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Bowser 05-12-2019 09:57 PM

This all started because Lyanna Stark didn't love Robert Baratheon, and now it's going to end because Jon Snow doesn't love Danerys Targaryen. There's your symmetry, I guess.



And once Varys got spit roasted, you just kind of could feel she was turning into Mad Dany, trying to keep "The Secret" under wraps.

dirk digler 05-12-2019 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14265258)
Can Arya just kill them both? At least then she won't end the story running away like a little bitch.


works for me. Though I think the real ending involves Arya getting her revenge for seeing the woman and child burned to death along with thousands of others.

GloucesterChief 05-12-2019 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyonsd (Post 14265287)
Why did Jon have to kill a northman when he was about to rape a girl? Crazy had won the moment for some non-apparent reason.

Indeed. Why would the soldiers even stay in the city when Dany was burning anybody on the streets alive? Most probably would of retreated away from the crazy woman and her dragon.

BucEyedPea 05-12-2019 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pogue (Post 14265285)
I knew Kings Landing was going to be torched once Messendrei said Dacary!

Good point. It made me wonder if she would go that route. Then you had Tryion begging her not to do that as well creating that possibility as well. He was reading her astutely, it turns out.

Chiefspants 05-12-2019 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 14265282)
No, that did not happen and any competent commander would not want it to happen. Sack? Sure even then it would be based on how long a city held out. Long enough to satisfy honor? Not much if at all would happen.

See when you destroy a city that surrendered you make sure that no other city will ever surrender to you because it will not save their lives. They will fight to the death because you have proven they have no other option?

The Rape of Nanking and other sacked cities in World War II fell in similar fashions.

Your logic is dead-on, but sacks like this have definitely happened when the rule of law falls completely.

(I too think the last two seasons wrapped up in warp speed, but that sequence had a realness to it for me).

kcpasco 05-12-2019 09:58 PM

I like the parallel to Theon. Jon is gonna have to decide if he’s a Stark or a Targ. My feeling is he’s going with the family that raised him rather than the family he was born into.

mlyonsd 05-12-2019 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pogue (Post 14265285)
I knew Kings Landing was going to be torched once Messendrei said Dacary! before her head getting lopped off and Cersei sealed her fate then. Cersei being reduced to tears in the red keep wanting to keep her baby alive and was the proper way to send her out. Terrific acting too.

Which is fine until Cersei lops Messenrei's head off and Tyrion is standing right below her with 500 archers looking at him. Why she didn't kill Tyrion there was silly knowing how bad she hated him and who she was thinking she had the upper hand.

GloucesterChief 05-12-2019 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 14265294)
The Rape of Nanking and other sacked cities in World War II fell in similar fashions.

Your logic is dead-on, but sacks like this have definitely happened when the rule of law falls completely.

Massacres are notable because they are uncommon. If they were common they wouldn't be notable.

notorious 05-12-2019 10:00 PM

Arya's white horse symbolizes several things.

Death, passing to the afterlife, Armageddon.

At first I thought Arya died, but they showed her in next week's preview.

Hammock Parties 05-12-2019 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyonsd (Post 14265296)
Which is fine until Cersei lops Messenrei's head off and Tyrion is standing right below her with 500 archers looking at him. Why she didn't kill Tyrion there was silly knowing how bad she hated him and who she was thinking she had the upper hand.

Because, you dumbass, we spent the entire series setting up Cersei as a horrible **** but *GASP* it turns out she's actually quite sympathetic compared to the character who was her polar opposite. UNTIL NOW!

IT MAKES COMPLETE SENSE!!!!

Chiefspants 05-12-2019 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 14265299)
Arya's white horse symbolizes several things.

Death, passing to the afterlife, Armageddon.

At first I thought Arya died, but they showed her in next week's preview.

That was definitely of biblical influence. Rev 6:8 - “And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.”

chiefzilla1501 05-12-2019 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 14265284)
Well, I have felt this season was rushed. I agree with that criticism. I think it could have been done in two seasons not five though. I think 10 episodes for this season would help—especially after waiting two years and since it has been a slow moving show. I don't see why a two year wait was ever needed either.

I've always felt Breaking Bad was a pretty stellar pace. They got to the end superbly. Not too quick, not too long. For sure more episodes would have cleaned up a ton of storylines better and GoT got to the end probably just a tad sooner than they should have. But there's also a point where perfectionism leads to a frustratingly long march to an ending especially a show as crazy complicated as this. Not to mention the show's gotta be draining for all the producers, actors, etc... a few more seasons could have sucked the energy completely out of the show. Much as I'd love to see a lot of these things played out with good writing and plot development, I also totally get why the show needs to end and the compromises the show had to make to get to that end cleanly. So rather than get worked up about it, I'm glad I've chosen to just be entertained as hell. And I'm thankful we're going to cleanly get to an ending.

Hammock Parties 05-12-2019 10:03 PM

Well, I have to say....they actually set this up to make it look like Westeros is just ****ed now.

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I'm sure Arya will beam in or something.

Pogue 05-12-2019 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14265283)
Agreed. She didn't go from 0 to 100. She was at about 60 when the episode started. It was super rushed but not illogical.

She lost Jon in the scene where she was coming on to Jon strong. That was the last straw.

Her inner circle has pretty much been blown up, Varys betrayed, her Hand hasn’t been successful with battle plans at all, Missendrei gets executed, Lord Friendzone dies in her hands in the Great War, losing her dragon again etc.

It’s been building up, and not sure what else you write in.

Chiefspants 05-12-2019 10:04 PM

The ending we deserved had Cersei, Bronn and Qyburn eating it in Season 7 (exactly like this).

It would have been much harder to write, but Dany and Jon should have been the main conflict the entire season if they were going this way. The Starks should have known who Dany was the entire season, used her to kill off the White Walkers, but given the Starks a just reason to be plotting against her the whole time.


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