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OKchiefs 07-28-2019 09:26 PM

This has to bottom out at some point, doesn't it? Eventually contending teams are going to see that a number of their prospects aren't developing and they need to make significant trades to contend. Or is that wishful thinking?

BigCatDaddy 07-28-2019 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 14368140)
Be interesting to see how the next few days go. We've all talked about how the trade market has completely tanked, but now the Padres don't even want to give up a top 100 prospect for Syndergaard, who isn't even a rental. He's got multiple years left on his contract.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Mets?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Mets</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Padres?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Padres</a> continue discussing Noah Syndergaard, source says it’s clear San Diego will not include MacKenzie Gore in the trade — especially after the Stroman deal did not include a top 100 prospect per <a href="https://twitter.com/MLBPipeline?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MLBPipeline</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/MLBNetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MLBNetwork</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MLB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MLB</a></p>&mdash; Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) <a href="https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1155663276144881664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Exactly why these trade for whatever you can get takes are utterly reeruned.

Chiefspants 07-28-2019 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 14368140)
Be interesting to see how the next few days go. We've all talked about how the trade market has completely tanked, but now the Padres don't even want to give up a top 100 prospect for Syndergaard, who isn't even a rental. He's got multiple years left on his contract.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Mets?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Mets</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Padres?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Padres</a> continue discussing Noah Syndergaard, source says it’s clear San Diego will not include MacKenzie Gore in the trade — especially after the Stroman deal did not include a top 100 prospect per <a href="https://twitter.com/MLBPipeline?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MLBPipeline</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/MLBNetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MLBNetwork</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MLB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MLB</a></p>&mdash; Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) <a href="https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1155663276144881664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It feels like such a Mets move to unintentionally tank the value of the asset they're trying to trade.

WhawhaWhat 07-29-2019 06:32 AM

Cubs Shopping Martin Maldonado

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The Cubs acquired catcher Martin Maldonado from the Royals just two weeks ago, though Chicago is already exploring the possibility of flipping Maldonado elsewhere, The Athletic’s Robert Murray reports (subscription required). The veteran backstop “has been marketed in trade discussions….with the Houston Astros emerging as a particular team of interest,” The Athletic’s Patrick Mooney writes.

Willson Contreras hit the injured list at roughly the same time as the original Maldonado trade, and since Contreras is now back in action, Maldonado is something of an expendable piece on a Cubs catching depth chart that also includes Victor Caratini. Maldonado has seen barely any action since coming to Wrigleyville, and is hitless (0-for-11) over 13 plate appearances in four games for the Cubs.

If Maldonado is dealt, it will be interesting to see what the Cubbies will net in return, given that they sent a fairly interesting asset in swingman Mike Montgomery to Kansas City for Maldonado in the first place. Montgomery has struggled in 2019, though he has posted good results in the past and is under control through the 2021 season.

It isn’t any surprise that Houston is again linked to Maldonado, as the Astros were had interest in obtaining him from the Royals before he was dealt to Chicago. If a deal was completed, it would mark the second straight year that the Astros picked Maldonado up in a trade deadline move; Houston nabbed him from the Angels last July.

Mecca 07-29-2019 06:34 AM

If Syndergaard is dealt to San Diego or Houston the Mets will look really bad as those teams are good with pitchers.

duncan_idaho 07-29-2019 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 14368140)
Be interesting to see how the next few days go. We've all talked about how the trade market has completely tanked, but now the Padres don't even want to give up a top 100 prospect for Syndergaard, who isn't even a rental. He's got multiple years left on his contract.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Mets?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Mets</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Padres?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Padres</a> continue discussing Noah Syndergaard, source says it’s clear San Diego will not include MacKenzie Gore in the trade — especially after the Stroman deal did not include a top 100 prospect per <a href="https://twitter.com/MLBPipeline?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MLBPipeline</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/MLBNetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MLBNetwork</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MLB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MLB</a></p>— Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) <a href="https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1155663276144881664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


I don’t read that as the Padres saying they won’t trade a top 100, just not MacKenzie Gore. That makes sense. Gore is a consensus top 5 prospect in baseball and is one of a handful of pitching prospects with true ace potential.

The Padres have a bunch of top 100 guys they could send the Mets. Adrian Morejon and Luis Urias are both somewhat expendable. Michel Baez. Ryan Weathers.

I doubt they would move Patiño and they won’t move Gore, but they still have more than enough beyond those two to get it done.

tk13 07-29-2019 08:20 AM

That's a fair point. Although if you're going to trade two and a half years of a talent like Syndergaard, you want to get a sure fire ace back.

FringeNC 07-29-2019 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14368367)
I don’t read that as the Padres saying they won’t trade a top 100, just not MacKenzie Gore. That makes sense. Gore is a consensus top 5 prospect in baseball and is one of a handful of pitching prospects with true ace potential.

The Padres have a bunch of top 100 guys they could send the Mets. Adrian Morejon and Luis Urias are both somewhat expendable. Michel Baez. Ryan Weathers.

I doubt they would move Patiño and they won’t move Gore, but they still have more than enough beyond those two to get it done.

Yeah, no way Syndergaard gets dealt without getting a lot back. If SD won't give it to them, somebody else would.

Chris Meck 07-29-2019 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 14367913)
My dad took me to the game, he’s almost 80, wanted Gates for lunch. I asked him if he wanted something healthier. He said “No” then hung up on me.

the trick with Gates is to go to the one on Cleaver II. It's right by the Rib-Tech. It's still good. Everywhere else is hit and miss.

Prison Bitch 07-29-2019 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14368585)
the trick with Gates is to go to the one on Cleaver II. It's right by the Rib-Tech. It's still good. Everywhere else is hit and miss.

We meet at the one off 12&Brooklyn. It really is the only place to eat before Summer Royals games.

Titty Meat 07-29-2019 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 14368848)
We meet at the one off 12&Brooklyn. It really is the only place to eat before Summer Royals games.

I'm surprised you go down to the hood

siberian khatru 07-29-2019 12:52 PM

I thought this was an excellent piece from RR on Nicky Lopez's struggles: https://www.royalsreview.com/2019/7/...ntact#comments

Basically, he makes way too soft contact, and he's making too much contact by swinging at and hitting balls out of the strike zone. He needs to make harder contact, and be more selective at the plate. Hitting a bunch of balls softly is killing him.

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Lopez’s average exit velocity is 83.6 MPH, in the range where batting averages hover around .219. Sure enough. Lopez’s 2019 batting average is .222. And he gets there because he just makes contact with everything.

Prison Bitch 07-29-2019 03:41 PM

He’s the perfect Dayton guy , swings at everything, makes weak contact, and can run fast. Yay!



I think we’ve acquired like 7 more dudes just like Nicky this past 18 months.

FringeNC 07-29-2019 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 14368916)
I thought this was an excellent piece from RR on Nicky Lopez's struggles: https://www.royalsreview.com/2019/7/...ntact#comments

Basically, he makes way too soft contact, and he's making too much contact by swinging at and hitting balls out of the strike zone. He needs to make harder contact, and be more selective at the plate. Hitting a bunch of balls softly is killing him.

The guy had a .900+ OPS at Omaha. He can't be expected to that in the big leagues, but this shouldn't happen, either.

FringeNC 07-29-2019 04:49 PM

Vargas traded to Philly.

duncan_idaho 07-29-2019 06:21 PM

Lopez has typically struggled a bit initially each time he has moved up the ladder.

if he follows that pattern, he’ll start producing at the major league level soon.

GloryDayz 07-29-2019 09:45 PM

I'll assume that after the loss Ned recapped the game (minus any meaningful insight), talked about the thread used to stitch the baseballs, and then said goodbye?

Prison Bitch 07-30-2019 09:56 AM

Let’s talk Alex, first two months vs last wto

233ab 9hr 38rbi 2.17iso .509slg 127wRC+
204ab 2hr 22rbi 0.96iso .384slg 92wRC+


He’s about done as an MLB regular. Just crazy how y’all wanted to bring this fart-face back.

RealSNR 07-30-2019 12:04 PM

So how exactly does one rebuild a bullpen? I'm not even talking about getting back to the 14-15 bullpen... just something that isn't far more likely to lose games for us than hold leads and eventually win, like it is now.

siberian khatru 07-30-2019 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 14370301)
Let’s talk Alex, first two months vs last wto

233ab 9hr 38rbi 2.17iso .509slg 127wRC+
204ab 2hr 22rbi 0.96iso .384slg 92wRC+


He’s about done as an MLB regular. Just crazy how y’all wanted to bring this fart-face back.

That second line of numbers reflects his one bad month, June.

The first 104 PAs -- June -- he was .232/.282/.337/59wRC+
The last 100 PAs -- July -- he is .344/.400/.433/125wRC+

His wRC+ by month:

April 143
May 109
June 59
July 125

That looks like a pretty standard up-and-downs of a season. His HR power has fallen off -- 9 HRs the first two months, 2 since. But otherwise, he's bounced back quite nicely from a terrible June. He's hardly "about done as an MLB regular." Let's see how he finishes before writing him off.

duncan_idaho 07-30-2019 03:15 PM

Duncan's Top 25 for 2019 (plus some bonus guys)
 
Here's my long-awaited (at least in my own mind) look at the Royals' rebuilding system. It still needs work - more depth and more position talent - but this is a far cry from writing up things that made me kind of want to cry. As usual, I've switched up my approach a bit this time, using a tiering system. Read on.

Tier 1: These are the guys who will make a lot of top 100 lists. Major improvement in this tier for KC from the past few seasons.

1. Bobby Witt, Jr. SS. Rookie – AZL. Top 50
Witt has the most upside of any player in the Royals’ system, and is the player who looks most likely to become truly elite prospect and eventually a superstar major leaguer. At his best, you’d see a guy who hits for a good average (.275+) with plus power (25+ HR) and speed (30+ SB) while playing elite defense. That’s a lineup anchor and perpetual all-star. His start at rookie ball has been fine, but nothing spectacular.

Click for 2-4
Spoiler!


Tier 2: This is where the improvement in the system really starts to pop up. The Royals have a lot more players in this range than previously. Building up a log of guys in this range preps you for making big leaps forward.

5. Kris Bubic, LH SP. A+ Wilmington. Fringe 100 (100-200 range)
Bubic has great command and a dynamite changeup that he has ridden to dynamite results at A and A+. His deception and changeup have generated a ton of swings and misses. After a slow start in Wilmington, Bubic seems to have found a stride, with a sub 2 ERA and 40 Ks in his past 28 1/3 innings. The fastball velocity is probably too low to be a mid-rotation guy, but Bubic could end up as a Marco Gonzales-like back-end starter.

Click for 6-8
Spoiler!


Tier 3+: This tier is for legit prospects who haven’t earned their way into top 100 consideration. All can be considered to be outside the top 200 or so prospects in baseball (though it doesn’t take much to move up).


9. Erick Pena, OF. TBD.
Pena’s placement is based entirely on his upside. He’s 16 and terribly far away from the majors, but guys who sign out of IFA for $2+ million dollars have star potential. If you look at the position player prospects in the Royals’ system and ask who is most likely to be a perennial all-star and lineup centerpiece, Pena probably ranks 2nd only to Witt.

Click for 10-25
Spoiler!


Relievers Tier: These guys are legitimate prospects but are limited to relief upside.


Richard Lovelady, LHP.
Lovelady is in KC again. He should be the first of a few young relievers who can help rebuild the productivity of KC’s pen. Lovelady has a floor of solid middle-innings guy who is tough on same-side hitters. If he ramps up a bit against righties, he could be a real weapon in the pen.

Click for 2 more
Spoiler!

siberian khatru 07-30-2019 03:35 PM

Great stuff, Duncan. Thanks!

Prison Bitch 07-30-2019 03:49 PM

Who’s the homo in Ducans avi?

duncan_idaho 07-30-2019 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 14370842)
Great stuff, Duncan. Thanks!


You’re welcome.

As a bonus, here are five guys from that list who are lesser known but worth paying extra attention to:

Evan Steele
Wilmin Candelario
Darryl Collins
Brady McConnell
Zack Haake

Titty Meat 07-30-2019 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 14370871)
Who’s the homo in Ducans avi?

Its him

duncan_idaho 07-30-2019 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 14370871)
Who’s the homo in Ducans avi?


What do you mean? I got rid of the Alex Smith avatar ...

Prison Bitch 07-30-2019 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 14370878)
Its him

:drool:

duncan_idaho 07-30-2019 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 14370965)
:drool:



After 18+ years, I thought it was time for the avatar to match the username...

BWillie 07-30-2019 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14370993)
After 18+ years, I thought it was time for the avatar to match the username...

I have still never seen Dune, so I guess I'll have to see the Aquaman becomes Dune one.

duncan_idaho 07-30-2019 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 14371021)
I have still never seen Dune, so I guess I'll have to see the Aquaman becomes Dune one.


Heresy!

Sick the Fremen on him!

Al Bundy 07-30-2019 07:47 PM

Montgomery doing his part to help us in the draft position.

Al Bundy 07-30-2019 08:06 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Right-hander Trevor Bauer has been traded to the Cincinnati Reds, sources familiar with the deal tells ESPN. He will move as part of a three-team deal with the San Diego Padres, according to sources.</p>&mdash; Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1156385314803453952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

tk13 07-30-2019 08:18 PM

LMAO Good luck with that. They literally sent him off to pitching purgatory. That place is a complete bandbox.

Prison Bitch 07-30-2019 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14370993)
After 18+ years, I thought it was time for the avatar to match the username...

https://media1.tenor.com/images/c40d...itemid=9244617

Al Bundy 07-30-2019 08:23 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Taylor Trammell to Padres in the 3 team trade</p>&mdash; Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1156387951775035392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bauer goes to Reds</p>&mdash; Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1156386166578524160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

tk13 07-30-2019 08:30 PM

LMAO To make it even more wild Puig just got in the middle of a fight even though he's not even on the team anymore.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/sEPZLFngCy">pic.twitter.com/sEPZLFngCy</a></p>&mdash; Red Sox Stats (@redsoxstats) <a href="https://twitter.com/redsoxstats/status/1156390177675370496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

srvy 07-30-2019 08:39 PM

Aqua Man

lewdog 07-30-2019 08:40 PM

Zimmer man.

Good to see.

Al Bundy 07-30-2019 08:52 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What we know about monster Indians-Reds-Padres three-way trade, per sources:<br><br>Cincinnati gets: RHP Trevor Bauer<br><br>Cleveland gets: OF Franmil Reyes, LHP Logan Allen, OF Yasiel Puig, 3B Victor Nova (per <a href="https://twitter.com/AJCassavell?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AJCassavell</a>)<br><br>San Diego gets: OF Taylor Trammell<br><br>LHP Scott Moss also involved.</p>&mdash; Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1156396613830696961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DanT 07-30-2019 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 14371317)
Zimmer man.

Good to see.

He looks good...easy speed! I have high hopes for him.

Mecca 07-31-2019 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 14371344)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What we know about monster Indians-Reds-Padres three-way trade, per sources:<br><br>Cincinnati gets: RHP Trevor Bauer<br><br>Cleveland gets: OF Franmil Reyes, LHP Logan Allen, OF Yasiel Puig, 3B Victor Nova (per <a href="https://twitter.com/AJCassavell?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AJCassavell</a>)<br><br>San Diego gets: OF Taylor Trammell<br><br>LHP Scott Moss also involved.</p>&mdash; Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1156396613830696961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So Cincy goes all in...Cleveland deals a dude they don't wanna pay and the Padres give up a guy with 27 HR's but really is a DH, a Soler type, and a fringe top 100 prospect for the #30 prospect in baseball?

The Padres really are taking the stockpiling prospects shit to heart.

tk13 07-31-2019 10:55 AM

That didn't last long.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ca" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Astros?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Astros</a> acquire catcher Martín Maldonado from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cubs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cubs</a>, sources tell The Athletic.</p>&mdash; Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1156609260190674945?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

ChiefsCountry 07-31-2019 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 14372138)
That didn't last long.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ca" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Astros?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Astros</a> acquire catcher Martín Maldonado from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cubs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cubs</a>, sources tell The Athletic.</p>&mdash; Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1156609260190674945?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Which of our resident idiots will be jumping up and down about this one?

Prison Bitch 07-31-2019 11:31 AM

Maldonado has been passed around more often than the clap.

WhawhaWhat 07-31-2019 11:40 AM

Cubs will be retiring Martin Maldonado's number as soon as they remember which number he was.

Mecca 07-31-2019 01:25 PM

And here are numerous deals of the day......

Nationals get:
Roenis Elias

Mariners get:
Elvis Alvarado
Taylor Guilbeau

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Nationals get:
Daniel Hudson

Jays get:
Kyle Johnson (#27 Nats prospect according to MLB.)
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Brewers get:
Ray Black
Drew Pomeranz

Giants get:
Mauricio Dubon
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A's get:
Tanner Roark

Reds get:
Jameson Hannah (#8 A's prospect according to MLB.com)


Nats get:
Hunter Strickland

Mariners get:
Aaron Fletcher (#21 prospect on Nats/MLB.com)

Diamonbacks get:
RHP Zac Gallen (#5 Marlins prospect/MLB.com)

Marlins get:
Jazz Chisholm (#1 Diamondbacks prospect and #59 overall prospect/MLB.com)

Phillies get:
Corey Dickerson

Pirates get:
Unknown at the moment

Brewers get:
Marcos Diplan

Twins get:
Cash
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Braves get:
Shane Greene

Tigers get:
Unknown at the moment
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Dodgers get:
Jedd Gyorko

Cardinals get:
Unknown

And apparently Robbie Ray to the Yankees is dead because they want Clint Frazier and 3 more guys.

Go Royals 07-31-2019 01:37 PM

We trading anybody today? Whit? Soler? Anyone?

OKchiefs 07-31-2019 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Go Royals (Post 14372442)
We trading anybody today? Whit? Soler? Anyone?

:shake:

DJ's left nut 07-31-2019 01:46 PM

Y'all really aren't gonna get Ian Kennedy traded?

Well that's surprising. There are teams that would definitely like to get their hands on that guy. He's been awfully good in relief and you see trades like the Josh Fields for Yordan Alvarez debacle every couple of seasons. Paddack was a wild card, Luis Castillo, Fernando Tatis Jr...

All of these guys were just 'meh' prospects when moved that turned into real assets. Surely the Royals know that they're pissing into the wind if they keep Kennedy around.

Mecca 07-31-2019 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14372468)
Y'all really aren't gonna get Ian Kennedy traded?

Well that's surprising. There are teams that would definitely like to get their hands on that guy. He's been awfully good in relief and you see trades like the Josh Fields for Yordan Alvarez debacle every couple of seasons. Paddack was a wild card, Luis Castillo, Fernando Tatis Jr...

All of these guys were just 'meh' prospects when moved that turned into real assets. Surely the Royals know that they're pissing into the wind if they keep Kennedy around.

The Royals refuse to eat any money hence why trades don't happen.

DJ's left nut 07-31-2019 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14372482)
The Royals refuse to eat any money hence why trades don't happen.

But....they're gonna pay him anyway.

To close games. That don't matter.

I...am puzzled.

Mecca 07-31-2019 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14372486)
But....they're gonna pay him anyway.

To close games. That don't matter.

I...am puzzled.

They're dumb, they literally think if they are going to pay money then the guy damn well better be on the team. They refuse to eat money anytime anything like this comes up.

tk13 07-31-2019 02:08 PM

Doesn't sound like there will be any more big moves.

I don't think it's that surprising, but they're having a big conversation about where baseball is on MLB Network. It goes back to what we've all talked about. Teams are so risk-averse now. You have first place championship contenders like the Yankees and Dodgers who can take on massive payrolls, and they didn't do anything major because they don't want to lose prospects.

Ten years ago, there's probably no doubt that you'd have a couple guys like Bumgarner, Wheeler or Whit traded for a package with multiple elite prospects.

tk13 07-31-2019 02:14 PM

I stand corrected. Apparently the Astros just trade for Greinke. Last minute shocker.

siberian khatru 07-31-2019 02:15 PM

The Royals refuse to eat any money on a Kennedy trade, so they keep him and ... eat all the money anyway.

They could look at it as buying a decent prospect, but no. They'd rather do nothing and SPEND ALL THAT MONEY ON IAN KENNEDY.

OKchiefs 07-31-2019 02:15 PM

Four main ways to add MLB talent:

- draft
- international free agency
- veteran free agency
- trades

Small market teams obviously can't rely too much on veteran free agency. We haven't really found anything in international free agency in a while. The draft has been better the last 2 years but you can't build a team through the draft alone. I suppose you could add another smaller category of player acquisition for rule 5 or other under the radar type additions, but Brad Keller success stories are relatively rare.

I don't know how a small market team can add enough talent to be competitive if they are either unwilling or incapable of making smart trades. I've already moved on from trading Merrifield as that's simply never going to happen. But Moore/Glass can't even make up for shitty contracts given out by throwing in some money to help facilitate a trade for guys like Duffy or Kennedy?

I don't see how anyone can have faith that they'll be able to add enough talent to return to the postseason. Last time around they could throw large bonuses to coax high schoolers to join them. They don't have that benefit anymore and the draft alone simply won't be enough.

siberian khatru 07-31-2019 02:19 PM

Royals have three home games against Houston in September.

Mecca 07-31-2019 02:23 PM

Astros fix pitchers so Grienke will now see his career resurgence just like Verlander.

jd1020 07-31-2019 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14372562)
Astros fix pitchers so Grienke will now see his career resurgence just like Verlander.

You realize Greinke has been pitching like a TOR arm for 3 years right?

siberian khatru 07-31-2019 02:24 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Your 2019 leaders in WHIP:<br>1-Justin Verlander 0.81<br>2-Zack Greinke 0.94<br>5-Gerrit Cole 1.00<br><br>That&#39;s your Game 1-2-3 starters in Houston. Scary.</p>&mdash; Jayson Stark (@jaysonst) <a href="https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/1156660774284267520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

dallaschiefsfan 07-31-2019 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14372468)
Y'all really aren't gonna get Ian Kennedy traded?

Well that's surprising. There are teams that would definitely like to get their hands on that guy. He's been awfully good in relief and you see trades like the Josh Fields for Yordan Alvarez debacle every couple of seasons. Paddack was a wild card, Luis Castillo, Fernando Tatis Jr...

All of these guys were just 'meh' prospects when moved that turned into real assets. Surely the Royals know that they're pissing into the wind if they keep Kennedy around.

Not surprised by this at all. They can eat his contract and have him on the team closing games as well. Why eat a large part and let someone else have him closing their games when you can just wait until next year's trade deadline where he'll likely be more marketable w/ a lower contract number.

Plus...think about 2012 when the Royals started making the turn for the next run. Jonathan Broxton pretty much kept Holland from having to take on the closer role and let him settle into the 8th inning role Holland was ready to go when we traded Broxton. We don't really have a guy ready. Next year, I expect one of the new relievers to seize the 8th inning role and get ready to be the next guy. Whether we had Kennedy or not, Moore would have signed a vet closer...because it's what he does. This is how he's always behaved, like it or not. Might as well be Kennedy for another year.

Mecca 07-31-2019 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 14372563)
You realize Greinke has been pitching like a TOR arm for 3 years right?

Oh I know just pitchers go there and get better.

Mecca 07-31-2019 02:26 PM

Astros are probably the favorite to take the championship now.

Mecca 07-31-2019 02:29 PM

Jesus I don't even think the Astros gave up that much...

They didn't give up Tucker or Whitley...Seth Beer probably the biggest name in the deal.

Mama Hip Rockets 07-31-2019 02:29 PM

Well, Houston is gonna win the World Series.

tk13 07-31-2019 02:30 PM

Got the Astros 3, 4, 5 and 22nd ranked prospects. Did not get Kyle Tucker though.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Corbin Martin, J.B. Bukauskas, Seth Beer and Josh Rojas are headed to the Diamondbacks for Zack Greinke, source tells ESPN.</p>&mdash; Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1156661936349749248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mecca 07-31-2019 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 14372576)
Got the Astros 3, 4, 5 and 22nd ranked prospects.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Corbin Martin, J.B. Bukauskas, Seth Beer and Josh Rojas are headed to the Diamondbacks for Zack Greinke, source tells ESPN.</p>&mdash; Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1156661936349749248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Tucker and Whitley not being in that deal though is a huge win for Houston as they are their premier prospects.

KChiefs1 07-31-2019 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 14372576)
Got the Astros 3, 4, 5 and 22nd ranked prospects. Did not get Kyle Tucker though.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Corbin Martin, J.B. Bukauskas, Seth Beer and Josh Rojas are headed to the Diamondbacks for Zack Greinke, source tells ESPN.</p>— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1156661936349749248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Greinke has been traded for a buttload of players.

KChiefs1 07-31-2019 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mama Hip Rockets (Post 14372575)
Well, Houston is gonna win the World Series.


Greinke in the World Series?

WhawhaWhat 07-31-2019 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 14372576)
Got the Astros 3, 4, 5 and 22nd ranked prospects. Did not get Kyle Tucker though.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Corbin Martin, J.B. Bukauskas, Seth Beer and Josh Rojas are headed to the Diamondbacks for Zack Greinke, source tells ESPN.</p>&mdash; Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1156661936349749248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DBacks save $70 mil over the next 2 years as well unless there was money sent over in the deal.

Mecca 07-31-2019 02:43 PM

So doing a bit of digging here....

Seth Beer looks like the best prospect in that deal as odds are he'll be an above average hitting 1st baseman.

However the rest of that deal is very...Martin just had Tommy John surgery, Bukauskas has serious questions on if he can be a starter or not due to his delivery and the other dude is a wildcard, like the Astros 20th ranked prospect.

So I think Beer is a legit prospect then you have 2 fringe top 100 prospects with questions and a flyer, I'm assuming the Astros took back all the money on Grienke's deal to avoid giving up Whitley and Tucker here.

tk13 07-31-2019 02:46 PM

Sounds like the Dbacks are sending $24 million and the Astros are eating the rest.

They basically had the same evaluation on MLB Network. Beer is going to be a solid major league hitter who probably doesn't have a position other than 1B, but there are questions about the other guys.

Mecca 07-31-2019 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 14372603)
Sounds like the Dbacks are sending $24 million and the Astros are eating the rest.

They basically had the same evaluation on MLB Network. Beer is going to be a solid major league hitter who probably doesn't have a position other than 1B, but there are questions about the other guys.

The thing I read said that Beer can hit but he's not athletic at all, it made him fall in the draft apparently.

DJ's left nut 07-31-2019 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14372608)
The thing I read said that Beer can hit but he's not athletic at all, it made him fall in the draft apparently.

He didn't really regress at Clemson, nor did he ever explode like expected. As a Freshman he looked like a surefire #1 overall pick but then he plateaued.

And when he struggled in summer ball wood bat tournaments, teams started to get a little nervous about him as a potential AAAA slugger type with no defensive chops.

I still liked him as a hitter but understood why he was slipping a bit. I was going to be disappointed if the Cards didn't take him until Gorman fell in their laps.

The D-Backs did well here; shed about 2/3 of Greinke's salary and got some guys with potential.

Mecca 07-31-2019 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14372617)
He didn't really regress at Clemson, nor did he ever explode like expected. As a Freshman he looked like a surefire #1 overall pick but then he plateaued.

And when he struggled in summer ball wood bat tournaments, teams started to get a little nervous about him as a potential AAAA slugger type with no defensive chops.

I still liked him as a hitter but understood why he was slipping a bit. I was going to be disappointed if the Cards didn't take him until Gorman fell in their laps.

The D-Backs did well here; shed about 2/3 of Greinke's salary and got some guys with potential.

It's pretty fair I guess considering the types of trades that are done now, just everyone is going to lose it when they realize Houston acquired Greinke and still has their top 3 prospects from the start of the year in Whitley, Tucker and Alvarez who's up now...

Kinda freaky how good Houstons system is considering all the deals and winning.

DJ's left nut 07-31-2019 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14372621)
It's pretty fair I guess considering the types of trades that are done now, just everyone is going to lose it when they realize Houston acquired Greinke and still has their top 3 prospects from the start of the year in Whitley, Tucker and Alvarez who's up now...

Kinda freaky how good Houstons system is considering all the deals and winning.

The Astros can lose a trade. Badly. And never feel it.

They have so much talent on that squad that they aren't likely to have a need for a guy like Bauskas. A guy like Josh James is an afterthought for them and he'd be the next great pitching prospect for most teams in the league.

Its completely insane how good that organization is. And they're aggressive to boot. They're the blueprint right now.

Glad we let the shitty Jeff Luhnow walk...

OKchiefs 07-31-2019 03:06 PM

I'm hoping for Houston to curb stomp NY and LAD if they end up facing either of them. These teams who refuse to give up anything of value need to realize the opportunity they missed by stockpiling minor league talent instead of making trades.

Mecca 07-31-2019 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 14372629)
I'm hoping for Houston to curb stomp NY and LAD if they end up facing either of them. These teams who refuse to give up anything of value need to realize the opportunity they missed by stockpiling minor league talent instead of making trades.

But Houston is in a position to do it that others aren't, they called up their wave of young stars, hit and they still have a shit ton of talent down there that has no spot...

What they're doing would be like if after the Royals called up all their guys the farm system was still top 5 instead of barren.

When you have a young team that is awesome and a top farm system pulling trades isn't gonna hurt you much, you're dealing guys with no spots.

Where would Seth Beer play on the Astros?

duncan_idaho 07-31-2019 03:13 PM

The Royals’ unwillingness to eat money on Ian Kennedy is frustrating.

You look at what the Braves gave up for Shane Greene - lovely product Joey Wentz as the centerpiece - for 1.3 years of Greene, and you have to think the Royals could have landed something similar had they been willing to pay the rest of Kennedy’s 2019 salary and 1/2 of 2020.

The market for Merrifield should be a lot better in the offseason, when more teams are in “buy” mode. Even then, it would still take a real haul.

Mecca 07-31-2019 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14372637)
The Royals’ unwillingness to eat money on Ian Kennedy is frustrating.

You look at what the Braves gave up for Shane Greene - lovely product Joey Wentz as the centerpiece - for 1.3 years of Greene, and you have to think the Royals could have landed something similar had they been willing to pay the rest of Kennedy’s 2019 salary and 1/2 of 2020.

The market for Merrifield should be a lot better in the offseason, when more teams are in “buy” mode. Even then, it would still take a real haul.

The Royals still do a lot of mind numbing things, I don't understand the refusal to eat money.


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