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KC_Connection 04-08-2015 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 11425436)
Agreed. There's also, imo, the sibling dynamic of his brother just isn't good enough to do what Chuck does, in his opinion. And what that really equates to is that Chuck thinks he's better than Jimmy (maybe correctly)... and that's never a good starting point for sibling relationships.

It's doubly galling in that Jimmy has been taking care of Chuck this whole time and struggling to make it as a lawyer, and Chuck blithely sits back and eats up Jimmy's devotion. Nevermind that the whole reason that Jimmy's struggling so much is in large part due to Chuck's refusal to help him in his legal career. I think that's what galls me so much about Chuck, that Jimmy's certainly good enough to take care of his insane ass and do all sorts of menial bullshit for him that has absolutely zero financial rewards, but god forbid he practice law.

Oh, and he has Jimmy going out and "negotiating" with the firm on his behalf from a legal standpoint, but it's completely under false pretenses the whole time.

It reeks of elitist classism.

I'd say that's a lot of what it boils down to. His sheer inability to see Jimmy as any kind of equal (whether that be morally, intellectually, or from a career perspective). He can't imagine a guy like his brother being on the same "level" he is and it irks him that Jimmy even tries. He'd much rather pigeonhole him in his mind as Slippin' Jimmy and not have to ever alter it (and after the betrayal, he'll probably never have to).

Baby Lee 04-08-2015 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 11425463)
I'd say that's a lot of what it boils down to. His sheer inability to see Jimmy as any kind of equal (whether that be morally, intellectually, or from a career perspective). He can't imagine a guy like his brother being on the same "level" he is and it irks him that Jimmy even tries. He'd much rather pigeonhole him in his mind as Slippin' Jimmy and not have to ever alter it (and after the betrayal, he'll probably never have to).

I'd dispute those perspectives aside from the moral component.

I think Chuck admires a lot about Jimmy, just not as a lawyer. He probably thinks he'd be a good spouse and provider, a good worker in other professions, that he is a good brother, etc.

But he fetishizes the law, and to an extent, he's justified. An attorney wields great power over the fate of his clients and his opposition. They are entrusted with secrets and the fate of wealth and possessions, as well as the very lives of clients facing criminal charges. Chuck is a rule follower, which in some ways impinges on his abilities as an advocate. There's a reason he is a civil attorney. There are rules and evidence that are black and white. If he wins a case, the law was on his side. If he loses a case, he followed the law and can sleep at night.

I don't think he has it in him to be a zealous advocate when the liberty of an accused criminal is on the line. He could never 'advise'/nudge a client to destroy damning evidence, or coach one on the fine points of answering questions in a way that obfuscates metaphysical truth. There is a philosophical merit to his standards, but it would prove cold solace to a client serving jail time because Chuck revered the law more than he defended his client.

KC_Connection 04-08-2015 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11425486)
I'd dispute those perspectives aside from the moral component.

What's to dispute? Chuck told Jimmy straight up that he wasn't a "real lawyer" on his own esteemed level. There's no question he thinks he's superior in that regard.

Baby Lee 04-08-2015 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 11425512)
What's to dispute? Chuck told Jimmy straight up that he wasn't a "real lawyer" on his own esteemed level. There's no question he thinks he's superior in that regard.

I don't think he dismisses his intellect, his ability to summate a matter to serve his client, his business sense, his capability, etc. Just his character when it comes to litigating.

KC_Connection 04-08-2015 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11425522)
I don't think he dismisses his intellect, his ability to summate a matter to serve his client, his business sense, his capability, etc. Just his character when it comes to litigating.

Regardless of what the reasons are (and some of them are probably totally justifiable), he still doesn't see him as an equal from a career perspective. The fact that Jimmy even got the law degree bothered him.

Baby Lee 04-08-2015 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 11425528)
Regardless of what the reasons are (and some of them are probably totally justifiable), he still doesn't see him as an equal from a career perspective. The fact that Jimmy even got the law degree bothered him.

From a correspondence course from Guam.

The law, whatever it may be, is not a STEM course, where a convolution is;

http://graphics.stanford.edu/courses...uation1-2c.jpg

whether you're at MIT or in a basement in S.Dakota.

There are things you learn about critical analysis, and interpersonal integrity, and ethics, in 3 years in a classroom and in study groups that you can't replicate on a computer.

KC_Connection 04-08-2015 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11425538)
From a correspondence course from Guam.

Yes, that's another (arguably legitimate) reason for Chuck to believe he's superior on a career level than Jimmy. There is no doubting the fact that he does. Not sure what the point of this tangent was.

KC_Connection 04-08-2015 03:38 PM

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When we started the show and thought about Chuck, he was somebody who was fundamentally helpless at the moment,” executive producer Peter Gould tells EW. “He was somebody who Jimmy had to take care of. And part of the reason we loved it was because it humanized Jimmy. We thought the connection between the two brothers gave us an insight into Jimmy’s heart, to understand how and why he became a lawyer. Once we saw Michael McKean play Chuck, he brought some colors to it that I don’t think we were really expecting. Chuck, as Michael plays him, is someone with a tremendous sense of righteousness, sometimes self-righteousness. He’s also a guy with a lot of pride. And as we were working our way through the season, we started talking about how Chuck really feels about Jimmy.

“Part of the reason Jimmy’s always gotten into trouble is because he could never equal Chuck,” Gould continues. “Chuck was always the good brother. But from Chuck’s point of view, Jimmy was the one who got all the attention. Jimmy was the kid who would make everyone laugh with a joke. And Chuck, for all his ability and all his brains, really doesn’t have the common touch. And we realized—and it came as a shock to us—that on some level, Chuck is jealous of Jimmy. And that Hamlin wasn’t the problem for Jimmy, really; it’s Chuck. Chuck does not want Jimmy in his law firm. It makes Chuck deeply uncomfortable for so many reasons—some of them legitimate—to have Jimmy be a lawyer at his level. And one of the things I love about the scene at the end of episode 9 that [co-executive producer] Tom Schnauz wrote, and that Bob and Michael played, is that Chuck is not all wrong. Especially those of us who watched Breaking Bad know that there is an element of truth to what he says: ‘The law is sacred. If you abuse that power, people get hurt. This is not a game.’ And that brings up the question: How much is that a self-fulfilling prophecy? Does Jimmy act out because deep down, he believes what Chuck thinks of him?”
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/03/30...ld-jimmy-chuck

Gould talking about Chuck's reasons for making the decision he did (both selfish and principled). Also gets into the whole self-fulfilling prophecy debate about Jimmy's own bad choices (and whether Chuck's opinion of him as a scumbag plays a factor in them).

Buehler445 04-08-2015 09:15 PM

Discussions like this are what makes the show great. There aren't many shows on TV right now that we can discuss like this. It's really incredible.

KC_Connection 04-08-2015 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 11426488)
Discussions like this are what makes the show great. There aren't many shows on TV right now that we can discuss like this. It's really incredible.

The show has also hit emotional highs that I don't think BB ever really did until the last few seasons of its run. It's a very good start.

eDave 04-08-2015 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 11426536)
The show has also hit emotional highs that I don't think BB ever really did until the last few seasons of its run. It's a very good start.

Did I hear right tonight that Jesse is getting his own spinoff?

We surely have to see him on Saul at some point.

RobBlake 04-08-2015 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by eDave (Post 11426584)
Did I hear right tonight that Jesse is getting his own spinoff?

We surely have to see him on Saul at some point.

that would be bad ass.

Buehler445 04-08-2015 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by eDave (Post 11426584)
Did I hear right tonight that Jesse is getting his own spinoff?

We surely have to see him on Saul at some point.

Pinkman before BB was pretty lame. Pinkman after BB might be cool but I don't know where they'd go with it. BB did a good job on Pinkman during the BB timeline and decent before BB.

Whereas Saul just showed up out of nowhere.

RobBlake 04-08-2015 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 11426630)
Pinkman before BB was pretty lame. Pinkman after BB might be cool but I don't know where they'd go with it. BB did a good job on Pinkman during the BB timeline and decent before BB.

Whereas Saul just showed up out of nowhere.

well they can show how he got started into meth and his "spicy" specialty or w/e the hell it was

frankotank 04-09-2015 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by eDave (Post 11426584)
Did I hear right tonight that Jesse is getting his own spinoff?

We surely have to see him on Saul at some point.

Spinoff BITCH!

ROFL


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