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MahomesMagic 02-24-2024 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17415703)
Mooney seems like a pretty decent player to replace MVS but I don't see the $10 millon APY figure. He had 1 TD and like 400 yards this year. Less than 500 and only 2 TD's the year before that.

His value isn't that high. I'm thinking probably $7-8 million APY is fair value for him.

Not happening.

All it takes is one other team and he's young, runs a 4.3 and has produced before.

Chargem 02-24-2024 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17416190)
Ogbah is cut by the dolphins. Bring him in for the right price to bridge the gap while we wait for CO?

This occurred to me too, you need 1 veteran DE to probably be the starter/rotate heavily with FAU, that cannot be Herring I don't think.

I don't know what his price would be though, compared to say Danna who we think the Chiefs probably can't afford to bring back

AusChief 02-25-2024 12:41 AM

I like Mooney if he comes cheap. But anything around the MVS money is theft. His highlights remain elite but he’s been bad on a bad team. He’s WR 3 for them now and that says most of what you need to know regardless of who’s playing QB for them.

On a cheap prove it deal then sure absolute. A multi year decent contract should be a hard pass.

In regards to WR I think we sleep off the first days of FA and wait to see who’s bluffing and then maybe see who might get released in a cap dump. A Lockett or Mike Williams for example.

Couch-Potato 02-25-2024 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by AusChief (Post 17416690)
I like Mooney if he comes cheap. But anything around the MVS money is theft. His highlights remain elite but he’s been bad on a bad team. He’s WR 3 for them now and that says most of what you need to know regardless of who’s playing QB for them.

On a cheap prove it deal then sure absolute. A multi year decent contract should be a hard pass.

In regards to WR I think we sleep off the first days of FA and wait to see who’s bluffing and then maybe see who might get released in a cap dump. A Lockett or Mike Williams for example.

I prefer DJ Chark over Mooney, as a low cost option, personally.

He's slightly more seasoned, a better replacement size-wise for MVS at 6-3 200 lbs w/ 4.34 speed, and played for $3m last season.

He also outperformed both MVS, Mooney, and Hardman last season.

Seems like a no brainer to me.

Couch-Potato 02-25-2024 11:26 AM

I'm curious though, do you think the Chiefs explore a restructure with MVS?

He caught some nice balls in the post-season.

bigjosh 02-25-2024 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17416871)
I prefer DJ Chark over Mooney, as a low cost option, personally.

He's slightly more seasoned, a better replacement size-wise for MVS at 6-3 200 lbs w/ 4.34 speed, and played for $3m last season.

He also outperformed both MVS, Mooney, and Hardman last season.

Seems like a no brainer to me.


I was big on chark a few years ago. I think the talent was there but he misses time often and hasnt really been a wr2 level receiver for a few years. On a carolina team devoid of wr talent he did almost nothing last year while actually playing in almost all the games.

His salary was 5m last year. I would take him for that or less with the understanding that he is essentially another MVS flyer.

If mooney would take the same 5m, i would rather have him. If you watch Chicago at all you see this dude flying open constantly. And he has missed minimal time too.


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bigjosh 02-25-2024 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17416888)
I'm curious though, do you think the Chiefs explore a restructure with MVS?

He caught some nice balls in the post-season.


The only reason i think this is a possibility is because he is the only real vet that can help young wrs learn the offense, but i suppose Watson could do that too.

I dont think a “restructure” is right. I think it would have to be a straight up pay cut.

Couch-Potato 02-25-2024 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjosh (Post 17416900)
I was big on chark a few years ago. I think the talent was there but he misses time often and hasnt really been a wr2 level receiver for a few years. On a carolina team devoid of wr talent he did almost nothing last year while actually playing in almost all the games.

His salary was 5m last year. I would take him for that or less with the understanding that he is essentially another MVS flyer.

If mooney would take the same 5m, i would rather have him. If you watch Chicago at all you see this dude flying open constantly. And he has missed minimal time too.


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His prev contract was 1yr $5m, last year he played on a 1yr $3m deal. Still out produced both MVS and Mooney, I'm not expecting him to be a #2, more like #3 or #4.

MahomesMagic 02-25-2024 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17416871)
I prefer DJ Chark over Mooney, as a low cost option, personally.

He's slightly more seasoned, a better replacement size-wise for MVS at 6-3 200 lbs w/ 4.34 speed, and played for $3m last season.

He also outperformed both MVS, Mooney, and Hardman last season.

Seems like a no brainer to me.

Chark is way too meh for me.


Just a vertical guy that runs downs the field.

Mooney is a way better player and will get more $$$$ in FA.

kozzman555 02-25-2024 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17417091)
Chark is way too meh for me.


Just a vertical guy that runs downs the field.

Mooney is a way better player and will get more $$$$ in FA.

I thought I read somewhere that DJ Chark was in the top 10 of wide receivers this last year for lack of separation. How does a vertical guy lead the league in not being able to get separation if he's a deep ball guy? He was pretty good a couple of years ago, but has dropped off in a big way recently.

Stryker 02-25-2024 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17415703)
Mooney seems like a pretty decent player to replace MVS but I don't see the $10 millon APY figure. He had 1 TD and like 400 yards this year. Less than 500 and only 2 TD's the year before that.

His value isn't that high. I'm thinking probably $7-8 million APY is fair value for him.

That is exactly why I do not understand the Mooney connection with the CHIEFS?

Stryker 02-25-2024 09:34 PM

Tyron Smith - Hell to the no! Can't help the club in the tub!

Ekeler, Man I don't know - he was God awful last season yet, wanted to prove himself towards the end of the season. He basically F'd me in FF last season. :banghead:

Chris Meck 02-25-2024 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 17417367)
That is exactly why I do not understand the Mooney connection with the CHIEFS?

Lemme 'splain:

Mooney had a 1000 yard season under coach Nagy (our offense) with Turdbiskey at QB.

Then The Bears drafted Fields. Fields sucks.
Mooney got injured, and while out, DJ Moore became the focal point of the downfield passing attack.

Fields isn't a guy that gets to his second read, he just reads one, and either dumps it off short or takes off running.

So DJ Moore gets the lion's share of targets, the TE gets the dump-offs, and Fields runs the rest of the time.

So, Mooney, who is still young, has had a 1000 yard season IN THIS OFFENSE, with Matt Nagy, who's our offensive coordinator. He runs a 4.3. He can fly.

Stryker 02-25-2024 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17417376)
Lemme 'splain:

Mooney had a 1000 yard season under coach Nagy (our offense) with Turdbiskey at QB.

Then The Bears drafted Fields. Fields sucks.
Mooney got injured, and while out, DJ Moore became the focal point of the downfield passing attack.

Fields isn't a guy that gets to his second read, he just reads one, and either dumps it off short or takes off running.

So DJ Moore gets the lion's share of targets, the TE gets the dump-offs, and Fields runs the rest of the time.

So, Mooney, who is still young, has had a 1000 yard season IN THIS OFFENSE, with Matt Nagy, who's our offensive coordinator. He runs a 4.3. He can fly.

Ok, I get it now and thank you for the splain! :thumb:

duncan_idaho 02-26-2024 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17417376)
Lemme 'splain:

Mooney had a 1000 yard season under coach Nagy (our offense) with Turdbiskey at QB.

Then The Bears drafted Fields. Fields sucks.
Mooney got injured, and while out, DJ Moore became the focal point of the downfield passing attack.

Fields isn't a guy that gets to his second read, he just reads one, and either dumps it off short or takes off running.

So DJ Moore gets the lion's share of targets, the TE gets the dump-offs, and Fields runs the rest of the time.

So, Mooney, who is still young, has had a 1000 yard season IN THIS OFFENSE, with Matt Nagy, who's our offensive coordinator. He runs a 4.3. He can fly.

Yeah, Mooney is not a sexy addition because of how things have been going in Chicago the last 2 years, but it's one of those moves that could just look really smart and prompt Jesse Pinkman/getting away with it memes.

He's not my #1 target for the FA WR room, but if Darnell Mooney being the WR they add means they keep Chris Jones, I can be down with that for sure.

He's a fast guy who can do the Valdes-Scantling things, but also can do some of the gadget things, too.


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