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htismaqe 11-02-2020 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tyecopeland (Post 15294119)
Mahomes int rate is 1.4%
Lamar rate is 1.7%.

His biggest issue is 21 fumbles.

The ravens can definitely win a playoff game. Super bowl, eh, probably not. Unless they just get the right teams to play.

Let's put the INT rates in context, shall we?

Mahomes in 2018 was 2.1%. Last year 1.0%. This year 0.4%.

Jackson in 2018 was 1.8%. Last year 1.5%. This year 2.1%.

Mahomes is getting better, Jackson is getting WORSE.

I'll believe they're a contending team when they actually PROVE they're a contending team. Right now, they are frauds. Exposed twice in the playoffs. Not just beaten, EXPOSED. And have yet to beat a team that was competing with them for being the best in the AFC.

Megatron96 11-02-2020 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tyecopeland (Post 15294181)
That was a quick change of mind.

Eh, Maybe. Only about 5% of my mind is on this conversation right now. Watching the game mostly.

But,

If I understand him correctly, he's saying that while brady has certainly regressed making throws outside the numbers, he's still a lot better than the other two guys. Which he might be right. They're all pretty bad at it, but maybe the other two guys are worse than I think they are.

Which is possible. Brady is bad, but maybe the other guys are REALLY, really bad, and I didn't take that into account.

Jewish Rabbi 11-02-2020 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 15294032)
You don't think Lamar Jackson can win in the playoffs?



True but game was still very close. You guys are acting like Ravens got blown out. They are a good team.

Lamar isn't a great passer but you combine his ability to throw to TEs, not throw INTs and of course his running ability I think overall he is a good QB

Eat **** pie, queer.

PAChiefsGuy 11-02-2020 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15294252)
Let's put the INT rates in context, shall we?

Mahomes in 2018 was 2.1%. Last year 1.0%. This year 0.4%.

Jackson in 2018 was 1.8%. Last year 1.5%. This year 2.1%.

Mahomes is getting better, Jackson is getting WORSE.

I'll believe they're a contending team when they actually PROVE they're a contending team. Right now, they are frauds. Exposed twice in the playoffs. Not just beaten, EXPOSED. And have yet to beat a team that was competing with them for being the best in the AFC.

I agree Larmar has to win a playoff game before ppl consider him legit but he is 23. He's got some time to do it lol.

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 15294348)
Eat **** pie, queer.

Nice to meet you too.

dlphg9 11-02-2020 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 15294356)
I agree Larmar has to win a playoff game before ppl consider him legit but he is 23. He's got some time to do it lol.



Nice to meet you too.

He's 23, but he's regressing and taking more and more hits.

So in 7 games this season he's had 4 games with a sub 60% completion percentage. In the Pitt game he was terrible 46% comp rate, 2 int, 3 fumbles, 2 fumbles lost, but he had 208 passing yards! The 2nd highest of the year for him! A game with a 46%, 51%, 53%, and 59% completion percent. He's also taking an incredible amount of sacks (19 sacks in 7 games, on pace for 43 sacks, had 16 sacks in 2018, 23 in 2019).

Lol he peaked last year and then is shitting the bed this year. He's on a downward trend and has become exposed to any decent team.

Also he had 3.46 yards per pass attempt against us. That's literally horrendous.

Why Not? 11-03-2020 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tyecopeland (Post 15294119)

The ravens can definitely win a playoff game.

There is yet to be any empirical evidence that this version of the Ravens can, in fact, win a playoff game.

Sorry 11-03-2020 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 15293713)
I dont think Greg roman has ever had a passing offense that didn't finish bottom 3 in the NFL. He is what he is.

Hes the guy who can maximize Lamar's running, but his passing game always blows. Its uncreative and conservative. If the goal is to develop lamar as a passer, his hyper conservative pass offense wont be it.

This isnt surprising. Roman isnt new. This is what always happens.

This.

Roman is a mastermind when it comes to devising running schemes w/ Running capable Qbs, but dev. a passing oriented playbook is beyond him.

PAChiefsGuy 11-03-2020 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 15294584)
He's 23, but he's regressing and taking more and more hits.

So in 7 games this season he's had 4 games with a sub 60% completion percentage. In the Pitt game he was terrible 46% comp rate, 2 int, 3 fumbles, 2 fumbles lost, but he had 208 passing yards! The 2nd highest of the year for him! A game with a 46%, 51%, 53%, and 59% completion percent. He's also taking an incredible amount of sacks (19 sacks in 7 games, on pace for 43 sacks, had 16 sacks in 2018, 23 in 2019).

Lol he peaked last year and then is shitting the bed this year. He's on a downward trend and has become exposed to any decent team.

Also he had 3.46 yards per pass attempt against us. That's literally horrendous.

Yeah he sucks. He peaked last year and there is a 0% chance he improves at all even though he is 23.
Time to cut him!

dlphg9 11-03-2020 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 15294600)
Yeah he sucks. He peaked last year and there is a 0% chance he improves at all even though he is 23.
Time to cut him!

Just posting the stats. If you take out his first game this year where he had 20 completions on 25 attempts good for a solid 80% completion rate, then he is at 57% on the season. Here are his passing stats by game

Cleveland
27th Scoring D, 26th pass D, 11th run D
20/25, 80% comp, 275 yds, 3 TDs

Houston
30th scoring D, 22nd pass D, 31 run D
18/24, 75% comp, 1 TD

KC
3rd scoring D, 3rd passing D, 29th rushing D
15/28, 53% comp, 97 yds, 1 TD

Was
11 scoring D. 1st pass D, 17th run D
14/21, 66.67% comp, 193 yds, 2 TD, 1 int

Cin
21st Scoring D, 24th pass D, 30th run D
19/37, 51.35% comp, 180 YDs, 2 TDs, 1 int

Phi
16th scoring D, 5th pass D, 24th run D
16/27, 59.26% comp, 186 yds, 1 TDs

Pit
6 scoring, 7th pass D, 5th run D
13/28, 46.43% comp, 208 YDs, 2 TDs, 2 ints

Dude can't hit the broad side of a barn. I give him a 5% chance of winning more than 1 playoff game and over the next couple of years he's gonna be spending a lot of time injured.

Rasputin 11-03-2020 01:40 AM

League's MVP.

Jewish Rabbi 11-03-2020 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 15294600)
Yeah he sucks. He peaked last year and there is a 0% chance he improves at all even though he is 23.
Time to cut him!

Mods, please change username to PARavensGuy

PAChiefsGuy 11-03-2020 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 15294642)
Just posting the stats. If you take out his first game this year where he had 20 completions on 25 attempts good for a solid 80% completion rate, then he is at 57% on the season. Here are his passing stats by game

Cleveland
27th Scoring D, 26th pass D, 11th run D
20/25, 80% comp, 275 yds, 3 TDs

Houston
30th scoring D, 22nd pass D, 31 run D
18/24, 75% comp, 1 TD

KC
3rd scoring D, 3rd passing D, 29th rushing D
15/28, 53% comp, 97 yds, 1 TD

Was
11 scoring D. 1st pass D, 17th run D
14/21, 66.67% comp, 193 yds, 2 TD, 1 int

Cin
21st Scoring D, 24th pass D, 30th run D
19/37, 51.35% comp, 180 YDs, 2 TDs, 1 int

Phi
16th scoring D, 5th pass D, 24th run D
16/27, 59.26% comp, 186 yds, 1 TDs

Pit
6 scoring, 7th pass D, 5th run D
13/28, 46.43% comp, 208 YDs, 2 TDs, 2 ints

Dude can't hit the broad side of a barn. I give him a 5% chance of winning more than 1 playoff game and over the next couple of years he's gonna be spending a lot of time injured.

Why don't you post his rushing stats and scores of games as well?

He's not a conventional QB so keep that in mind when posting his stats. Injuries can happen to anyone so far he's been fine. Hurt less in his career than Mahomes if I am correct

Coogs 11-03-2020 06:33 AM

I don't think there is any doubt that Lamar can and will win a playoff game. The question is can he win one when the game is put squarely on his shoulders?

Mahomes has played in 5 playoff games. Record is 4-1.

First game against the Colts was rather routine. That's a game Jackson could win as well.


But the other 4?

Mahomes AFC Championship vs Pats. Game placed squarely on his shoulders. Down 14-0 at half. Down 17-7 after 3rd quarter. Puts team ahead not once, but twice in the 4th quarter. Should have been enough. Wasn't. Yet still gets it tied with only seconds to play. Loses coin flip. Game over.

Down 24-0 to Houston. Scores on 7 or so straight possessions to win going away.

Down 10 twice in AFC Championship to Titans. Wins going away late.

Down 10 late in Super Bowl after 2 second half INT's. Wins going away late again.

Mahomes has faced about as much adversity as he possibly could have in the playoffs, yet has answered the bell every damn time so far. Will he win everytime? No. Pats game proves that. But he most likely will be able to carry his team when the game is placed on his shoulders.

All of the great ones can do that.

With Lamar, that question is still out there.

penchief 11-03-2020 06:43 AM

Sounds like he’s related to Antonio.

PAChiefsGuy 11-03-2020 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 15294732)
I don't think there is any doubt that Lamar can and will win a playoff game. The question is can he win one when the game is put squarely on his shoulders?

Mahomes has played in 5 playoff games. Record is 4-1.

First game against the Colts was rather routine. That's a game Jackson could win as well.


But the other 4?

Mahomes AFC Championship vs Pats. Game placed squarely on his shoulders. Down 14-0 at half. Down 17-7 after 3rd quarter. Puts team ahead not once, but twice in the 4th quarter. Should have been enough. Wasn't. Yet still gets it tied with only seconds to play. Loses coin flip. Game over.

Down 24-0 to Houston. Scores on 7 or so straight possessions to win going away.

Down 10 twice in AFC Championship to Titans. Wins going away late.

Down 10 late in Super Bowl after 2 second half INT's. Wins going away late again.

Mahomes has faced about as much adversity as he possibly could have in the playoffs, yet has answered the bell every damn time so far. Will he win everytime? No. Pats game proves that. But he most likely will be able to carry his team when the game is placed on his shoulders.

All of the great ones can do that.

With Lamar, that question is still out there.

Exactly!

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 15294705)
Mods, please change username to PARavensGuy

Its called being objective.

The guy was MVP last season and voted #1 player by those actually playing the game and you want to call me a Ravens fan because i think he is a good QB? **** outta here.


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