My thoughts as well

The episodes keep getting better. I was wondering when Jimmy would figure out his brother was a rat. Now they are both screwed. At least Jimmy is creative enough to turn into Saul later. Chuck will end up in a rubber room.

And the scene with Mike was classic.

following ABA guidelines and all that other b.s aside.. Chuck could have at least have been the bigger brother and let him on for this case.. pushing him to be an honest attorney.. but Chuck let his selfish ego get in the way

Although I'm just quoting this post, I'm going to respond to both in kind.

None of us would have faulted Chuck had he just been honest with Jimmy. He could have told him that he didn't think Jimmy should get a job at HHM right away, that he should build a name on his own first to set aside issues of nepotism, but he didn't do that. Instead, he sent his partner down to act like a hatchet man on Jimmy's aspiration.

He could have told Jimmy that he doesn't believe that he's earned the spot yet, and he could have supported Howard's statement at the HHM meeting (instead of acting shocked at such a choice).

His cowardice and deceitfulness in handling the situation with his brother (who has also been his sole caretaker and only real advocate) is beyond the pale.

Moreover, Chuck's rationale may hold up to the viewer, but Chuck and HHM both lack the omniscience that the viewer of the show has. We know things they don't.

What does HHM know about Jimmy's prosecution of the case? They know the info he has collected and the case he's built. What do they know about the Kettleman case? That after the Kettlemans fired HHM and went to Jimmy because they didn't like the deal he got them to return and accept the deal that was previously unpalatable.

What does Chuck know? He knows that Jimmy has been busting his ass as a PD and doing good work. The shadiest thing Chuck even has a clue of is the billboard stunt.

We know about Mike's hijinks and Jimmy accepting the bribe, but neither HHM nor Chuck do, and that's integral to an evaluation of their rationale because we know they aren't making decisions with the information we have.

Very nice opining on the perspective of audience knowledge vs character knowledge that often gets overlooked

But Chuck may also have a fair amount of insight into 'Slippin' Jimmy' that the audience also doesn't have. It could very easily be that past knowledge along with the present knowledge of Jimmy's backslide with the billboard that makes him wary of pretty much everything surrounding Jimmy. If you're friends with a reformed alcoholic and you walk into his house while he's drinking a Budweiser, are you going to assume that's the only drink he's had that day? Week? Month? Of course not - you're going to assume he's fallen off the wagon outright. Chuck assumed the same of Jimmy and Chuck was absolutely right.

I'm sure we've all heard it from a parent at some point whenever we get scolded for something we didn't do - "well consider it a scolding for something I didn't catch ya doing..." Well that's kinda what we're looking at here with Chuck. It's pretty hard to say "well Chuck didn't know about all that shady shit" when Chuck got it right and likely got it right due to decades of past experience with Jimmy.

Like I said - I absolutely agree that Chuck's deceit was what made this objectionable, but it was also exceedingly human and what makes him a well written character. If you have a willing hatchetman and you're dealing with a family member, virtually all of us would try to use a proxy to save us from the brunt of turning away family. Why wouldn't you? I don't even have a huge problem with that.

The only place I see Chuck truly failing as a human being was in how caustically he explained all of it to Jimmy.

There'd be no story or no drama if Chuck hadn't betrayed Saul. I couldn't believe he did it though. Last thing I expected. Though I expected Saul to get screwed somehow.The financial offer was still good though. Saul should have: 1) Just taken the pay-out offer and not pushed his brother to quit 2) Or take it to another law firm. Not doing either shows why he winds up as he does later. (in BB) If Saul were more rational there'd be no drama story either. Same for his brother using the cell phone instead of calling his boss over to his home to discuss the case.

RE: the bolded part... I think he did that because he wanted his brother to admit what he did. He knew Chuck was calling the shots from behind Hamlin.

Chuck's bullshit hubris is awful. He literally thinks he's better than Jimmy. Jimmy, who has basically waited on him hand and foot during his illness. Jimmy who worked a shit clerking job while also getting a law degree and passing the bar.

Chuck thinks he's better than Jimmy, just as lots of high society rich people think they're better than those "below" them and think that there's something inherent in them that is superior to other people that justifies their success. Obviously, Jimmy's past is shady and he does some morally questionable things in his attempt to hustle, but Chuck's self-righteous monolog on the sanctity of the law and how Jimmy doesn't appreciate it was just self-righteous BS.

Well, yeah, that's true. At first, I didn't see it that way, until he mentioned what he found on the phone. That was my first reaction though.

Including what university Jimmy attended. I mean if you pass the Bar you passed it, right? I know there's better schools and some that have more prestige but even Abe Lincoln was self-taught and become a president.

Some just lack the means and do whatever they can.

Chuck is a better lawyer. Jimmy's a better person.

Jimmy doesn't appreciate it.

Put yourself in Chuck's seat - he's made himself a millionaire and the big swinging dick at a massive firm he built from the ground up using 'conventional' methods. He's surrounded everyday by other top-shelf attorneys who are going to have exceptional pedigrees. Of course se sees the world with a slant that favors the blue-blooded, top school, top tier bias - we all see it from where we sit and his chair is pretty much resting atop a mountain of money that this worldview made for him.

Jimmy does take shortcuts. He does use methods that are definitely impermissible and likely flat out illegal. For someone that created a monster from the ground up and has been insulated at the top of that monster for years, that's absolutely going to rub him raw.

I don't think there's a ton of evidence of that. Jimmy had a teenager step in front of a car for a payday. It wasn't until Jimmy was on the hook defending a client that was about to get blown out of the water that he made the morally correct decision to return his bribe (but only after he hired someone to break into their home). Even then, had he not known that he was going down as part of a conspiracy by accepting the bribe, he wouldn't have given that money back.

It's the sainthood of Jimmy that I don't quite understand here. This is a guy who, in BB, not so subtly encourages Walt to commit more than one murder.

Chuck might be a bad brother; I'll grant you. So far, that's the only bit of insight we have to his underlying character. Moreover, even as a bad brother, he helped Jimmy to the point that he was able to build that case into anything at all and then worked with Hamlin to get him a damn sweet deal.

I know he's supposed to be the black hat here and Jimmy's supposed to be the flawed anti-hero, but I don't see any reason to hold up Jimmy as virtuous here while blasting Chuck.

Prior to Chuck giving it to him without lube the first time, he didn't do anything impermissible, he just went to an online school, of which he obviously busted his butt to learn the law and learned enough to pass the bar. After Chuck ****ed him in the asshole, then he had went back to do desperate/dumb things. It wouldn't have been inappropriate for Jimmy to be come an associate at the firm, as long as he wasn't reporting to Chuck.

What Jimmy should have done was to go get a job at a different firm, rather than try to set out on his own. I don't think they addressed that in the show, but it would have been a lot easier road for him if he would have got on at a different firm.