Honestly once the score was 31-24 I just don't think it was happening, even if he does go for it and get it.

This.

And this.

I agree, but there are many unreasonable idiots that would’ve bitched about the playcall.

Classic Andy goes 0-4 in december and usually misses the playoffs?

Get off the paint man. Breathing that shit is bad for your health.

He didn't care about winning that game.

Now you're just being a baby.

You aren't wrong. At the end of the season if this month screws us somehow it will be the Ind and hou losses that have me shaking my head, not this one.

As I said in another thread, if he had gotten it, and we scored, he would have kicked an xp to tie instead of 2 to win and we would have lost anyway.

This team will finish 11-5 at worst.

Take that to the bank.

And they would have been as wrong as Reid was tonight. Difference being they aren't NFL coaches.

You're right.

We aren't beating the Patriots.

Or the Bears.

Or the Raiders.

Probably not the Titans or even the Chargers.

That run defense was atrocious.

And gave up nearly 200 yards receiving to a RB.

Aren’t you the same gutless loser who posted that you were too much of a bandwagoning bitch to watch the Chiefs-Denver game because you assumed it would be a loss?

You are really stupid.

Two weeks ago you thought the Broncos were going to boatrace this team.

11-5

I knew with 99% certainty when we punted with 5 minutes and change left in the game, it was over. I personally would have gone for it without hestitation.

With this run defense?

We'll have 5 losses in 2 weeks.

Andy put together a great offensive game plan to work with Moore's limitations. He's just a genius playcaller.

Ight, now you're just being reeruned. Stfu.

You are back to your sky is falling routine because of a competitive loss to an elite team with a scrap heap QB.

Not surprising.

You were wrong two weeks ago about this team and you haven't learned your lesson.

And earlier this week you swore we'd beat the Packers.

Looks like the Broncos game is the outlier here, Clay.

You wouldn't know stupid if it decided to punt the ball to Aaron Rodgers with 5 min left in the game...

No I didn't. Not at all.

I DID say we would not get blown out, when most assumed we would get your asses kicked.

Doesn't happen to Reid.

Keep doubting a HOF coach.

All he does is win.

11-5

I cant say what I would have said had they gone for it because the play call that was made was to punt. I 100% would have agreed with going for it but that doesnt automatically mean that Reid is immune from making some pretty dumb ****ing play calls that dont have a snowballs chance in hell like the screen pass he drew up with no blockers earlier in the game for -2 yards.

HIS PLAYCALLING ISN'T WHAT'S BEING QUESTIONED HERE.

QUIT MOVING THE GOALPOSTS.

HIS SITUATIONAL AWARENESS IS DOGSHIT.

If he wants to be an OC, GREAT. Let him hire an 'ASSISTANT HEAD COACH' to do the things a proper head coach would do.

That has nothing to do with assuming a loss. I picked us to win the game. I just had a bad feeling about this season and I still do.

That’s not because of Andy Reid though. It’s because we can’t get/stay healthy and we’re going to have a tough road in the playoffs because of it.

Not in the playoffs.

All he does is win.

Where have I heard that before?

I expect him to consistently do the things he has always done for the past 20 years.
Except when he doesn't.

Look guys, you can criticize Andy as much as you want.

He will still have this team in the playoffs.

And with Mahomes, and an improved defense, that is enough to get this team over the top. They were almost there last year.

We go into the playoffs healthy, we have as good a chance as anyone, and with Mahomes you can go for it on 4th and 3.

ROFL

Got beat at home by Marcus Mariota and a Titans team with a lame duck coach.

Another question :

Why does Reid ALWAYS lose to the Titans?

He doesn't remember.

Reid didn't lose that game. Forward progress bullshit and Alex Smith did.

Speaking of health I know it's not the thread for this but I don't feel like making one. Any update on LDT?

Ok. I will.
Maybe. But so ****ing what? Our division is a dumpster fire.
When is this improved defense showing up? Last I checked, we were still 30th in rushing D after tonight...

So, may as well give up with no Mahomes?

He has AIDS.

Don't disagree, but :
Pretty certain Andy Reid was the head football coach of the Kansas City Chiefs football team, and that loss went right into the 'L' column of Reid's playoff record.

The Chiefs defense has looked improved this year. That is not up for debate.

It's a work in progress, but the Patriots can't just line up and ram the ball down our throats or throw slants to Edelman all day anymore.

That's not what happened tonight. We got beat by a HOF QB who made two or three insanely awesome plays Brady certainly won't make.

This team is set up to win in the postseason if it can just get healthy.

The funny thing is that KC did to GB EXACTLY what the Pats and Lions and Colts did to KC schematically.

Press up and BLITZ LIKE HELL.

Which was funny cos the narrative from coaches was "We're going to focus on stopping big plays"

Press man and blitzing is literally the opposite of that. XD

This game was there for the taking until McCoy fumbled.

Chasing a Packers team with the lead and Aaron Rodgers with Matt Moore was never going to work out tonight. We had to get the lead, or at least be tied, and maintain that.

It was just a bit too much for the skeleton crew to overcome.

The 3 and out (which is not THAT much different than a turnover in my eyes) and a fumble back to back in the 3rd quarter killed momentum.

After that GB was really able to start wearing down the D.

You're joking, but it's absolutely, 100% true. The Chiefs were a major kickass and relentless franchise until they moved in to that cursed, east side dump we call a stadium.

The same could be said for someone typing out any scenario where the Chiefs let Mahomes just march on out of the organization or even better yet, they let Mahomes chart the course of his career.
Which is to say that there is ZERO chance in hell of either of those two scenarios getting within a country mile of reality. And I'll wager any amount of money that after a couple more "Andy Reid Golden Moments" in the playoffs, Mahomes will be the first guy to pull Clark Hunt aside and let him know exactly what ****ing time it is.



He really doesn't. As others have said before, he is no more than 2 seasons at most from being able to completely run an offense and a clock. Dungver was wise enough to let 5 head run the show and stay out of his way, and the same will be true of Mahomes.

McCoy’s fumble issue ruined our momentum in the Colts and Packers loss.

The defense was just on the field for about 9 mins after being on the field the first half. They were on the field over 70% of the game at that point and McCoy fumbles and puts them right back out there after 1 play in terrible position.

Welp, McCoy is Reid's boy. And Reid says he doesn't have a fumble problem...but that's okay, they'll work on the problem he doesn't have.

Or some such BULLSHIT.

McCoy is not a known fumbler.

He keeps swinging that ball out with one hand, he will be...

LMAO You watched much football the last decade?

Reid actually made the right decision.

To win the game, you have to stop Rodgers AT SOME POINT. Even if you score a TD, you have to then stop Rodgers to win the game.

So Andy basically said,

"We have to stop him at some point, so let's see if they can do it when he's not trying to throw on every play."

And it almost worked.

If the Chiefs had stopped them, gotten the ball back at midfield, scored a TD and 2 point conversion with <30 seconds left, Reid would have looked like a goddamn genius punting.

It's on the players.

Nothing existed before Mahomes, but I don't know what you're getting at...maybe Shady has always done that, but maybe he's old now and is losing his grip.

Regardless, he needs to start covering that ****ing ball with both hands in traffic.

OK this makes no sense. He didn't need another stop. A score plus a 2 pt wins it if he uses the time available. A TD and an xp takes us to overtime where we MIGHT not have to stop him. Throwing the worn out d to the dogs was not in any way a genius move. It was chicken shit.

Really?

The Chiefs were going to use 5 minutes to go 50 yards?

I sincerely doubt it.

The Chiefs were gonna have to get a stop to win the game, mostly likely.

Bank on the D getting that, or just risk everything on one play. If you don't get the first down there, the game is DEFINITELY over.

It was risk-reward.

Yeah I'm getting at that he hasn't just changed his grip on the ball and fumbling hasn't been a problem for him so you're post made no sense.

Well, Andy was ****ing wrong. And so are you.

Hey Clay, you know why Baltimore, Detroit, Indy, and Houston kept going for it on 4th down against us?

Because the best way to beat a superior QB is to keep him off the field.

Period.

Tonight, the superior QB was on the other side, and Red put him on the field and we never saw the ball again.

AND EVERYONE IN THE GROUP CHAT KNEW IT WHEN HE PUNTED. 20 DICKWEEDS ON DISCORD WENT "WE'LL NEVER GET THE BALL BACK."

Maybe not, but it was a possibility. Punting meant no matter what you had to stop Rodgers on his terms. They could run down our throat without care. Had we scored there would at least be some pressure. The punt was just a terrible decision. Defend Andy all you want, but defending the punt weakens your position considerably.

Well, he's fumbled twice this year doing that, so it makes perfect sense if you've watched Chiefs games in 2019.

Ya ****ing dumbass.

If I had attended MIT and earned a PhD in quantum physics and then went to work for the Department of Energy, I could be at this very moment reverse-engineering alien spacecraft and technology somewhere in the state of Nevada!

Green Bay used up the final 5 minutes of the game to go 36 yards.

Not difficult for coaches who understand game/time management.

He's got Homer blinders on.

It's like Alex Smith never happened...

There was no precedent for this in that game.

And they had to throw, in the end.

Most football coaches are not going to risk everything on one play with a turd QB who can't run very well. It's too risky.

I'm not saying it was DEFINITELY the right decision. But it's not as black and white as everyone wants to make it.

They weren't trying to score, though.

Huge difference.

EVERYONE should.

We have a HOF-talent level at QB and a coach who's only real wart has been not having a HOF-talent level QB to cover his "weaknesses."

The sky is the ****ing limit.

We will be in the dance every year with a LEGITIMATE chance to win it all with these two.

Rabblerouser: Nothing Reid does matters because of his history!

Also Rabblerouser: McCoy is a fumbler and his history is irrelevant!

which Andy Reid seemingly does not.

ROFL

One would think, the way people are talking about the decision, that a first down automatically equals a walk-off TD or something.

1. Reid is consistently living up to his history.

2. Shady isn't the same player he was, and has now fumbled twice in 4 games by swinging the ball out in traffic with one hand.

He wasn't carelessly swinging the ball around on EITHER fumble.

That's something you see him do when he's in the open field and making a move so you're ASSUMING it's the reason he fumbled. It wasn't.

I actually think, if Mahomes is there, he DEFINITELY GOES.

Because Mahomes can pick up that first down with his legs.

Matt Moore CAN'T, most likely, and it makes it a huge risk if the coverage is right.

The game would be OVER, right then, right there, because GB is getting at least 3 points with that field position.

It's too risky.

This was situational football, and the situation was - Matt Moore is too limited for me to risk this game on one snap.

So he punted and hoped his defense could get a stop, a stop which he likely was going to need anyway to win the game.

It's not perfect, but it has a certain logic to it.

not even correct

So it's MY fault you aren't familiar with one of the most prolific running backs of the last decade. Nice adopt-a-chief, by the way.

Holy shit.

I get it - you've got NBPD. It's either all black or all white.

The same extreme hatred you had for Alex Smith and blinded any objectivity during that time has been reversed and Mahomes has erased any rational objectivity you may have once had for the rest of the team.

Let me tell you something, Clay:

This team ain't going to the Super Bowl.

We got beat at home by the Colts AND Texans. WITH MAHOMES.

That run defense is God-Awful. Our Oline is getting PMII killed.

The coaching staff has no discipline. The entire team outside of QB and WR/TE is soft and weak.

This is the truth.

He's been swinging that ball out when in the open field for his whole career. NOT in traffic.

People will say whatever fits the narrative they want to be true.

I've watched him plenty, in Philly and Buffalo.

It's your fault you haven't noticed he's fumbling approx every 30 touches or so since he got here.

It's like you don't pay attention to NFL history at all.

Teams don't just waltz through the regular season every year like this team did a year ago.

Sometimes it's ****ing hard.

Guess what. It's ****ing hard this year, and we're still in first place.

With Reid + Mahomes, we got a chance in the dance.

And stop talking about run defense, it hasn't been an Achilles heel for two games in a row.

Bring up the replay of tonight's fumble, Jack.

so...did you watch the 2nd half tonight, and if so...how drunk/stoned were you to not notice them running at will?

We gave up like 120 yards with a 6/ypc avg.

Jones had over 200 total yards rushing and receiving.

We got ****ing TORCHED.

And let's add to that Reid will always be Reid. Nothing about that is going to change.
If anyone's actually waiting for the light bulb to come on, they would be better served carrying a flashlight and finding their own way around. Or maybe a torch which you could also use to ignite and destroy Andy's coaching contract with KC. And once that's done, you'll probably have enough flame left to set fire to the cursed structures and grounds at One Arrowhead Drive.

I used to preach that Mahomes could overcome Andy's shortcomings, but I realize now that for as talented as Patrick is, he can't singlehandedly steer Reid's SS Titanic away from the oncoming iceberg AND overcome the Refs as well.

Just not happening.

Great post to end on

Love you, boo.

You too Boo Bear.

G'night.

Andy's pressers are another reason, in a sea of reasons, to fire his fat ass. Like BB's pressers they are useless and uninformative, but BB's are because he's actually winning, making good decisions, and doesn't' want that to change. Andy's the same way - being illusive and side-stepping truths and anger - but because he's having to cover-up for another predictable ****-up that's a ****-up because pretty-much all the "head coach's" time went into one aspect of the overall game.

Andy needs to be an OC, never anything bigger than that. He's proven himself to be pretty-much ignorant in the many other aspects of the game beyond offensive play design. To the detriment of the team.

But the fans will still show up at Arrowhead, just like I will for the Raiders game, and that makes us all guilty of supporting Andy's system of losing.

He should not be fired. This team would be lost without Andy.

You have all gone off the deep end.