity. He could have run for a TD and chose not to...it was a head scratching play given what was at stake. PM would have ran that...100%

Donks will be without 1st round picks for the duration of this experiment and likely losing key defensive players in the trade...They are also taking on Rodgers salary...which wont be prorated over many years due to his age.

TEX 05-05-2021 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 15662489)
Are Fangio/Schumur/Rodgers good enough to beat Reid/Mahomes with everything on the line...Rodgers hasnt proven he can carry his team in these situations. He completely flamed in the 2nd half against the Bucs...and had a lot of opportunity. He could have run for a TD and chose not to...it was a head scratching play given what was at stake. PM would have ran that...100%

Donks will be without 1st round picks for the duration of this experiment and likely losing key defensive players in the trade...They are also taking on Rodgers salary...which wont be prorated over many years due to his age.

Desperate teams take desperate measures...

Dull Tools 05-05-2021 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 15662428)
Don't see Cleveland or SF. I think Cleveland is happy with Mayfield and SF just gave up picks to draft Lance.

Cleveland should trade for Rodgers in a heartbeat. Mayfield is ok but Rodgers would take this Browns team over the top.

BlackOp 05-05-2021 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dull Tools (Post 15662495)
Cleveland should trade for Rodgers in a heartbeat. Mayfield is ok but Rodgers would take this Browns team over the top.

Why do people assume the addition of Rodgers will take their team "over the top" when he hasn't taken his own team to the SB in a decade?

If people were looking closely..there hasnt been a lot of outstanding QB play in the NFC outside of Wilson either...it's not like having Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger every year in their prime...maybe Ryan in moments. Rodgers didn't have a lot of competition...and still never closed the deal.

Will he make a team more competitive if they have a sub-standard QB play...yes. Lets be honest here...he is a great QB that is barely mediocre in the post-season. He has years of data that says he doesn't perform well against top competition in pressure moments.

This is what you are getting if you sign him...at 38, he isnt going to become something different.


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