Royals are not gone until 2026 (if they get the stadium vote) to go their way. Chiefs have always said they dont want to alter Arrowhead and take away some of its uniqueness. That stadium was built in 1972 so renovations will be difficult and expensive, but I would bet the contracts will not be issued until after the vote, its a lot of money that will be funneled into the local economy via construction jobs so that hanging on the vote is a "incentive" to vote

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imagine the Chiefs if Clark Hunt spent cash. <a href="https://t.co/SYplfakrEw">https://t.co/SYplfakrEw</a></p>&mdash; Conner Christopherson (@Conner_DKC) <a href="https://twitter.com/Conner_DKC/status/1762917583185903764?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 28, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Also seeing this and the constraints Clark Hunt being a cheapo does compared to the rest of the league...Brett Veach deserves more credit. <a href="https://t.co/ldcysAihWF">https://t.co/ldcysAihWF</a></p>&mdash; Conner Christopherson (@Conner_DKC) <a href="https://twitter.com/Conner_DKC/status/1762918093523673442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 28, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Pretty sure Clark is about to pay Veach a lot of money.

Also sounds like Clark is planning to fix the practice facility. It was talked about before per the players and he confirmed today that it will be a priority

So does winning... If Tyreek was given truth serum he would have never left... despite the shiny marbles in Miami...

Anyone have any guesses (or better yet, hard numbers) on how much more a franchise can expect to earn relative to postseason success?

I’m assuming the home playoff team earns the lion’s share of ticket sales? Do they receive a greater portion from TV deals as well? And what percentage goes to the visiting team? What about Super Bowls? I’m assuming teams can expect a surge in merch but I’d assume there would be some sort of cash infusion..?

I highly doubt anyone is leaving this team to due to a locker room.

D+ in treatment of families is interesting.

Winning helps, sure, but like money, it isn’t the end-all.

You can think the players are entitled or whatever, but it should be pretty easy not to get an F in any of these categories. Especially when you’ve got some seriously dysfunctional franchises out there.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo...-team-facility

This is from last year and I believe they updated their policy, but the Cardinals used to charge players for meals eaten at team facilities. They were the only team in the league to do so.

Clark got rated lower than this douche owner.. and Tepper..

That sort of thing is embarrassing and not a good look.

It's a lot, like the Chiefs players got 164k a piece for the SB...owners really cash in during the postseason because the ticket sales are almost all straight profit.

New England got an F- in families apparently they can't even say hi or have a nice day or something.

I think that is due to daycare. A lot of teams get dinged for not having free daycare.

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/nf...playoffs-bm07/

According to this website, SB winners earned an additional $157,000 multiply that by 53 or whatever, plus practice squad guys probably get a smaller cut. You have to factor in the cost of Super Bowl rings as well.

If that much money is going out, you have to assume what comes in is insane.

Wasn't this the same last year. I thought then that maybe it was a little more important than people suggested. Honestly don't think it's great and I think Hunt should try and rectify it.

If the team acted coddled or entitled it'd be one thing, but every one played their a$$es off. Would be good if Hunt could pay up for some decent facilities. Two years just looks like he's a tight arse.

It reads as cheap and complacent to be honest. I don't think it really fits the culture of excellence you obviously see with coaches, players and Veach.

I don’t think it’s just practice facilities & locker rooms. The Chiefs are consistently in the Bottom 10 of the league for cash spending on the player contracts/salaries.

The facilities thing is a real issue but the cash spent thing is way overrated. People think money equals success and then you end up with MVS or $20 million guys playing RT and people complain about that. Veach built the youngest defense in the league and they just won us a Super Bowl. I didn't see the final numbers but I believe the Chiefs were still one of the 10 youngest teams in the league overall. Veach has leaned into bringing in guys in their 20s and not giving huge contracts to WRs/CBs and it paid off with 2 straight Super Bowls and being in much much better position than most of the other AFC contenders going forward.

Apparently winning a SB ads about 30 million dollars of equity to a franchise...so going back to back probably ads about 75.

Some confirmation of player entitlement. How the hell did Rams players give this practice facility locker room a D+? It's fantastic and brand new

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And cash spending is oftentimes a salve for poor cap management; it's something a team gets forced into (i.e. bonusing out salary, etc...) when their cap is in bad shape.

The Chiefs have had a clean cap and spent UP to the cap every year. So they haven't had to use the cash spending mechanisms to bail themselves out of nasty cap situations.

In many ways high cash spending isn't a sign of a good owner - it's a sign of a bad cap manager.

And yet they have the highest paid player in the league, one of the highest paid guards in the league, and one of the highest paid RT in the league. The Chiefs continue to build their team through the draft which is always going to look positive on the ledger next to a team that is out spending big on free agents to mask their inability to draft well.

KC's spending leads to sustainable winning and championships. Dallas' spending, for example, leads to disappointed fans and a franchise living in the past.

You're...referring to the Chiefs players...as "pussies?" Even if our guys were out there mailing it in, you still wouldn't have a salient point. The fact that they bodies on the line and WIN?

Perhaps rethink your clear reerunation a bit.

Get some more Gayha money and shut up

That makes Clark look like a piece of shit.

Edit: beaten



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is how much each team spent from 2019 to 2023 on the team vs playoff success (1 pt for WC loss, 4 div loss, 8 cc loss, 13 SB loss, 20 for SB win). KC basically breaks the league. 2nd post will have the graph without KC. <a href="https://t.co/CuVVZGpljK">pic.twitter.com/CuVVZGpljK</a></p>&mdash; Jason_OTC (@Jason_OTC) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jason_OTC/status/1762916496987029710?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 28, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Interesting. If you take the Chiefs out so the scaling comes back together and the graph actually works, there does appear to be a fairly linear positive correlation.

Wouldn't have guessed that. Always felt like to me that a lot of those high cash spending teams were squads like NOLA that had to fix their shit (and yes, there is NOLA and Cleveland with high spending and low performance due to catastrophically bad cap management).

Seems like it really shows the last 2 years to be outliers in terms of the Chiefs were winning with cheap rookies.

I'd expect the Chiefs to really start to spend more as it's pretty much the teams trying to win in that upper right, but drafting like the Chiefs have has been the big key.

It also looks like teams that created 2 and 3 year windows for themselves in that top/right quadrant.

But in that regard this doesn't tell us anything we don't already know.

This feels odd considering the chiefs paid a lot of cash for Kelce, Mahomes, Thuney, Taylor and Jones

Yes. 100%. Just manage it. Manage the survey like most successful companies do. It’s not brain surgery.

It's a somewhat misleading chart when you look at the x-axis scale. The salary cap makes it pretty tough to really spend much less than the average in the long run.

Dammit, the Clarks need to fix their shit!

Sounds like other teams need to get cheaper

Clark’s two bedroom penthouse suite at Arrowhead > Chiefs current practice facility.

By the way an F minus is just gilding the lily here, fellas.

We do engagement surveys from the corporation I work for. We only get about 25% participation because it's not manadatory. From what I've seen it's normally the fringes that participate in these surveys. The loudest minority of angry or happy people make the most impact in terms of having their voices heard. I wonder what the level of participation is for this survey.

Toney was definitely one of the players that filled out the survey.

Doubtful since that would require a basic level of reading comprehension.

He dropped the pen before he could fill out....the....form.

Sigh.

Our players over here training like Clubber Lang winning Championships while everyone else is using strengthening bands and Nautlilus equipment.

If you don't have the Rocky 4 training montage song in your head right now, what are you even doing with your life?

The NFLPA page about the survey says they got 1,706 responses. If you assume 53 active roster players plus 16 practice squad players across 32 teams, that's 2,208 active members at a given time, which suggests a response rate of around 75%.

I'm unclear whether inactive free agents could participate or not, but it generally seems like they got very high participation.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That stuff is easy to compare to newer builds and feel like you don&#39;t have the best accommodations. But those things are not really important in our day to day life and surely don&#39;t lead to on field success. It&#39;s basically the college recruiting arms race come to the NFL.</p>&mdash; Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) <a href="https://twitter.com/MitchSchwartz71/status/1762969536855245137?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 28, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Great post, wrong Rocky.

I think the take away is that a lot of things players may value aren’t integral to team success.

Well this definitely explains the drops and penalties. Having to sit in the locker room surely is the reason.

I'm more apt to believe that Rocky 4, with the Russian having all the tech and roids, and Rocky chopping wood is a better comparison.

As far as Clubber goes: **** Clubber.

This is pretty embarrassing for Clark honestly.

I get that it hasn’t affected us on the field, but damn man, reward the players for their success and all the money they’ve made you.

When Toney handed in his form the NFLPA rep checked it over, scribbled an F and handed it back to him.

I bet if they added a dunkin donuts to the locker room, that would bring it up to a D at least

I knew someone deep in the Chiefs Org from Clark through Pioli. They said when Pioli got there there was all kinds of "good ol' boy" internal perks and repurposing of resources. Like the on-staff carpenters would go build someone a new kitchen on the team's dime.

Pioli wanted to get rid of all that but it was kind of a "how we do it" thing and caused a lot of conflict (candy wrappers etc). Not sure if that's the way it still is, (and this was one person's account) but if I was a player and locker rooms were smelly and didn't have nice chairs and no good sound system or what we players need to prepare for and unwind after a game, I would be pretty mad seeing another Gracie hunt bikini photo on vacation in Belize or Australia or any other of the 25 places she goes during the winter.


Also, off topic LOLOLOL that Brittney Mahomes got into Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue before Gracie did lolol plastic dime a dozen.

dis not good

I would guess the NFL has standards for training facilities locker rooms practice facilities treatment travel training table accommodations etc. I would guess teams must meet those expectations. If you want extras nothing says you can't start a GoFundMe!

So, fewer than 30% of players respond to this survey and it's gospel. Gotcha.

It's not a good look at all, but I'm sure Clark gives zero ****s about how anybody other than Clark thinks he should spend his money.

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I can see why after this terrible Stadium renovation proposal

Would love to see pics from the Chiefs 70s-80s practice facility locker rooms. I bet they're hilarious. Man Redwood City was a joke.

I agree. Players are getting paid so much money they don't care about improving their craft and getting better at their job, it's happening in all the major sports.

Love all things Fat Brooke writes about.

F-:seems nuts. To get that on ownership players must have talked about it and felt very strong, because even if just a few gave it a C the average couldn't stay that low. Rarely see that on any survey because some people are positive enough to never rate that low

Good point, looks like the Chiefs are only about 8 percent below the average, and that can be a function of contract structure and where players are in the cycle.

How big of a chode do you have to be to get an F- from the players? It has to be more than just not making a new locker room.

Where did you get 30%? Dafaces link says ~75

The chiefs have won 3 Superbowls in 5 years. Somehow I don't think your post applies to them.

Maybe reward them a little bit. This is essentially the workplace pizza party meme except they just replaced stools with chairs.

LMAO

NFLPA is full of karens with dreads

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That’s not true. Plus culture and amenities are VASTLY different concepts. If the money is even then it comes down to personal preference between: recent success, coaching staff, city, friends on the team. At no point does the quality of the locker room decide where a FA goes. <a href="https://t.co/fOQB854SoO">https://t.co/fOQB854SoO</a></p>&mdash; Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) <a href="https://twitter.com/MitchSchwartz71/status/1763017714937856470?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 29, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The rookies do.

More and more players checking out once they get that fat payday.

Unless I was an elite NFL player, I'm not going to lie I would do that too. If I was a Mahomes or Kelce it would be a different story, you would have something to strive to. But if you are Ben ****ing Nieman...what is the point? Your only goal is to stay in the league as long as possible if you are him.

Such a BS survey. If an owner makes decisions on the coach/GM/staff that allow your "team" to compete for the Lombardi and the personal glory that it brings for 5 consecutive years, how does that rate a "F-"? I guess you want him to be a drinking buddy and that makes him a better owner?

Honestly, I think they're misrepresenting this a little. They present it as the players just giving a grade and showing the average, but there's zero chance that our players universally think Clark is the worst owner in sports. We would have heard more of that by now.

Instead, the NFLPA asked players a variety of questions in each category and gave teams a grade based on some preconceived notions of what's important.

So, for example, they might have asked whether a player had ever felt pressured to play through an injury and dinged the training staff if the player said yes. That doesn't mean they necessarily would have given the training staff an F.


The nuance is small but important. I'd love to see their actual survey questions.

It also sounds like they asked them to give ratings in a 0 to 100 scale. On that type of scale, the tendency is to think of 50 as average, not an F.

It seems like the survey helps to identify the teams that are generally better or worse, but framing it as a letter grade almost certainly makes it all seem worse than it actually is.

Reports are saying the low locker room grades are for the training facility not the one at Arrowhead.

Ah that makes a lot more sense. I noticed the Chiefs rank about average on family, but the grade is only a D+. The F- is probably around a 50, which isn't that big of a deal. No way the whole team is giving Hunt a F-. This is really bad misrepresentation.

I don't remember the time line. Didn't Hunt talk about upgrades before the Royals started this entire stadium saga?

Maybe he put upgrades on hold because he was anticipating putting a new practice facility where the K stands now.

Agreed. Was in the film industry for 16 years. Worked on films with a budget as low as $2-5 million, to stuff with nine digits, and whenever we shot on location, I was never once asked to share a room, even when I was starting out and was just a "lowly p.a.".

If this is what we have to complain about after back to back Trophies I guess we can probably be ok.

I live less than 5 minutes from the Cowboys state of the art facilities in Frisco. They are without a doubt top of the line and Jerry spared no expense but at the end of the day they still overspend on FA and don’t draft quite well enough to be above mid. You play to win championships not meaningless award winning facilities.

....don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Lamar built that.

Please stop.

I say, job well done, KC Chiefs Organization! 3 SB’s in 5 years > Some half assed NFLPA poll. How could you argue otherwise?

This...

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

Rep!

Survey: "On a scale of 0 to 100, how would you rate your owner?"

Player: "Oh, he's not great, but he's not awful. I'll give him a 50."

NFLPA: "Clark Hunt gets an F-."


That's how I'm interpreting it anyway. I wish they'd show their detailed questions and methodology.