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htismaqe 03-07-2021 01:10 AM

Dickerson's injury history is a non-starter for me.

You guys know how I am about guys that can't play because they're hurt all the time.

I'm just starting to get the sense that it's something the Chiefs might actually do.

staylor26 03-07-2021 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15574875)
Dickerson's injury history is a non-starter for me.

You guys know how I am about guys that can't play because they're hurt all the time.

I'm just starting to get the sense that it's something the Chiefs might actually do.

It’s not a risk I’m personally willing to take at 31. At 63? Fine. But you’re absolutely right. It’s a legitimate possibility that everybody should prepare for.

I will however say this, if we took him at 31 and he stays healthy, we got one hell of a player.

staylor26 03-07-2021 01:19 AM

I mean this guy is NASTY. He’s the kind of guy that changes the culture and attitude of the OL like Clark and Mathieu did defensively.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Flex on em’ Landon Dickerson...<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PassProIsNotPassive?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PassProIsNotPassive</a> <a href="https://t.co/1H07fZ0t8B">pic.twitter.com/1H07fZ0t8B</a></p>&mdash; Cole Cubelic (@colecubelic) <a href="https://twitter.com/colecubelic/status/1178306880139083777?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Show up for the double by <a href="https://twitter.com/AlabamaFTBL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AlabamaFTBL</a> RG &amp; RT Landon Dickerson &amp; Jedrick Wills...wait for the extra sauce at the end. <a href="https://t.co/hNjN0JGaXT">pic.twitter.com/hNjN0JGaXT</a></p>&mdash; Cole Cubelic (@colecubelic) <a href="https://twitter.com/colecubelic/status/1178771532128100352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Again, not a risk I’m willing to take at 31. Just trying to show why the NFL loves this guy.

Chris Meck 03-07-2021 01:45 AM

I look at Little as a Niang clone.

TONS of talent, absolutely COULD be the best OT in this class. But there was the injury, and then covid opt out, and there's just not much tape there.

But they don't let dummies into Stanford, and he's got all the physical attributes.

It might take a year, but I think his ceiling is very high, and his floor fairly high too.

I doubt he'll go in round one. Maybe in two, but all the various draft engines are ranking him in the third. If that's where he goes, that would be a steal I think.

IF we were able to drop out of #31 to 40-ish, nab an extra 3rd and pick him up we'd be in really good shape at OT moving forward.

That's no small thing.

*okay, so...in the same way that Niang LOOKS like Roaf, in the way he's built and the way he moves...Little looks like Bakhtiari to me. Not saying either reaches those status of players, just saying they look the part, move the same way, etc. I can see that projection. Which is, of course, wishful thinking.

Chris Meck 03-07-2021 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15574885)
I mean this guy is NASTY. He’s the kind of guy that changes the culture and attitude of the OL like Clark and Mathieu did defensively.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Flex on em’ Landon Dickerson...<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PassProIsNotPassive?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PassProIsNotPassive</a> <a href="https://t.co/1H07fZ0t8B">pic.twitter.com/1H07fZ0t8B</a></p>&mdash; Cole Cubelic (@colecubelic) <a href="https://twitter.com/colecubelic/status/1178306880139083777?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Show up for the double by <a href="https://twitter.com/AlabamaFTBL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AlabamaFTBL</a> RG &amp; RT Landon Dickerson &amp; Jedrick Wills...wait for the extra sauce at the end. <a href="https://t.co/hNjN0JGaXT">pic.twitter.com/hNjN0JGaXT</a></p>&mdash; Cole Cubelic (@colecubelic) <a href="https://twitter.com/colecubelic/status/1178771532128100352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Again, not a risk I’m willing to take at 31. Just trying to show why the NFL loves this guy.

I get it, I love it too. I just see a very similar player when I watch Meinerz tape, and he's not got a laundry list of injury problems.

and of course, I get it, different level of competition. But the nasty streak is the same.

All those injuries though. Man.

Chris Meck 03-07-2021 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15574875)
Dickerson's injury history is a non-starter for me.

You guys know how I am about guys that can't play because they're hurt all the time.

I'm just starting to get the sense that it's something the Chiefs might actually do.

I'm not FER it.

But I could understand it.

Picking #31 or #32 every year, you're going to have to get a little lucky; and maybe taking a chance on a player who drops not due to talent but something other than that is how you can stay on top.

But man, so many injuries with that guy.

I kind of feel similar about Jaelen Phillips.

Tribal Warfare 03-07-2021 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15574893)
I look at Little as a Niang clone.

TONS of talent, absolutely COULD be the best OT in this class. But there was the injury, and then covid opt out, and there's just not much tape there.

But they don't let dummies into Stanford, and he's got all the physical attributes.

It might take a year, but I think his ceiling is very high, and his floor fairly high too.

I doubt he'll go in round one. Maybe in two, but all the various draft engines are ranking him in the third. If that's where he goes, that would be a steal I think.

IF we were able to drop out of #31 to 40-ish, nab an extra 3rd and pick him up we'd be in really good shape at OT moving forward.

That's no small thing.

*okay, so...in the same way that Niang LOOKS like Roaf, in the way he's built and the way he moves...Little looks like Bakhtiari to me. Not saying either reaches those status of players, just saying they look the part, move the same way, etc. I can see that projection. Which is, of course, wishful thinking.

IMO, I believe Walker Little will be guy Veach will target because he's Reid's prototypical OT

RunKC 03-07-2021 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15574875)
Dickerson's injury history is a non-starter for me.

You guys know how I am about guys that can't play because they're hurt all the time.

I'm just starting to get the sense that it's something the Chiefs might actually do.

He’s started at every single position on the OL in college as well so he’s a good prospect, he’s just a broke dick.

duncan_idaho 03-07-2021 09:41 AM

I really do understand the Dickerson love. He’s perfect save for the injury history. That’s a big blemish, though.

Personally, a the best situation IMO is a trade down scenario where they end up in position to secure Little and grab one of Humphrey or Meinerz. Pair that with a FA bandaid for LT and I think you’ve got the OL addressed and set up well for the future.

They get an upgrade at C immediately and have a couple of different ways to attack both LT and RT if Fisher and Schwartz aren’t able to go or get reinjured.

Coogs 03-07-2021 10:20 AM

What do you guys think of Spence Brown out of Northern Iowa? Everything I have read and seen on him seem like a good fit here, and could be someone we could get in the 2nd for sure, and possibly the 3rd. Almost 6-9. 315, benches 500 lbs. Runs a sub 5 40. Seems like a guy that would fit our MO.

staylor26 03-07-2021 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 15575031)
What do you guys think of Spence Brown out of Northern Iowa? Everything I have read and seen on him seem like a good fit here, and could be someone we could get in the 2nd for sure, and possibly the 3rd. Almost 6-9. 315, benches 500 lbs. Runs a sub 5 40. Seems like a guy that would fit our MO.

Yea he’s absolutely a fit and I’m sure there’s some interest there.

RunKC 03-07-2021 08:57 PM

Liam Eichenberg

That’s the popular name on Chiefs Twitter. I could see them taking him

staylor26 03-07-2021 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15575545)
Liam Eichenberg

That’s the popular name on Chiefs Twitter. I could see them taking him

Serious question. What/who is considered Chiefs Twitter? Fans? Media?

The Franchise 03-07-2021 09:32 PM

Give me Dillon Radunz or James Hudson.

RunKC 03-08-2021 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15575569)
Serious question. What/who is considered Chiefs Twitter? Fans? Media?

Arrowhead pride, bj kissel, reporters like Herbie and Nate and many other chiefs fans.


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