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Rainbarrel 07-23-2021 05:49 AM

The spoiled and entitled wanting nice things for others is self defeating.

MahomesMagic 07-23-2021 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 15751511)
What in the actual ****? It's rare but it certainly happens. Also who the hell knows if kids who survive are still getting permanent lung, neurological or other issues from this stuff?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">��24 children are hospitalized with COVID-19 in Alabama. Alabama’s COVID-19 hospitalizations have increased nearly 200 percent in 3 weeks as the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DeltaVariant?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DeltaVariant</a> increases. <a href="https://t.co/Y8fZyhbaDj">https://t.co/Y8fZyhbaDj</a> <a href="https://t.co/DPQq1SItxU">pic.twitter.com/DPQq1SItxU</a></p>&mdash; Cleavon MD �� (@Cleavon_MD) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cleavon_MD/status/1418255261937147904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">���� 5 mo. Sarah Vitória Domingues Gois from São Paulo <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Brasil?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Brasil</a> developed a collapsed lung from COVID and other complications. After her death on 5/21/21 her parents urged the community to protect their children. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SoulsLostToCovid?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SoulsLostToCovid</a> 2/40 <a href="https://t.co/atYeKUwhJH">https://t.co/atYeKUwhJH</a> <a href="https://t.co/rkvja6QEwU">pic.twitter.com/rkvja6QEwU</a></p>&mdash; Cleavon MD �� (@Cleavon_MD) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cleavon_MD/status/1410058163697729540?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">���� 4 y.o. Rhyan da Silva Fraga from Vila Isabel <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Brasil?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Brasil</a> died from COVID. His grandmother said he was a Flamengo fan. “He loved to sing Gabigol&#39;s song... and now? He&#39;s dead. I will never be able to see him again in my life”<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SoulsLostToCovid?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SoulsLostToCovid</a> 5/40 <a href="https://t.co/kSduweVQPc">https://t.co/kSduweVQPc</a> <a href="https://t.co/DXjlKRGzuq">pic.twitter.com/DXjlKRGzuq</a></p>&mdash; Cleavon MD �� (@Cleavon_MD) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cleavon_MD/status/1410067605138911239?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The thread goes on and on - feel free to read.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">���� 9 y.o. Makenzie Gongora from San Antonio, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texas?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Texas</a> developed a really bad headache and stomachache at an after-school care center, then tested positive for COVID. Three days later she was found dead tucked into her bed by her mother <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SoulsLostToCovid?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SoulsLostToCovid</a> 6/40 <a href="https://t.co/ORFwPJPGPI">https://t.co/ORFwPJPGPI</a> <a href="https://t.co/3iIYVxZr6m">pic.twitter.com/3iIYVxZr6m</a></p>&mdash; Cleavon MD �� (@Cleavon_MD) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cleavon_MD/status/1410068578544521216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

https://www.today.com/health/4th-gra...vid-19-t208298

I trust Makary at Johns Hopkins whose team went through all the children in the US who were listed as died with Covid and he could not find one that didn't have prior preexisting conditions.

Cleavon is a bozo panic merchant. Even if all the kids died of Covid and not with Covid its still safer than influenza or the flu for kids.

In the UK 6 or so kids died with Covid and no known preexisting conditions.

Unfortunately kids die of cancer, heart problems, all kinds of things. RSV is deadlier than Covid for young kids.

BleedingRed 07-23-2021 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15751603)
I trust Makary at Johns Hopkins whose team went through all the children in the US who were listed as died with Covid and he could not find one that didn't have prior preexisting conditions.

Cleavon is a bozo panic merchant. Even if all the kids died of Covid and not with Covid its still safer than influenza or the flu for kids.

In the UK 6 or so kids died with Covid and no known preexisting conditions.

Unfortunately kids die of cancer, heart problems, all kinds of things. RSV is deadlier than Covid for young kids.

Twitter posts vs John ****ing Hopkins

chiefzilla1501 07-23-2021 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 15751520)
I think you need to stop using the stereotype of "anti vaxxers"...this isn't a typical situation...like an influenza shot.

You have no legal/financial recourse if this vaccine ****s you up...you sign that option away. It was also never properly vetted long term...it's still not FDA approved.

Essentially no one knows what this vaccine will do down the road...anyone saying otherwise is FOS.

Which is fine, but there has to be some recourse when employees are taking a well known risk. If they get covid and spread it and put their employer, the city, the fans in a huge hole. If any of these players gets hospitalized or God forbid dies, the nfl will have to pay out the ass and will be pressured to shut down the season. Even though it was a personal decision to avoid the risk, it is the company that assumes all the liability.

And that doesn't just go for players. It goes for manufacturing and construction planners who can incur multimillion dollar losses if a single outbreak hits the floor. And every business downstream gets impacted too. You talked about can of worms. This is the can of worms.

BleedingRed 07-23-2021 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15751296)
Oh shut the **** up.

Yeah, you REALLY care about black people being marginalized by the government. I've seen you post all kinds of shit on this topic before.

**** off, asshole.

Need a hug pillowbiter?

BleedingRed 07-23-2021 06:58 AM

Bunch a virtue signaling losers “you’re killing my vaccinated grandma by not having the vaccine my grandma has!!!”

Jesus ****ing Christ use your brain

BigRedChief 07-23-2021 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 15750784)
DeAndre Hopkins going Full Cole Beasley:
Never thought I would say this, But being put in a position to hurt my team because I don’t want to partake in the vaccine is making me question my future in the @Nfl
— Deandre Hopkins (@DeAndreHopkins) July 22, 2021
<script async="" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He has since deleted this tweet. Says he can play for another 9 years.ROFL

Maybe his agent told him if he retires that he will have to repay the Cardinals $22 million of the bonus he was already paid?<iframe scrolling="no" allowtransparency="true" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets/widget_iframe.06c6ee58c3810956b7509218508c7b56.html?origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.chiefsplanet.com" title="Twitter settings iframe" style="display: none;" frameborder="0"></iframe><iframe id="rufous-sandbox" scrolling="no" allowtransparency="true" allowfullscreen="true" style="position: absolute; visibility: hidden; display: none; width: 0px; height: 0px; padding: 0px; border: medium none;" title="Twitter analytics iframe" frameborder="0"></iframe><iframe scrolling="no" allowtransparency="true" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets/widget_iframe.06c6ee58c3810956b7509218508c7b56.html?origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.chiefsplanet.com" title="Twitter settings iframe" style="display: none;" frameborder="0"></iframe><iframe id="rufous-sandbox" scrolling="no" allowtransparency="true" allowfullscreen="true" style="position: absolute; visibility: hidden; display: none; width: 0px; height: 0px; padding: 0px; border: medium none;" title="Twitter analytics iframe" frameborder="0"></iframe>

BleedingRed 07-23-2021 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 15751766)
He has since deleted this tweet. Says he can play for another 9 years.ROFL

Maybe his agent told him if he retires that he will have to repay the Cardinals $22 million of the bonus he was already paid?<iframe scrolling="no" allowtransparency="true" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets/widget_iframe.06c6ee58c3810956b7509218508c7b56.html?origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.chiefsplanet.com" title="Twitter settings iframe" style="display: none;" frameborder="0"></iframe><iframe id="rufous-sandbox" scrolling="no" allowtransparency="true" allowfullscreen="true" style="position: absolute; visibility: hidden; display: none; width: 0px; height: 0px; padding: 0px; border: medium none;" title="Twitter analytics iframe" frameborder="0"></iframe><iframe scrolling="no" allowtransparency="true" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets/widget_iframe.06c6ee58c3810956b7509218508c7b56.html?origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.chiefsplanet.com" title="Twitter settings iframe" style="display: none;" frameborder="0"></iframe><iframe id="rufous-sandbox" scrolling="no" allowtransparency="true" allowfullscreen="true" style="position: absolute; visibility: hidden; display: none; width: 0px; height: 0px; padding: 0px; border: medium none;" title="Twitter analytics iframe" frameborder="0"></iframe>

Ah yes, **** informed consent! Yay!

BleedingRed 07-23-2021 09:39 AM

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/vaccinated...071043455.html

Inc pivot

MahomesMagic 07-23-2021 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 15751802)

They always will.

"It stops Covid infections, if you don't get vaccinated you're spreading disease."


Then when that doesn't show up...

"Oh, we said it was to stop severe disease."

If that's the case, stop testing healthy people and stop claiming everyone needs to get a vaccine to protect you.

O.city 07-23-2021 10:36 AM

NFL allowing those who have had Covid previously count as vaccinated. Thats smart.

EDIT: I misspoke, looks like they're fully vaccinated after 1 single shot. WHich is what the research seems to show as giving full protection.

MahomesMagic 07-23-2021 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15751897)
NFL allowing those who have had Covid previously count as vaccinated. Thats smart.

Wish we did that society wide.

staylor26 07-23-2021 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15751945)
Wish we did that society wide.

Yup. Exactly why I haven’t been vaccinated. I identify as vaccinated :)

Direckshun 07-23-2021 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15751957)
Yup. Exactly why I haven’t been vaccinated. I identify as vaccinated :)

For what it's worth, having a vaccination better protects you from further infections as past infections.

That's only going to be triply true as we see more variants.

wazu 07-23-2021 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15751967)
For what it's worth, having a vaccination better protects you from further infections as past infections.

That's only going to be triply true as we see more variants.

This may be true but it would be silly to make it a requirement.

O.city 07-23-2021 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15751957)
Yup. Exactly why I haven’t been vaccinated. I identify as vaccinated :)

Did you have Covid?

O.city 07-23-2021 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15751967)
For what it's worth, having a vaccination better protects you from further infections as past infections.

That's only going to be triply true as we see more variants.

Eh, not necessarily. Previous infection has sturdy immunity.

Depending on infection severity that is.

staylor26 07-23-2021 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15751972)
Did you have Covid?

Yes. The wife and I both had it.

Direckshun 07-23-2021 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 15751968)
This may be true but it would be silly to make it a requirement.

I disagree.

staylor26 07-23-2021 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15751967)
For what it's worth, having a vaccination better protects you from further infections as past infections.

That's only going to be triply true as we see more variants.

I’ll take my chances, thanks!

Direckshun 07-23-2021 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15751974)
Eh, not necessarily. Previous infection has sturdy immunity.

Depending on infection severity that is.

Not as good as vaccination, though. The breakthrough rate of people who are vaccinated is much lower than people who have been previously infected.

O.city 07-23-2021 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15751986)
Yes. The wife and I both had it.

Yeah, you theoretically should be ok. There's some stuff now showing delta has breakthru infections even with previous infection but it would likely be mild I would guess.

A single immunization would give the max protection FYi.

Direckshun 07-23-2021 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15751990)
I’ll take my chances, thanks!

I live in Springfield, Missouri, staylor26.

Springfield, Missouri.

There are two huge Covid ICUs in two very large hospitals packed full of people who took their chances.

MahomesMagic 07-23-2021 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15751991)
Not as good as vaccination, though. The breakthrough rate of people who are vaccinated is much lower than people who have been previously infected.

Israeli data contradicts this.

O.city 07-23-2021 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15751996)
Israeli data contradicts this.

Eh, every other study shows the opposite, I'm gonna guess the Israeli data is an outlier.

Direckshun 07-23-2021 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15751996)
Israeli data contradicts this.

That may be but Israel is not comparable. We are a gigantic country with a ton of infected people around us every minute we're in public.

MahomesMagic 07-23-2021 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15752001)
Eh, every other study shows the opposite, I'm gonna guess the Israeli data is an outlier.

Every doctor or scientist whose lectures I watched contradicted what you said.

I'm going to stick with that because historically, natural infection is stronger than any vaccine against viruses.

The only vaccines that might be stronger than natural are designed to stop bacteria.

staylor26 07-23-2021 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15751995)
I live in Springfield, Missouri, staylor26.

Springfield, Missouri.

There are two huge Covid ICUs in two very large hospitals packed full of people who took their chances.

I live in Key West, Florida, Direckshun.

Key West, FL.

I don’t know one person that’s been hospitalized or died of COVID, but I know many that have had it and been just fine. Our hospital has never been overrun and we’ve been open for the majority of the pandemic. Tourists have been flocking here for months on end.

I was very tired for a week straight and slept most of the time. I’ll take my chances.

DaneMcCloud 07-23-2021 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 15751517)
Umm...how about I do the job I'm hired for and they stay out of my personal health decisions?

You're advocating fascism...where unelected corporations take on the roll of personal governance...no ****ing thanks. Shit...they could fire me a week after I take the vaccine...then I'm on my own.

Being a football player is a specialized profession. They cant simply just go make the same living somewhere else..

You know, to say that you're a ****ing absolute NUTJOB would be redundant but the fact that the only people that agree with you are also NUTJOBS should be an indication that you're a ****ing NUTJOB.

And Facism? LMAO You and BEP and all the other loons in the DC call anyone and everyone that YOU disagree with a "Fascist". It's ****ing hilarious because you don't even understand the definition of the word.

As for the vaccine, you and the other butt****ing morons think you're exercising "Muh Freedoms" when in reality, you're ****ing WEAKENING this country, PERIOD. People used to accept their vaccinations because they STRENGTHENED this country. Every person in the military and every child that's attended school has been vaccinated for the GREATER GOOD of this country.

But refusing the vaccination with the intentions of showing off your "Freedom" is absolutely, outright ****ing STUPID. This country went through a terrible financial crisis in which 30 million were unemployed due to this pandemic and instead of getting vaccinated as your Civic Duty, half the country has refused in "protest", so instead of this insidious disease being at its end in this country, it's mutating and killing more and more unvaccinated people each and every day.

So gimme a ****ing break with your stupid "Fascism" bullshit, get vaccinated and shut the **** up.

Direckshun 07-23-2021 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15752006)
Every doctor or scientist whose lectures I watched contradicted what you said.

I'm going to stick with that because historically, natural infection is stronger than any vaccine against viruses.

The only vaccines that might be stronger than natural are designed to stop bacteria.

I don't know what doctors or scientists you depend on, but that's not correct.

Don't draw on history. Draw on the data we have right in front of us.

Read this: https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/artic...infection.html

O.city 07-23-2021 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15752006)
Every doctor or scientist whose lectures I watched contradicted what you said.

I'm going to stick with that because historically, natural infection is stronger than any vaccine against viruses.

The only vaccines that might be stronger than natural are designed to stop bacteria.

I'm speaking about vaccine efficacy and such, not natural infection, so my apologies. I believe I crossed up talking points.

Natural infection will give you so many epitopes to recognize along with strong cellular immunity. Depending on antigenic drift, it's not gonna be long durable but will hold up well, IMO.

But you also have to get sick to get that.

Direckshun 07-23-2021 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15752008)
I live in Key West, Florida, Direckshun.

Key West, FL.

I don’t know one person that’s been hospitalized or died of COVID, but I know many that have had it and been just fine. Our hospital has never been overrun and we’ve been open for the majority of the pandemic. Tourists have been flocking here for months on end.

I was very tired for a week straight and slept most of the time. I’ll take my chances.

You generally should not guide your behavior during a pandemic on what you yourself have experienced.

You should be guided by the data. And I'm pretty sure the data doesn't say you've found the one place in America that's evaded the pandemic.

staylor26 07-23-2021 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15752019)
You generally should not guide your behavior during a pandemic on what you yourself have experienced.

You should be guided by the data. And I'm pretty sure the data doesn't say you've found the one place in America that's evaded the pandemic.

I didn’t say we’ve “evaded” the pandemic.

It just hasn’t been nearly as bad as it is in other places, despite us being open for the majority of the time. I’m sure the weather down here is a factor, but that isn’t changing.

If it wasn’t that bad down here before the vaccine, I have a hard time seeing it ever getting that bad now.

Direckshun 07-23-2021 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15752025)
If it wasn’t that bad down here before the vaccine, I have a hard time seeing it ever getting that bad now.

Infection rates are hitting peaks now in some parts of the country, so it's coming to your neighborhood unless you've achieved herd immunity. That's a start.

MahomesMagic 07-23-2021 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15752013)
I don't know what doctors or scientists you depend on, but that's not correct.

Don't draw on history. Draw on the data we have right in front of us.

Read this: https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/artic...infection.html


Vaccination offers longer, stronger immunity, says virologist Sabra Klein.


ROFL

Well, don't worry. We will have plenty of data on this soon. Klein will be proven wrong.

staylor26 07-23-2021 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15752037)
Infection rates are hitting peaks now in some parts of the country, so it's coming to your neighborhood unless you've achieved herd immunity. That's a start.

Infection rates are peaking! What about deaths and hospitalizations?

Again, we’ve been open and running for the majority of the pandemic, and have been a hot spot for tourism (even more than usual).

I know many many people that have had COVID, but not 1 that has been hospitalized or died.

I’ll take my chances.

If I lived in a big city, and had more contact with strangers and people in general, I’d be more concerned.

MahomesMagic 07-23-2021 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15752014)
I'm speaking about vaccine efficacy and such, not natural infection, so my apologies. I believe I crossed up talking points.

Natural infection will give you so many epitopes to recognize along with strong cellular immunity. Depending on antigenic drift, it's not gonna be long durable but will hold up well, IMO.

But you also have to get sick to get that.

Correct.

I get that someone high risk would want to avoid natural infection. I wasn't speaking on that, just durability of natural infection.

T cells were recognizing Sars1 17 years later.

Direckshun 07-23-2021 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15752041)

Vaccination offers longer, stronger immunity, says virologist Sabra Klein.


ROFL

Well, don't worry. We will have plenty of data on this soon. Klein will be proven wrong.

Do you think she's lying? She's wrong? Does she not know as much about virology as you?

Marcellus 07-23-2021 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15752044)
Infection rates are peaking! What about deaths and hospitalizations?

Hospitalization rates are going through the roof.

O.city 07-23-2021 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15752047)
Correct.

I get that someone high risk would want to avoid natural infection. I wasn't speaking on that, just durability of natural infection.

T cells were recognizing Sars1 17 years later.

Recognition doesn't equal sterilization. I'd have to draw back on some Immunological memory lectures and thats been, well, a while.

MahomesMagic 07-23-2021 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15752055)
Do you think she's lying? She's wrong? Does she not know as much about virology as you?


Honestly, I think she's lying. Of course she knows more than me.

staylor26 07-23-2021 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 15752057)
Hospitalization rates are going through the roof.

Well that’s unfortunate, but it’s not happening here and I don’t see it happening.

Again, I’ve already had COVID. I will take my chances.

Direckshun 07-23-2021 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15752044)
Infection rates are peaking! What about deaths and hospitalizations?

Again, we’ve been open and running for the majority of the pandemic, and have been a hot spot for tourism (even more than usual).

I know many many people that have had COVID, but not 1 that has been hospitalized or died.

I’ll take my chances.

If I lived in a big city, and had more contact with strangers and people in general, I’d be more concerned.

The only part of this that makes sense is that you'll take your chances.

Trying to make scientific arguments against vaccination isn't going to work. The idea that your location (a.) isn't urban enough, (b.) hasn't been a hot spot yet, (c.) is probably fine because you don't know any of the hundreds of thousands of people who've been hospitalized or died, or (d.) that you literally don't know the death rates or hospitalizations...

These are all weak arguments/sentiments at best and flat out wrong at worst.

You just don't want to take it, and you're not being up front with why. Because you're too smart to believe that any of those listed items make sense.

Direckshun 07-23-2021 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15752062)
Honestly, I think she's lying. Of course she knows more than me.

Why do you think she's lying?

ptlyon 07-23-2021 11:51 AM

Gat Damn. And just when I was starting to miss the morality posturing on this subject.

Yippee!

wazu 07-23-2021 11:51 AM

It begins...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breaking: Rick Dennison is out as Vikings offensive line coach/run game coordinator after refusing the COVID-19 vaccine. MIN will promote assistant OL coach Phil Rauscher to replace Dennison, hired Auburn special teams analyst Ben Steele as an assistant. <a href="https://t.co/3oOgXHsaMr">https://t.co/3oOgXHsaMr</a></p>&mdash; Courtney Cronin (@CourtneyRCronin) <a href="https://twitter.com/CourtneyRCronin/status/1418628745049493508?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 23, 2021</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

O.city 07-23-2021 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15752041)

Vaccination offers longer, stronger immunity, says virologist Sabra Klein.


ROFL

Well, don't worry. We will have plenty of data on this soon. Klein will be proven wrong.

I'm not sure why you think she would be proven wrong?

AdolfOliverBush 07-23-2021 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 15752071)
It begins...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breaking: Rick Dennison is out as Vikings offensive line coach/run game coordinator after refusing the COVID-19 vaccine. MIN will promote assistant OL coach Phil Rauscher to replace Dennison, hired Auburn special teams analyst Ben Steele as an assistant. <a href="https://t.co/3oOgXHsaMr">https://t.co/3oOgXHsaMr</a></p>&mdash; Courtney Cronin (@CourtneyRCronin) <a href="https://twitter.com/CourtneyRCronin/status/1418628745049493508?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 23, 2021</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

You don't want someone that dumb coaching your OL anyway.

BleedingRed 07-23-2021 11:54 AM

saying a experimental vaccine which was sequenced in two days is better than hundreds of thousands of year of evolution with out immune system......

You literally have no way of knowing.

staylor26 07-23-2021 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15752064)
The only part of this that makes sense is that you'll take your chances.

Trying to make scientific arguments against vaccination isn't going to work. The idea that your location (a.) isn't urban enough, (b.) hasn't been a hot spot yet, (c.) is probably fine because you don't know any of the hundreds of thousands of people who've been hospitalized or died, or (d.) that you literally don't know the death rates or hospitalizations...

These are all weak arguments/sentiments at best and flat out wrong at worst.

You just don't want to take it, and you're not being up front with why. Because you're too smart to believe that any of those listed items make sense.


You’re missing the biggest factor in why I am choosing not to get vaccinated…

O.city 07-23-2021 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 15752081)
saying a experimental vaccine which was sequenced in two days is better than hundreds of thousands of year of evolution with out immune system......

You literally have no way of knowing.

When you're vaccinated, it's still your immune system making you immune.

Titty Meat 07-23-2021 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15752083)
You’re missing the biggest factor in why I am choosing not to get vaccinated…

Because you are a dumbass

O.city 07-23-2021 11:57 AM

If you're young, have had Covid (very seriously) I don't think skipping a vaccine is the worst idea.

At some point I'd probably recommend getting it, or atleast a single dose.

BleedingRed 07-23-2021 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15752085)
When you're vaccinated, it's still your immune system making you immune.

The natural immunity has more than just the ability to detect the spike protein.

staylor26 07-23-2021 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 15752087)
Because you are a dumbass

No, because I already had COVID you dumb ****.

BleedingRed 07-23-2021 11:59 AM

Meanwhile vaccinated deaths will go up, just based on sheer numbers of people vaccinated. At some point you'll have to admit the vaccine was shit, or the virus wasn't that strong.

MahomesMagic 07-23-2021 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15752068)
Why do you think she's lying?

Because every time I heard top scientists speak about viral vaccines before these even appeared it was an axiom of immunology that natural immunity was superior to vaccines against viruses.

Vaccines are amazing technology but they are competing with millions of years of evolution that created our immune systems.

The ones that work well stimulate our immune system to recognize and respond without the danger of the natural infection. But they are still and always have been inferior. I don't need to be a virologist or immunologist to at least remember these things were pointed out by them.

This vaccination push for those who already had Covid is just a push for more $$$$ for Pharma.

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They even changed the scientific definition of "herd immunity" to remove those who had Covid and were now immune!

staylor26 07-23-2021 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15752091)
If you're young, have had Covid (very seriously) I don't think skipping a vaccine is the worst idea.

At some point I'd probably recommend getting it, or atleast a single dose.

I’m not against getting the vaccine at some point.

O.city 07-23-2021 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 15752092)
The natural immunity has more than just the ability to detect the spike protein.

True.

The vaccine immunity also triggers polyclonal antibodies that mind to more areas of the spike than your natural immunity likely would.

BleedingRed 07-23-2021 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15752100)
I’m not against getting the vaccine at some point.

Yeah like I don't know once the data from the Test Subjects is available.

BigRedChief 07-23-2021 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 15752081)
saying a experimental vaccine which was sequenced in two days is better than hundreds of thousands of year of evolution with out immune system......

You literally have no way of knowing.

the mRNA scientific studies and research has been going on for decades.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15752085)
When you're vaccinated, it's still your immune system making you immune.

Exactly, that’s the whole point. This mRNA based vaccine just triggers your own natural occurring response to protect yourself from this virus. It’s pretty easy for a layman to understand.

BleedingRed 07-23-2021 12:01 PM

Again,

Thank you brave Test Subjects, your arguments for the vaccine might be validated one day. But to claim with any certainty they are validated now is nonsense.

BleedingRed 07-23-2021 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 15752108)
the mRNA scientific studies and research has been going on for decades.

Exactly, that’s the whole point. The mRNA just triggers your own natural occurring response to protect yourself from this virus.

It sure has,

I wonder why they censored the man credited with developing mRNA technology.

staylor26 07-23-2021 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 15752105)
Yeah like I don't know once the data from the Test Subjects is available.

Somehow already having COVID and deciding to wait a little bit on the vaccine makes me a selfish evil prick!

O.city 07-23-2021 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15752099)
Because every time I heard top scientists speak about viral vaccines before these even appeared it was an axiom of immunology that natural immunity was superior to vaccines against viruses.

Vaccines are amazing technology but they are competing with millions of years of evolution that created our immune systems.

The ones that work well stimulate our immune system to recognize and respond without the danger of the natural infection. But they are still and always have been inferior. I don't need to be a virologist or immunologist to at least remember these things were pointed out by them.

This vaccination push for those who already had Covid is just a push for more $$$$ for Pharma.

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They even changed the scientific definition of "herd immunity" to remove those who had Covid and were now immune!


Vaccines and "our immune systems" go hand in hand. I'm not sure why the push to differentiate the two.

Again, you still have to become infected to become immune and "immune" isn't black and white. There's certain levels based on alot of different factors.

BleedingRed 07-23-2021 12:04 PM

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Guy is blue is annoying, regardless of points. Guy on the left is worth listening too. (hate that they used term red pill)

BleedingRed 07-23-2021 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15752112)

Again, you still have to become infected to become immune and "immune" isn't black and white. There's certain levels based on alot of different factors.

Tech not true in other vaccines.

O.city 07-23-2021 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 15752116)
Tech not true in other vaccines.

I'm referring to natural immunity, not vaccinated.

Monticore 07-23-2021 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15752099)
Because every time I heard top scientists speak about viral vaccines before these even appeared it was an axiom of immunology that natural immunity was superior to vaccines against viruses.

Vaccines are amazing technology but they are competing with millions of years of evolution that created our immune systems.

The ones that work well stimulate our immune system to recognize and respond without the danger of the natural infection. But they are still and always have been inferior. I don't need to be a virologist or immunologist to at least remember these things were pointed out by them.

This vaccination push for those who already had Covid is just a push for more $$$$ for Pharma.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Q_NhmQsgy9o" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

They even changed the scientific definition of "herd immunity" to remove those who had Covid and were now immune!

I am sure big pharma makes money whether or not you get vaccinated or hospitalized they probably make more if you get hospitalized or need life long meds .

BleedingRed 07-23-2021 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15752117)
I'm referring to natural immunity, not vaccinated.

Mmmm Yeah although asymptomatic while infected, rarely spread the virus and do show immunity in some to most cases. The level of that immunity is open for debate.

MahomesMagic 07-23-2021 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Monticore (Post 15752119)
I am sure big pharma makes money whether or not you get vaccinated or hospitalized they probably make more if you get hospitalized or need life long meds .

Well, the Netflix Pharma plan where you get jabbed yearly or every 6 months isn't nothing.

Billions and billions.

I don't plan on needing life-long meds.

No statins or insulin for me.

DaneMcCloud 07-23-2021 12:22 PM

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...id-19-vaccine/

Report: Rick Dennison out as Vikings assistant coach after refusing COVID-19 vaccine

Vikings assistant coach Rick Dennison has reportedly lost his job because he refused to get the COVID-19 vaccine.

Dennison, who had been the Vikings’ offensive line coach/run game coordinator the past two seasons, parted ways with the team, according to Courtney Cronin of ESPN. The report does not specifically call Dennison’s departure a firing, although that’s what it sounds like.

The NFL is requiring Tier 1 staff — the people in closest contact with players, such as coaches and equipment managers — to get vaccinated. Players cannot be forced to get vaccinated. The Vikings are promoting assistant offensive line coach Phil Rauscher to fill Dennison’s position, and adding former Auburn assistant coach Ben Steele to take Rauscher’s position.

Dennison is a 27-year veteran of NFL coaching.

MahomesMagic 07-23-2021 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15752112)
Vaccines and "our immune systems" go hand in hand. I'm not sure why the push to differentiate the two.

Again, you still have to become infected to become immune and "immune" isn't black and white. There's certain levels based on alot of different factors.

But as you know the current health authorities in the US are denying natural immunity.

So that is a ? you would have to ask them.

O.city 07-23-2021 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15752148)
But as you know the current health authorities in the US are denying natural immunity.

So that is a ? you would have to ask them.

I’d guess that’s because they’d prefer not incentivize people to get sick so they can get immunity that way

Titty Meat 07-23-2021 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15752111)
Somehow already having COVID and deciding to wait a little bit on the vaccine makes me a selfish evil prick!

Getting covid would be the least of your concerns if I was in your city

staylor26 07-23-2021 12:31 PM

So i see a few of you like Billay think that I’m a “dumbass” for not getting the vaccine (for now) even though I have a natural immunity.

Some of you really need to get off your high horse, because this clearly isn’t about the science. It’s obviously about the need to control others.

staylor26 07-23-2021 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 15752151)
Getting covid would be the least of your concerns if I was in your city

Who are you kidding? If you were in Key West, you’d be sucking dick in one of the many local gay bars.

Titty Meat 07-23-2021 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15752154)
Who are you kidding? If you were in Key West, you’d be sucking dick in one of the many local gay bars.

I'd be sucking your dick after I slept ya

staylor26 07-23-2021 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 15752158)
I'd be sucking your dick after I slept ya

You’d get knocked out in less than 5 seconds. I’m 6’3”, know how to box, and you’d be out quicker than you can realize you made a mistake.

Titty Meat 07-23-2021 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15752162)
You’d get knocked out in less than 5 seconds.

The dick is that good?


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