Did all of Boeing's engineers vanish into the rapture? Are they shuffling in tail pipe installers from SpiritAirlines to do the math for their rocket launches? LOL. The general aviation side of Boeing has as much to do with their rocket programs as the web developers at "X" do with with Elons 13+ billion dollar subsidized rocket company.

T-12 Minutes for S30 static fire 🚀

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It's great to have to research the inner workings of a company to see if your life is in the hands of competent people, or the type of people who can't install a ****ing door correctly. LMAO

never mind, hearing "scrubbed"

You're aware that the most recent two-year delay was because their last test launch test had multiple failures, right?

Figuratively? Yes. They've been losing older engineers to retirement and younger engineers to New Space companies like SpaceX, Blue Origin, and RocketLab.

From the outside it just looks like they had a reading that wasn't nominal and the engineers scrubbed the mission. That's not a "failure" that's somebody doing their job. And if I'm tasked with flying out on one of these things that's what I'd want to see. Musk may or may not have allowed that. Musk is in love with himself and his public image and if I'm a hard nosed NASA astronaut that scares me more than a buzzing oxygen valve. And you also have to look at the culture that SpaceX comes out of. Tesla is heavily subsidized by the government and they're allowed to ship out an auto-pilot feature that caused 700+ crashes and plenty of death and destruction. Boeing aviation had TWO crashes and ate shit, had public hearings and lost considerable stock value. Which side is going to be more likely to listen to engineers and which would go "agile" and tolerate risk? It's probably going to be the side that gets cute with industry terms like "rapid unplanned disassembly".

Ship 30 static fire attempt in roughly an hour.

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Musk doesn't get to personally decide if a mission scrubs or not, and SpaceX has scrubbed plenty of launches. In fact, SpaceX just scrubbed a hotfire yesterday.

Also, Boeing Starliner failed its first launch because the clock in the control program was wrong, causing the engines to fire early and use up their fuel too quickly, meaning that it could not reach its intended orbit. How the control program was allowed to go to launch without being fully tested is beyond me.

If I had to choose a program to put me into space, I'd pick the one with the proven successful program.

While I give Elon credit for setting ambitious visions for the future, the reality is that a ton of SpaceX's success comes from their operational excellence, and I give most of the credit for that to Gwynne rather than Elon. I largely discredit anyone's opinion about SpaceX if they don't understand her role in all of this. (I'm confident that Tesla would be in much better shape if they had a "Gwynne" of their own.)

More broadly, it's pretty clear that seamonster doesn't actually understand this stuff, so the debate isn't really worth the effort.

For the record:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Starliner?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Starliner</a> launch update:<br><br>NASA, <a href="https://twitter.com/BoeingSpace?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BoeingSpace</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/ulalaunch?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ULALaunch</a> are now targeting no earlier than 6:16pm ET May 17 for the launch of the agency&#39;s Boeing Crew Flight Test to <a href="https://twitter.com/Space_Station?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Space_Station</a>, following a valve replacement on ULA&#39;s Atlas V rocket: <a href="https://t.co/NBSVcFQrnB">https://t.co/NBSVcFQrnB</a> <a href="https://t.co/ayQGXFSkKW">pic.twitter.com/ayQGXFSkKW</a></p>&mdash; NASA Commercial Crew (@Commercial_Crew) <a href="https://twitter.com/Commercial_Crew/status/1788184006007066799?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 8, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-theme="dark"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From flying customer satellites, cargo and astronauts to orbit and deploying additional <a href="https://twitter.com/Starlink?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Starlink</a> satellites to connect millions of people around the world, it’s been an extraordinary year so far and we&#39;re not even halfway done yet!</p>&mdash; Gwynne Shotwell (@Gwynne_Shotwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/Gwynne_Shotwell/status/1790468333374214568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 14, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

On pace for ~135 Falcon launches in 2024. 🚀 🤯

Go SpaceX! Go Falcon!

Chiefs Kingdom checking in from the Orbital Launch Integration Tower!

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Starship Flight 4 Wet Dress Rehearsal is underway.

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You have to wonder if this thing will ever make it to regular service. It seems cursed.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s the latest from NASA on Starliner. The path forward is unclear for the Crew Flight Test, and there’s a real possibility of a longer delay. <a href="https://t.co/wHl2KeRCSS">pic.twitter.com/wHl2KeRCSS</a></p>— Stephen Clark (@StephenClark1) <a href="https://twitter.com/StephenClark1/status/1793093394002309165?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 22, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>