<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Celtics EASIEST championship ever? �� <br><br>- Heat without Jimmy Butler &amp; Rozier<br>- Cavs without Donovan Mitchell &amp; Jarrett Allen<br>- Pacers without Haliburton &amp; they quit<br>- Mavs with PJ Washington &amp; Kleber<br><br> <a href="https://t.co/VWdvrjO5Ww">pic.twitter.com/VWdvrjO5Ww</a></p>&mdash; LakeShowYo (@LakeShowYo) <a href="https://twitter.com/LakeShowYo/status/1802885294649393525?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I...i...was going to mention this but...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So since 2000 Boston area sports teams have made the finals 20 times and have won 13 CHAMPIONSHIPS! <br><br>Speechless…<br><br>Celtics: 2-2<br>Bruins: 1-2<br>Red Sox: 4-0<br>Patriots: 6-3</p>&mdash; NHL Watcher (@NHL_Watcher) <a href="https://twitter.com/NHL_Watcher/status/1802901956866060324?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Disgusting.

If he weren’t a fat sack of crap maybe he’d have more energy

Yeah but there was also butler and Giannis and Donovan Mitchell/jarrett Allen and Halliburton. And then there was Zion. And Embiid and Brunson and doncic playing at 75%. That’s over half of teams with their top scorer playing hurt or out.

I'm not sure why ppl are shitting all over Boston. They ****ing destroyed the NBA all year. They won the East by like 12 games. Best team won. They were the best team this year and by alot.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Say it with us... **** Boston! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WinningTime?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WinningTime</a> <a href="https://t.co/zmCHdt3MI1">pic.twitter.com/zmCHdt3MI1</a></p>&mdash; Winning Time: The Rise of the Lakers Dynasty (@winningtimehbo) <a href="https://twitter.com/winningtimehbo/status/1698513097751998851?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Bucks giving away Holiday for the rotting corpse of Damian Lillard was the key to Boston winning.

Add UConn to this too for the area

In the last 10 years, we have been to 6 finals, and have 4 Championships, so I am kind of over the Boston thing.

Royals 1-1
Chiefs 3-1

I'm good.

It isn’t their fault but you could not have asked for an easier run. It might be one of the easiest runs of all time given the injuries. Every series they played had an opponents top superstar out or injured. That’s pretty crazy.

Congratulations to the Celtics but what the hell happened to the trophy? It seems smaller and has a net on it and put white line on the top of the basketball? It is really ugly

Because most people around the country hate Boston. The team is obviously fantastic, but, unfortunately, they're from Boston.

Boston is the top sports town and the Celtics are the top NBA franchise.

**** Boston.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On this day 8 years ago. <a href="https://t.co/xxzzRwtsKL">pic.twitter.com/xxzzRwtsKL</a></p>&mdash; Barry (@BarryOnHere) <a href="https://twitter.com/BarryOnHere/status/1803405503844036956?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

**** LESNAKE. I HOPE HE LEAVES!

Kyrie carried them

Back to your regularly scheduled propaganda.

The thread was nice for a bit.

The Celtics coach is a real one.

Great guy. Glad he won.

LeBron's free agency in a couple of weeks is leaps and bounds more interesting than those Finals that just occurred.

You think Hong Kong Lebron's daily bathroom visits are more interesting than anything.

This Boston team should be lauded. They don't have any guys who are shitheads. Very intelligent players. Skilled. Just a great team. They are going to win another one at some point likely.

To who?

Definitely. Well run team and organization. Good for them.

Yeah it definitely appears so.

Yeah, as much as I hate the city of Boston the coach and the players (especially the way they play the game) are so damn likable. Put that group in 25 other city's and everyone loves them.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEW REPORT <a href="https://twitter.com/YahooSports?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@YahooSports</a>: <br><br>A closer look at Michael Jordan&#39;s 1988 DPOY award raises questions about its validity. Has LeBron James been chasing a ghost?<a href="https://t.co/Hj3TeIsRk6">https://t.co/Hj3TeIsRk6</a></p>&mdash; Tom Haberstroh (@tomhaberstroh) <a href="https://twitter.com/tomhaberstroh/status/1803798330276733137?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 20, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Finally somebody said it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With the help of <a href="https://twitter.com/LamarMatic?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@LamarMatic</a>, I got my hands on 6 full game tapes from the Bulls&#39; &#39;88 season and charted every turnover/potential steal. <br><br>The box scores said MJ had 28 steals in those 6 games. We counted less than half that. Something wasn&#39;t adding up: <a href="https://t.co/Hj3TeIsRk6">https://t.co/Hj3TeIsRk6</a></p>&mdash; Tom Haberstroh (@tomhaberstroh) <a href="https://twitter.com/tomhaberstroh/status/1803805735978959139?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 20, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A deep dive into Michael Jordan&#39;s record-breaking 1987-88 season reveals numerous statistical and video red flags: <a href="https://t.co/Hj3TeIsRk6">https://t.co/Hj3TeIsRk6</a> <a href="https://t.co/YrMHgyuEtA">pic.twitter.com/YrMHgyuEtA</a></p>&mdash; Tom Haberstroh (@tomhaberstroh) <a href="https://twitter.com/tomhaberstroh/status/1803809051320435145?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 20, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

OK

Eyeball test says it's Jordan in a landslide.

JJ REddick is now Lakers coach, according to ESPN. 4-year deal.

The eyeball test favors LeBron by a ****ing landslide. What are you talking about? The results test says Jordan but LeBron is ridiculous when you watch him play, especially in his prime. His size, his athleticism, his touch, his power, his vision, his shooting even.

Lakers just loves getting former Magic players

LMAO :facepalm:

This just further cements the fact that the eye ball test favors Jordan.

Lebron has always been a freak of nature, but nowhere near as skilled. The eye ball test is about skill, not just raw athleticism, dipshit.

Your Jokic/Luka takes prove you don't even appreciate skill LMAO

At least LeBron’s legacy wasn’t built on fraudulent statistics and Nike propaganda ad campaigns.

LeBron gets what he wanted. I think everyone saw that coming.

I promise you and all the other Bronsexuals are the only bundle of stickss that care much about stats in this argument.

Lol, just no. The 'Eyeball Test' will always favor Jordan. Only ignorant fanboys would argue LeBron's tape over MJ's. It's not even close.

He doesn't even know what the eye test is.

He clearly thinks it's mostly about raw athleticism.

I’ve come to respect lebron as he matured and became a better leader over the course of his career. He is easily in the top 2 of all time and obviously plenty of debate between him and Jordan. Without a doubt lebron is the most talented (which includes god given physical characteristics) to ever play the game, and one of the best basketball IQs ever. And I say “one of”, because there were a lot of brilliant players who had no god given talent.

But it’s still Jordan for me. Peak Jordan is the best I’ve ever seen in any sport, which is an insanely high bar when you got guys like tiger out there. Gretzky maybe, but I never followed hockey enough to give an honest opinion. Where mahomes has that rip your heart out mentality behind charm and a smile, Jordan had it but was unapologetically a killer. I respect lebrons killer instinct but Jordan did it better than anyone in any sport. I think that is a GOAT quality that may never be matched for generations to come.

Either that, or he's never seen Jordan play. Either way, he doesn't know that the eff he's talking about.

I'm not sure LeBron cracks the top-5. And MJ was far more athletically gifted/talented than LeBron ever was. LeBron is one of the best players in history, yes, but he's overrated at this point. I can't put him above Kobe, or Bird, or Wilt. Probably not above Bill Russell either.

Redick was going to be an NBA head coach in the next year or two and the Lakers had an opening now.

It's early. Ideally he learns on the job somewhere else. He's gonna have some issues with rabbit ears early in his career, IMO - ESPECIALLY in LA. And he's gonna need to get that figured out.

I'd prefer he get that figured out in Orlando before the Lakers snipe him.

But this hire has some upside to it. He might be good. He might be Luke Walton. It's just hard to know.

I have no idea. I barely remember the guy when he was a player. He was decent, as I recall. If I had a take, it would be that his lack of experience is going to prevent him from winning a Ring in LA. But who knows? The NBA at this point is much more about the players and their individual talent than it is about team chemistry/scheme/coaching so maybe he'll just ride a good team to the Finals.

An NBA head coach is like defense at 1b.

A great one doesn't get you much. A bad one can ruin everything.

If Reddick is even average, that's going to be enough for the talent to do...well whatever the talent says it should do.

But Ham wasn't average. He actively impeded the team's ability to get the most out of its talent with weird rotations and a nothing system on offense. He was a bad coach.

I think Redick can be better than Ham on day 1. But do I think he'll get a ring in LA? No - because the Lakers aren't as talented as probably 3 or 4 teams out of the West or the Celtics out of the East (the rest of the East is lousy).

LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: The Chicago Bulls are trading two-time All-Defensive guard Alex Caruso to the Oklahoma City Thunder for guard Josh Giddey, sources tell ESPN. <a href="https://t.co/V3t12MA3Uo">pic.twitter.com/V3t12MA3Uo</a></p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) <a href="https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1803897811894964336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 20, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

OKC just got way better. Giddey is trash and Caruso is one of the better defenders in the league.

I think a lot of that is recency bias. I think people forget how flat out unstoppable lebron was in his prime. And a lot of that value came in unglamorous ways like his ability to distribute, rebound and play defense. Really the biggest thing getting in his way from being GOAT is he didn’t have the killer instinct of mj, but nobody will. And if he didn’t insist on playing GM and head coach. As a pure basketball player, gonna disagree with you, he’s easily cemented as #2 at worst.

yeah - Lakers messed up letting Caruso get away. That's a true 3-and-D perimeter player and those have a lot of value.

Surprised Chicago unloaded him for as little as they did.

Wait until you get a chance to watch this Mahomes fella..

He plays basketball too???

Not surprising when you're a Bulls fan.

Should've blown this shit up a long time ago. I knew they were ****ed the day they traded for Vucevic.

I agree; it's 100% recency bias. And tbf, for a long time I just conceded that Lebron was 2nd or 3rd all-time; I didn't really analyze it much.


But go back and watch 20 or 30 games of Larry Bird before he hurt his back, when he won MVP three times in a row, and averaged more minutes/points/eFG% per gm than LeBron. Bird was far more clutch and far better in every meaningful way than LeBron ever was. And he was doing it during the hand-check/there's no flagrant fouls era, so scoring was harder back then.

If you brought prime Bird into the 2010-present, he'd average 35+/gm and probably would have 6 championships by now.

Again, just my opinion, didn't do a hardcore mathematical or NextGen type of analysis obviously, but Prime Bird was one of the very best players to ever grace the hardwood. Just saying.

With the exception of anything basketball related, that might be true.

Like I said, just my opinion. However, when I look at both players, and ask myself one question, "who do I want leading my team in a best-of-7 series?" The answer is obvious and clear: The Bird-man, every day, twice on Sunday, no doubt in my mind. Larry Bird in his prime was everything or close to everything that LeBron ever was, and Bird had the killer instinct, like MJ or Kobe, which Lebron never had. I have to take Bird over LeBron at that point. Ymmv.

I'll take the guy who historically brought a team back from 3-1 in the NBA Finals against a 73 win team myself. Greatest to ever do it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PPG when facing elimination<br><br>▪️LeBron 33.5 PPG (No.1 ALL TIME*)<br>▪️Jordan 31.3 PPG<br>▪️Durant 29.9 PPG<br>▪️Steph 29.2 PPG<br>▪️Kobe 22.3 PPG<br><br>(Shoutout to the reporter who knew that LeBron has ALWAYS been CLUTCH ��) <a href="https://t.co/lrS7mfJmg1">pic.twitter.com/lrS7mfJmg1</a></p>&mdash; LeBron Factory (@LeBronFactory) <a href="https://twitter.com/LeBronFactory/status/1802840425730134092?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 17, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

No "killer instinct" though LMAO

Bird is among the best of all time, no doubt. I just think the bar is set extremely high with mj and lebron.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The information <a href="https://twitter.com/tomhaberstroh?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tomhaberstroh</a> uncovered isn’t shocking if you’ve actually watched the games… but it is incredibly damning &amp; does put a GIANT asterisk next to MJ’s DPOY, there’s simply no getting around that. <a href="https://t.co/HGFfhxbI9O">pic.twitter.com/HGFfhxbI9O</a></p>&mdash; nick wright (@getnickwright) <a href="https://twitter.com/getnickwright/status/1803959496374399222?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 21, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bronsexuals are so ****ing desperate that it's pathetic.

You losers are literally doing backflips like this changes anything, more or less proves anything.

This isn't changing a single person's mind one way or the other. Any MJ stan will tell you if anything that DPOY just made up for the one he should've got in 1987.


https://i.imgur.com/ExwKlRt.jpeg

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Glad to know I&#39;m on the right side of history.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeBronGOAT?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeBronGOAT</a> <a href="https://t.co/RYjLyKOS2K">https://t.co/RYjLyKOS2K</a></p>&mdash; Barry (@BarryOnHere) <a href="https://twitter.com/BarryOnHere/status/1803844410897252358?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 20, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Dude in the article claims that there was a game where MJ had more steals than the Hawks had turnovers.

Go look at the box scores from all of the Bulls/Hawks games that year and tell me which game that was, because I'm not seeing it.

Also, if he's wrong about that, I'm just going to assume he's wrong about a lot of other shit too.

100%. Certainly I’m not just going to take his word for it, especially as he’s obviously a LeBron fan. I’ll have to see an actual audit of every game before I accept anything that dipstick has to say about Jordan.

Let's set aside if it's accurate for a moment.

Who. ****ing. Cares?!?!

Are they THAT insecure with James place in history that they're digging through box scores that are nearly forty years old to build James case???

I mean goddamn this is just sad.

Stats are unfortunately at the whim of the statskeeper's ethics and viewpoint.

You should see the shenanigans at the NCAA level for baseball and softball regarding hits and errors.

Clearly.

Bronsexual Twitter is literally acting like they just disproved MJ's entire career. It is absolutely pathetic.

Whaaaaaaa?

Noooooo.

Sarcasm?

never

How is LeBron not skilled? He actually plays alot like Luka but WITH athleticism.

Better passer? LeBron
Better rebounder? LeBron
Better 3 point shooter? LeBron

I'm not even a LeBron guy. I think they are both 1A and 1B but I don't get the eye test. LeBron blows him away at the eye test. It's the only reason really LeBron is in the conversation really. He makes up in the eye test. Jordan makes up in the results test.

I'm a bit shocked of this take coming from you of all people. LBJ is just power personified and efficient. MJ was "Poetry in motion". He was an artist on the court. Dr. J is the only other guy I've seen close to being able to be called that even though some guys are in their class athletically and have amazing moments here and there. Vince, Morant, Kemp..

You know what would have been even more impressive? Not getting down 3-1in the NBA Finals to begin with. Jordan sadly never had to do that in the NBA Finals because of him and their dominance.

You dipshits still having this stupid ****ing argument?

Let me know when MJ played a team in the Finals even half as good as the 73 win Warriors

The MJ propagandists got weirdly offended at the unsurprising revelation that MJ’s stats 40 years ago were fraudulent (big surprise there) and it predictably escalated from there

I would, but his teams were that. If memory serves me correctly didn’t the Jordan Bulls have a 72 win season?

So your point is that MJ also had the most help in history then? I’d agree. It’s not a coincidence that he never won a thing until Pippen arrived.

He’s one of the most skilled players in the history of the game. The guy is still a top 10 player in the league at age 40 with diminished athleticism. It’s not a mystery as to why that is.

The Suns were 62-20
The Sonics were 64-18
The 96-97 Jazz were 64-18
The 97-98 Jazz were 62-20

Let's not act like the Bulls were just beating scrub teams in the Finals lol...

You can't do this if you're a LeBron fan lol...I mean the guys created and ushered in the "super team" era.

I'm not even a LeBron hater but come on...