How about Koji Uehara. Short run, but effing guy was nails in 2013 topping out at around 88.

:thumb: agreed. Good example.
Kim went from a 68 mph curveball to a 91 mph fastball. Thats a helluva difference.

91?

Didnt Mariano Rivera's cutter top out around that and that's pretty much all he threw for the last 7 years of his career.

I get this, like DJ explained earlier, a week off the roster and we keep a year of control. This is a no-brainer. It’s just business. Hope he doesn't hold a grudge.
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Dean and Carlson performed well throughout “Summer Camp,” but Dean had the edge of being on the 40-man roster. As a result the Cardinals can avoid losing a year of control by keeping Carlson off the roster for as little as a week in this shortened 60-game season.

Carlson was assigned to the alternate-site camp in Springfield, Mo., where he was Class AA Texas League’s player of the year in 2019.

“Honestly, I’m disappointed,” Carlson said. “I know this is a business and it’s a decision that was out of my control. I love everyone in that clubhouse and want to see them succeed. I am confident my time will come and in the meantime, I’ll be down in Springfield doing everything in my power to stay ready.”

You would have to be dumb to not sit the kid for a week to gain a year of control, even he knows this.

If in a week he isn't called up then there is an issue to be pissed about.

And the bad ideas keep coming.

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This seasons a joke anyways with players sitting out voluntarily and forcefully. Might as well go the whole ****ing way with the comic show.

lol that's stupid

Glad my MLB.tv hasn't auto renewed yet. I'm just not excited for the season.

Whyyyyyyyyyyy

Sounds like a last minute attempt by the owners to squeeze out a little more revenue.

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Wouldn’t consider Rivera to be a flamethrower by any means.

Opening Day


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:thumb:

We gonna lose half our fanbase when our players take a knee today, or nah?

Every team in every sport is doing the knee thing. They going to quit being a sports fan?

As expected.....



1. Kolten Wong (L) - 2B
2. Tommy Edman (S) - 3B
3. Paul Goldschmidt (R) - 1B
4. Paul DeJong (R) - SS
5. Matt Carpenter (L) - DH
6. Yadier Molina (R) - C
7. Dexter Fowler (S) - RF
8. Tyler O'Neill (R) - LF
9. Harrison Bader (R) - CF

RHP Jack Flaherty

Probably as strong a lineup as they can put out there (Carlson not being there being the notable exception). And if Goldschmidt, Carpenter and Fowler play to some level of their career averages, it's actually a pretty good one.

If they play like they played last year (the far more likely scenario), it's gonna be average on its good days and a complete skid-mark on occasion.

Frazod can appreciate this one:

https://sports.theonion.com/cubs-ins...ver-1844491563

Updated plans on STLtoday site:

Cards to kneel — and then stand
Shildt said the Cardinals may well take a knee for a moment of silence and then stand for the anthem. “There’s clarity as to what we’re going to do. We do understand that the anthem is a sacred thing. And the flag is a very sacred thing. We respect that, of course, and will respect it," Shildt said.

“If we do something in a moment of silence and kneel prior to that, that’s totally different and separate from the anthem which we’ll respect and stand for.

“Our guys are ready. Their heads are in the right place. They’re looking for a peaceful way to bring a little more awareness to something that’s taken place for generations in our country.”

you think the trio in the outfield will only get a week to prove they are an everyday outfielder or else Carlson takes their place? Well Bader and O’Neill anyway. Fowler could hit .200 all 60 games and still start.

Flaherty looks dominate in the first inning. Fowler catches a lazy fly ball for the 3rd out. Immediately turns around to throw the ball into the stands for a souvenir. Not in 2020

I don’t see allowing them to struggle for only a week, but Carlson will get his opportunity.

first AB’s O’Neill muscles out a HR. Bader looked lost and SO looking on something he could have crushed but got fooled. Can O’neill or Carlson play CF regularly?

Yes, both could capably handle CF

As can Thomas, IIRC

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kolten Wong 1st to 3rd was my life before 2020. The home stretch was 2020.</p>&mdash; High Sock Sunday (@HighSock_Sunday) <a href="https://twitter.com/HighSock_Sunday/status/1286839335946522630?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

‘Capably’ is doing a fair amount of work there.

None of them would be truly good out there. Thomas is probably as close to a true CF as there is in that lot and he could probably be a little above league average.

DeGong!

1-0

Good win. Kim looked horrible tho. Hope it was just jitters.

Kim was fantastic last outing. Difference this time was he didn’t get that slider down and in enough. Maybe in the Korea league you can get away with that but in MLB they almost always make you pay if you miss your spot.

Team meeting about BLM. Waino response

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Asked for his opinion on the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stlcards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#stlcards</a> wearing Black Lives Matter t-shirts and taking unified action, Adam Wainwright spoke for more than three minutes. This will be written about extensively, but I wanted to make sure to share his words in total. <a href="https://t.co/D9vfP3W7Gl">pic.twitter.com/D9vfP3W7Gl</a></p>&mdash; Jeff Jones (@jmjones) <a href="https://twitter.com/jmjones/status/1286800756104933382?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

9-1 win today. Offense galore late. Pirates are a triple A club, but any win by waino this year is a huge plus.

Hope Hudson can put a nail in their coffin tomorrow.

So how long is this season going to last?

Players dropping like flies.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/...g-surgery.html

Cardinals right-hander Miles Mikolas will undergo surgery to repair his right flexor tendon and miss the remainder of the 2020 season, president of baseball operations John Mozeliak announced to reporters Tuesday (Twitter link via The Athletic’s Mark Saxon). He’s been placed on the injured list, and right-hander Jake Woodford has been recalled from the club’s alternate training site in a corresponding move. St. Louis also announced that Giovanny Gallegos has been activated from the injured list. Right-hander Daniel Ponce de Leon will start against the Twins tomorrow in place of Mikolas.

The loss of Mikolas is a notable blow to the St. Louis rotation. Since returning from a highly successful stint in Japan in 2018, the now-31-year-old Mikolas has given the Cards 384 2/3 innings of 3.44 ERA ball with averages of 6.8 strikeouts, 1.4 walks and 1.01 home runs per nine innings pitched. The right-hander finished sixth in 2018 National League Cy Young voting and has made 32 starts in each of his two seasons with the Cards.

That on its own would’ve been enough to make the two-year, $15.5MM deal that Mikolas signed with the Cardinals in the 2017-18 offseason a huge success. But the Cardinals clearly viewed the righty as a key long-term asset, as they locked him up on a four-year, $68MM extension prior to the 2019 season. The current season is the first year of that new pact, and a major arm surgery for Mikolas surely isn’t how either player or team hoped to kick things off. The hope is that he’ll be good to go for the 2021 season, Mozeliak added, though a more precise timeline will becomes clearer after the surgery.

Whatever happened to the bubble approach like the NHL and NBA are using? I know the players didn't like it but why? They want to travel away from their wives for 1/2 the time but not all the time?

I heard earlier today that the players association said no to any bubble type approach.

Have you ever seen a lineup where 7-8-9 are the OF positions? We’ve gotta get better there quick.

:hmmm:

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Can’t they call him up after the Twins series? Somebody correct me if I’m wrong. Not sure we’ll see him quite that early anyway.

Yeah I think DJ said after Wednesday's game. But, unless your ready to give up on one of the starters, why bother? Just to set him on the bench. He's down there with Jose now. That dude can coach. Way better than riding the pine in STL. He comes up, he starts.

Glad to see Carlos is the same old spaz.

Martinez ****ing sucks.

Mo is quite possibly the dumbest ****ing front office person in all of professional sports. There was zero reason to sign Miles to the extension just like the Carpenter extension.

Its pathetic, they better call up Carlson as soon as they can. They let Ozuna walk and replaced him with nada.

Eh.

O'Neill is capable of giving us anything Ozuna gave us, provided he stays healthy.

Ozuna just isn't the guy he was in that peak season in Miami. He's a fine power bat but he's not the professional hitter he appeared to be in 2017. Whether it was the shoulder or simple regression - Ozuna's...fine. He's a quality major league player. But he's not a difference maker and he's not someone that a deep system shouldn't be able to replace pretty easily.

He is hitting .278 with 2 HR and 4 RBI with a 1.072 OPS so far to start the season. So yea, having 2 Tyler Oneal's and 1 less Fowler would be beneficial. Put Carlson at CF and production doesn't look too shabby.

Or 1 less Carpenter and Ozuna at DH.

Hell I dont know, anything but the shit we have seen the last 2 games.

But you didn't 'replace Ozuna with nothing' as you have claimed. You replaced him with O'Neill. Who has also had a very good start to the season.

Your issue is that we didn't move on from Fowler but you're beating a dead horse there. This team ain't moving on from Fowler. They simply refuse to acknowledge the sunk costs.

But the Ozuna decision was made independently of the Fowler one. Would I rather have Ozuna than Fowler? Of course. I'd rather have YOU than Fowler. But Fowler didn't ultimately enter into the calculus on the Ozuna decision. He's there. He's getting his starts. Full stop.

So it came down to Ozuna vs. O'Neill and really you're probably talking about a wash there.

It's been amazing to me how we've heard for 15 years how the Cardinals always have "Too many outfielders...."

And yet their outfields always suck. Going all the way back to the Rasmus vs. Jay days, we just "don't have enough innings for all these outfielders in MLB and AAA...." and yet we always get below average production from the outfield writ large.

It constantly goes back to Moe's fascination with his Faberge eggs and his inability to separate real from imagined. The guy just cannot seem to identify who's a JAG and who isn't.

Fowler needs to go but, that aint happening. Dead horse indeed. :(O'Neill has looked a lot better. I've seen all of his AB's. He has for the most part, been laying off the slider in the dirt or outside that he was a sucker for last year. It still happens but at an acceptable rate. He could be a 25-30 homer guy this year. You don't sit those players on the bench.

Bader is still swinging at those sliders that are so far outside that they are in the opposite batting box. The dude has speed but no arm and if he cant lay off that slider, he's not an everyday MLB player.

Looks like the opening in the outfield is going to be CF. Can Carlson play CF?

Bader is a PURE guess hitter right now. I mean it's clear as day.

Throw him a hanging breaker down the middle and he may just take it for a strike. Bury the next one in the dirt and he'll swing through it. And he's not just guessing pitch-type, he's guessing location as well. Throw him a first pitch fastball that's down and in and he'll swing over it because he was expecting it up.

He looks like Grichuk looked for a bit there when he was completely lost. He's not seeing anything, he's not recognizing anything and I'll be completely honest, I'm not sure he's even trying to.

I think he's going up there and before every pitch is delivered he's thinking "Okay, he's gonna throw me a ball, so I'm gonna take..." or "Okay, this is going to be a slider in, so I'm gonna swing" and if he manages to defy the odds and guess both pitch and location, he'll hit it.

He's a MFing mess at the plate. I mean if nothing else, just decide you're a fastball hitter. Go up there hunting fastballs and the very damn instant you see one in the zone, take a hack at it. But he's taken a little over half the fastballs in the zone he's seen for strikes thus far. He's caught in a rocking chair for every single pitch.

He needs to sit. His attitude regarding his hitting has been dogshit for 2 years. He refuses to utilize advanced approaches, he's been unreceptive to coaching and bristles at criticism. That guy got himself a fan club and believed he'd 'arrived' and didn't need to develop anymore. He believed he was better than he was, his development cratered and now he's an offensive liability because of his own piss-poor attitude.

Lane Thomas has earned an opportunity to take that job from Bader. Succeed or fail, he's earned the shot.

Shildt should tell Bader the next time I want you to hit the ball either up the middle or the other way. Every time you don’t do that I’m going to pull you until you get it through your head.

The other day the entire infield other than first base was on the short stop side of second base with runners in scoring position. The hole was gigantic and he still was pulling off the ball even though the Pirate pitcher was throwing pitches on the outer third tailor made to take it the other way. At this point it just seems like he is either too stubborn or stupid to change. One way to find out would be immediate behavior modification.

He is what you want out there defensively. Thomas might be okay, I don’t see Carlson as an everyday CF, but that is with limited observation.

Bader has plenty strong enough arm for center field.

https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/video/...95-1-mph-throw

Good to see Marp is in mid season form. Struck out swinging a year late on a change up. Dude may as well have walked the ball to the plate.

Offense is complete trash again and striking out like they get paid for it.

Every one of these assholes is up there guessing, and every starting pitcher besides Flaherty sucks dick. Waited forever for baseball to come back and I’m tired of it after 5 ****ing games.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cardinals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cardinals</a> offense is searching for a spark. Wait until you read in tomorrow&#39;s <a href="https://twitter.com/stltoday?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@StlToday</a> how Dylan Carlson hit a ball over the wall today off Genesis Cabrera down in Springfield. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Spoiler?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Spoiler</a></p>&mdash; Derrick S. Goold (@dgoold) <a href="https://twitter.com/dgoold/status/1288665424897466370?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is likely a throw away season, may as well evaluate the talent and let the youngsters get some experience.

I'm trying to take the approach that this is the ideal season to suck so I don't keep getting pissed off.

HTF do you get caught swinging so late on a 80mph pitch? What the **** was Marp "guessing" was coming? A 70mph change up?

I can't wait for that turd and Fowler to be flushed.

Yeah, I'm there too but we know who Fowler and Carp are. Thats not changing this year. Maybe Mo will surprise us but I seriously doubt that day will ever come.

Bader cant hit breaking balls. How are you suppose to be a MLB starter and cant hit a breaking ball? The data is clear for anyone to see. 1300+ breaking balls seen at the MLB level isn't a small sample size.



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Luis Robert - he's pretty good. Think he could've beat out ol' Bader Tots?

Cardinals didn't want to sign him because "If he's good, we'll just have to pay him again..."

I hate this franchise, man. They're just complete assholes and they think we're all really stupid.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Major League Baseball and the MLB Players Association have agreed to stage seven-inning doubleheaders starting Aug. 1, sources familiar with the situation tell ESPN.</p>&mdash; Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1288987551638970368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sounds like someone caught the COVID

Supposedly Martinez was one. Anecdotal social media posts say they spotted him out and about living large. Who knows if it’s the truth? People are piling on Martinez these days.

They are back on the field tonight against the Cubs, With the 5 days locked into hotel rooms, not playing in a week, Molina and Dejong out its not looking good for us this weekend.

Last time we saw the Cubs we didn't just sweep a 4 game series from them but smoked them bad, knocked them out of the playoffs. I'd say they are looking for some payback.

No, they aren’t.

Game today is postponed.

Had no idea there was a new player test positive. Irresponsible assholes. What an embarrassment.




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Dylan Carlson called up.

I don’t see any way they call him up to spot start and pinch hit. He’d better be starting. I’m assuming the Bader era is over until he learns to hit and lay off the slider in the dirt.

The latest looks like the season will resume on Saturday with a double header.

Sad midwestern folks won’t show up for work.

My granddad was a war vet farmer from central Missouri and ted slap these cards in the face being whimps


Stan The Man spent ‘45 in Pearl Harbor. He’d be shocked at this

Are you acting like they had a choice to play. Dumb...but yeah thus society is sad as ****. Generations of soft bitches.

Ban the Cardinals
 

Why do we let the stupid Cardinals have a forum on our Chiefs Planet? Stay true to the Royals and Chiefs and ban these posts :banghead:

Its a thread, not a forum dipshit. It's existed for over 18 years on here. You don't want to see it, use the ignore thread option. But, 49 posts and your in the deep red means your probably just an asshole trying to start some shit.

Why do we not let you blowy yourself to bits?

So now that they are calling him up, his clock officially starts. Did the Cardinals "get" that extra year of arbitration on him with all of the postponements they've had?

I was pretty damn curious about that one myself. I don't think the number of games played technically matters. I think it's simply number of days on the active roster.

I mean - surely Mo wouldn't screw that up.

Then again, Freddy Tatis did an interview today where he said the Cardinals had Tatis Jr in for 19 separate workouts nearly a year before he signed and Fernando Sr couldn't figure out why they wouldn't just go ahead and sign him.

So combine that with the "If he's good we'll just have to pay him again" ****up on Luis Robert and know that we could've had a ballclub w/ Robert, Harper, Carlson and Tatis on it for less than we paid for Goldschmidt, Fowler and Carpenter and suddenly you realize that NOTHING is too stupid for John Mozeliak.

I remember when the Cubs and the Bryant being called up "controversy" happened that they were saying its days on the active roster, not games played.
:thumb: Is there anyone that posts on here that thinks Mo is doing a good job? Even to my layman's eyes, he's screwed up soooo many times lately. The only explanation is that he's still making money hand over fist for the owner. It certainly cant be his baseball moves.

The Cardinals and Cubs are going to play 3 straight doubleheaders this week. Yikes.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MLB announces Cardinals scheduling updates. <a href="https://t.co/KlDE1A0QOL">pic.twitter.com/KlDE1A0QOL</a></p>&mdash; Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1294313421488480257?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Willie McGee, in his third year as a Cardinals coach, is 61 years old, suffers from high blood pressure and has three older daughters and five grandchildren living with him in the family home at Martinez, Calif. Those, he said, were three good reasons for him to ask the Cardinals if he could go home for the rest of the season, and president of baseball operations John Mozeliak said he understood.

Willie should. People in those situations should be the ones worrying. The abomination of covid testing should be enough. Those tests are garbage.