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There’s a play where he’s running towards the endzone and some little corner pulls up and he just puts his hand on him and pushes him away like a child while continuing to score a Touchdown. I normally do look for the speed, route running combo but Mitchell and Coleman have my full attention. |
Those guys are also gonna occupy a similar place on the field as what Rice does. I don't foresee them going that route.
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We still need WRs that win on the boundary. |
The Chiefs move WR's around, they dont' have "outside" "slot" guys. They just don't value those types that you all are talking about or atleast haven't in the past.
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That’s not how Rice was used last year. If you are looking at redundancy it would be spending a high pick on a slot WR. |
I liked Xavier worthy a lot and wasn’t excited about adonai Mitchell until the college playoffs and Texas kept calling plays at the end of the game for Mitchell and worthy barely got the ball. And Mitchell expected the ball was upset when he didn’t get it. Mitchell is a gamer, high floor prospect. Great hands and great in the red zone. I’d be happy if the chiefs picked him, but this draft is so deep at wr. I’d probably try and trade up in the 3rd and get two WRs.
I like Brenden rice, Jerry’s son. He’s 6’2” and 212 lbs and a 4.38 40. He was clocked at 23 mph on the gps and is long strider deep threat like his dad. Drop rate of 4.3%. When I see a WR that lifts weights like what put him on Feldmans freak list, it just shows me that he’s a hard worker and really that’s what we need. We need emotionally consistent players that will work hard and be able to handle the moment. Guys like Toney have the talent but not the maturity and that worries me with guys like Xavier worthy or Legette, especially if you’re picking them early. Made Bruce Feldman's Freaks List at #53. He said, "...the biggest Freak of the bunch is the one with the heftiest football bloodlines, Brenden Rice, son of the greatest receiver ever, Jerry Rice. The younger Rice, who had 39 catches for 611 yards (15.7-yard average) and four touchdowns in 2022, is 6-3, 215 pounds and hit 23 MPH on the GPS and had an impressive 1.43 10-yard split. This offseason, Rice also vertical-jumped 38 inches, did 17 reps of 225 on the bench and squatted 525 for three reps." https://x.com/DWTB_/status/1754207977718853893?s=20 And there’s a few others I like in the third also. I like Jalen McMillan. If he falls late in the third, I like Burton. Pick the fatties in rounds 1 & 2 and get me two WRs in the third, please. |
Rice was inside and out. He wasn't a "slot" guy.
Same as Tyreek was here, same as Andy has always used his WR's. |
I'm pro having a real guy outside that can win, but it just doesn't seem something the Chiefs have valued
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Still didn’t make him an outside WR. Anyways, enough how many angels can dance on a pin with you. Watch where Rice caught the ball last year. |
I guess argue semantics if you want.
Still won't likely end with the Chiefs drafting a guy they never target in these things, but carry on. |
Who compares most similarly to Zay Flowers?
Apparently that's who we fell in love with last year but couldn't maneuver up to get. |
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Up until 2023 draft you could say the Chiefs never targeted good WR's. You can keep looking for the next Skyy Moore. I will target guys that look like real NFL players. |
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There's just so much size in this draft. Flowers is barely scraping 5'10'', IIRC. And maybe 180 lbs. He's also not a burner - more quick than fast. How about Roman Wilson? That seems to be a pretty fair comp. Roman Wilson looks like a lesser version of Flowers to me in a lot of ways. Maybe a solid pick in the 2nd. |
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My answer is usually "you should be - he won't be there. Just take Jalen McMillan and call it a day..." But Burton seems to have that dreaded 'Character Concerns' tag floating about him and that might push him down into that late 2nd. I don't think I'd be looking to trade up for him, but I'd be intrigued by a slide for sure. |
There's a lot not on this list purely because of FA expectations that I wouldn't necessarily rule out right now. A couple off the top of my head would be CB Kamari Lassiter, Georgia and LB Edgerrin Cooper, Texas A&M. Those boys bring it and both could be holes to fill. I don't rule Veach out of doing anything, honestly.
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Jeremiah having Newton falling out of the 1st gives me hope that he could fall into our range.
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I think the draft pundits don't like him against the run so much that they are paralyzed and just move him down the boards. I still come back to what's most important in the NFL and at the end of the day, it's pass rush. These are the same pundits that sucked off Calijah Kancey for months and he ended up going 19th, yet Newton is bigger and better than Kancey playing against tougher competition. In a league starved for quality penetrators at the DT position, I don't see how either he or Murphy are there at our pick and I think Newton is a better player than Murphy at disrupting the LOS. |
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McMillan is a guy that's staying off the draft head's radars because of his injury this year but he looked like a guy ready to explode coming off his JR season. And he looked good when available this year. When the regional scouts get 2022 tape in front of their GMs and personnel directors, those guys are going to have McMillan pretty high, IMO. |
I like McMillan alot. Would love him in the 2nd.
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What other wrs do yall like in the 2nd or 3rd? I just don’t see us going wr in round 1 with this much depth. Do you have list of 2nd round guys at wr? And 3rd round WRs?
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Ja'Lynn Polk, Washington Roman Wilson, Michigan Jermaine Burton, Alabama Ricky Pearsall, Florida Jalen McMillan, Washington Ladd McConkey, Georgia Devontez Walker, UNC Brenden Rice, USC Some of these guys will probably go in the 3rd, but I don't expect any of them to make it to 96. |
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I like Worthy and Franklin better, but not THAT much better. |
I think Troy Franklin would be a monster in the Chiefs offense so.
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Only way I'm passing up Franklin or Thomas Jr. is if somebody like Newton or Mims falls into our lap. |
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2nd: Walker McMillan Mitchell Worthy Legette Wilson Burton (would need the interviews to go well) 3rd: McConkey Polk Pearsall Rice Thrash (curious to see how he times; he looks faster than the listed times for him) Does that mean I wouldn't end up getting any of those guys I list as 3rd round guys? Yeah - probably. But I wouldn't be happy to see any of them taken in the 2nd so I'd just shrug and move along. Any one of them COULD be guys I move up into that 2nd round status (probably not Thrash), but I don't think it's terribly likely. |
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I think Franklin is probably better than Worthy, for sure though. |
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I'm probably way to low on the guy.
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The thing is, his old man was the greatest technician to ever play the position. Jr. Actually looks to be a better athlete than his dad was. And nobody worked harder than Jerry Rice. If ANY of that rubbed off... |
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He's just a better prospect than Hyatt. That's the point I'm trying to make, which is why I think it's a different situation too. |
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I don't think Brett Kollmann is a particularly good talent evaluator, so it's worth taking his opinions with a grain of salt, but his comp for Troy Franklin is...MVS. No joke. He says they are both slender-build vertical threats that struggle to play through contact and struggle in contested catch situations.
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Franklin is like a billionaire's MVS. |
Brett Kollman also hated Rashee Rice, called it a terrible pick and said he thought Niko Remigio brought more to the table.
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What do y’all see as the total of wrs selected in each round? This just isn’t adding up to me. Looks like you’re projecting 22 wrs taken in the first 3 rounds. I think the record is 13 WRs taken in the first 2 rounds. And you’d think that the 3rd round would drop a lot with that many teams taking WRs early. The sweet spot is early in the 3rd round for WRs. There should be some talent available. I think we can get a talented guy at the end of round at wr and then trade up in the third and get another really talented wr if we wanted to. And this would be the year to do it.
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He's tall and thin and fast and separates well. He's not going to fare well if a CB like Sneed is lined up against him and can get hands on, and he isn't going to make a living Moss-ing people. |
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Of course I can't take a victory lap until Falcons get a real QB because most people still don't know how good he is. |
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They're big guys that get put in the contested catch only box, but they're sneaky good after the catch, and better athletes than they're given credit for. Interestingly enough, Lance Zierlein's pro comp for Coleman is London. |
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My comps for Coleman might be Pittman or Nico Collins as far as quick and dirty what style of WR you are getting. |
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To get super lazy and just use recent Chiefs, Pittman would be akin to Bowe and Collins to Maclin. |
Just catching up, here's a few thoughts...
1. Franklyn compared to MVS isn't my favorite, I see a bit of C. Watson or G. Pickens crossed with a bit of J. Waddle or Devonta Smith in his game, but think J. Addison is the best comp. Keep in mind though that I ONLY watch these guys college highlights lol. I think Worthy is this year's Hyatt. 2. I'm not very high on big WRs for KC either, unless they have the exceptional physical gifts to be an alpha WR 1 or a big play-breaker. This year those guys for me are Thomas Jr, Keon Coleman and Xavier Legette. Mahomes to Thomas Jr deep would be a great match, if Coleman is the new Mike Evans that'd be a great fit, and I could imagine Andy designing screen passes for Legette to leverage his physical gifts. I hated London last year, didn't even like Dwane Bowe, KC prefers Tyreek Hill types. 3. Speaking of NEVER watching college football, I haven't tuned in to any of Harrison Jr's tape yet. None of the top 3 WRs actually, they're just not of interest if they're not going to be available to us. Is he really that good!? Why is he getting so much hype and Jerry Rice's kid isn't? They both scored 12+ TDs, both had approx. 18 yards per catch, what's the deal? Loved Steve Smith's comment on Rice Jr, said something like "he runs like Pachecco. Like he's running for his life out there! Full sprint every play, maximum effort." 4. I don't think 22 WRs go in the first 3 rounds, there will be guys that drop. I've been thinking lately that there might be a tendency for fans to project WR's higher than they tend to go in the draft because they're a polarizing positions. Fans love offensive weapons! We always fall in love with these draft darlings and forget that most of them don't turn into much when they get in the league. AT Perry is a good example from last year, we were all impressed with him as a novelty and I think he had 1 catch this season. This year, J. Wilson is a better version of what Perry was but not as much interest for whatever reason. Might be bc this draft has so many traditional WRs that he's seen as an odd ball. Might make a good TE!? |
Also, regarding a list of 2nd round targets...
I've been tooling around with the idea of a draft game for us, looking to you guys to see if there's any interest? ...the idea would be to start a thread for our game, everyone picks 3 players for each of our draft picks, and whoever gets the most correct wins. Maybe I'd send you a Chiefs hat or something if you win, and we could play every offseason. Any interest? |
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He put up big games against Washington, USC, Colorado, and Wazzou. Or the best teams they played. Unfortunately, Travis Hunter didn’t play against Oregon, so we don’t have any of that matchup. I don’t think he’s a guy big-voting the shitty teams on their schedule, though. |
Adding to the big vs fast WR discussion that there's really no question which is preferred in today's NFL. Here are a couple articles from PFF highlighting the most efficient RBs and WRs with the most separation in 2023.
Most efficient RB: 1. DE’VON ACHANE, MIAMI DOLPHINS: 92.1 Achane didn’t see the volume of some of the other top running backs, but his efficiency was unmatched. He averaged 7.5 yards per carry, including 4.9 after contact, and forced 30 missed tackles on 108 rushing attempts. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-highest...fL%2BoLPeE5kNC WR's that created the most separation 2023: 1. Tyreek Hill 2. Believe it or not, Justin Watson https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff-rou...4kAWmukA940w76 Kay Take Away Speed Kills. |
I don’t think the take away there is that speed kills. It’s that the dolphins had people so spread out that those fast rbs feasted in that offense. It’s more complimentary football for me. Things have to fit. Were the lions wrong to feed David Montgomery and not feed Gibbs more? I don’t think so. They worked together well. I do think you’re right (as far as speed kills) that Mahomes does best with speedy WRs and their separation. He’s more comfortable with them or appears to be and it really lets him use his arm strength on the deep ball, which we’ve got to get back in this offense. Our offense could be lethal with our current running game and a deep ball. And both of those would open up Kelce more. So, maybe you’re right, speed would kill for us. The fit is there.
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I wouldn't be upset at all with Franklin, my thing is it's kind of against what the Chiefs have looked for in WR's early. Maybe that's a good thing cause it hasn't been a good spot for them drafting early, so some change is needed. |
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For the love of all that is right in the world, please add Kamari Lassiter to this list.
He's one guy I'd drive a stake in the ground for in the first if we don't move way up for a LT or there aren't a very select couple of WRs sitting in striking distance. As much as I like Franklin this is one guy who would probably make me flip a coin, especially if we're losing Sneed. |
If Chris Jones leaves I’m placing all my money on a trade up for Darius Robinson. He’s an ideal Spags DL
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