That's true, and 500-800 dollars on up are normal payments a month.

Most people can't afford that.

Or can they?

:shrug:

Built-in bluetooth. Jut like my current truck..

I hate to ask anyone what they are paying a month for those vehicles, its not my money they can look all nice and pretty driving down the road for all i care,
I suppose someone in the industry can give more input on the money side of that.

If by affording you mean having a shit ton of credit card debt for your monthly other purchases and little to no savings, than yes.

Now the Rezvani has someone to butt rape

https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/ima...ani-tank_4.jpg

Is that a truck or SUV?

:doh!:

I'd go with SUV.

My 2016 and 2019 2500 diesels end up being within 1-2 cents per mile of a 5-10 year old used pickup when I trade in.

I used to use older vehicles for work, but the repairs and downtime killed me. Find out brand new vehicles cost roughly the same without the problems when it’s all said and done.

You just have to get over the initial cost, negotiate smartly, and pay it off in at the most 2 years.

This is for business using write offs. Anyone that doesn’t have that ability is going to get CRUSHED when it comes to value. Buy used if you work for someone else.

How else do you integrate those solar panels without making it look like ass?

Yeah it's ****ing weird how people are ok with 6 years or more of car payments. But people treat car payments as basically just another bill like an electric or gas bill. It's crazy.

Indeed... we also practice 'if we can't pay today then we can't afford it', including with cars. We've still got nice cars.

Actually...the opposite is true.

https://camestrosfelapton.files.word.../usrealgdp.png

Another "truck" for the Overland Park farmers.

What exactly do you think that chart shows?

Real GDP per capita is a measurement of the total economic output of a country divided by the number of people and adjusted for inflation. It's used to compare the standard of living between countries and over time.

Prices of things especially vehicles have still gone up by a larger factor than wages have.

I managed to keep my older ones up and running, but I've figured out the same thing.

I used to try to get 2-3 year old ones with 30K miles and let someone else eat the big depreciation and dumping them before they get to 100K. But if you assume a new one and the used will be worth the same money at 90,000 miles, they came out to the penny on a $/mile basis. And you get warranty with a new one.

Now, I managed to find a 4 year old one with 8K miles that I was able to get the cost per mile down some so that's what I'm currently driving, but barring uncovering any other barely driven used vehicles, I'm probably going the new route next time.

Now on our personal vehicle, wife is driving a 5 year old rig.

Saw a commercial the other day for a Lincoln Navigator.

They emphasized the price as $72,000 or $849 a month as if it was some sort of bargain.

:facepalm:

Sounds like they'll offer a version where the "vault" tonneau cover has solar and can get you an additional 15 miles per day.

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No. It's the inherent nature of liquid battery cells. Operate best in the low 70's.

I'm not sure that will be an issue for the truck as I'm not sure they plan on using either the 18650 or 2170 cell architectures and seem to be on the verge of commercializing their own solid state batteries, which the cold wouldn't affect nearly as much.

The beauty is that even if it is an issue, with the 500+ like range, you'll still get 400+ miles per charge and recharge should be even faster than the Model 3 with all that battery to take the charge.

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15 doesn't sound worth the cost and trouble to me.

1. It's an electric vehicle so it's defacto more reliable than any trick you can buy. No belts, pulleys, transmission, oils/fluids, spark plugs etc.

Just battery and motor. As long as you have good connection and no pieces of metal stabbed through the battery, you should be good.

2. Shouldn't need a toolbox aside from the organization aspect of it all as the tonneau bed cover is aluminum and you can walk all over it. Your stuff should be secure just in the bed.

It's also got built-in 110/220v outlets and air compressor utility ports from the dynamically adjustable air suspension.

3.Windshield wiper blades and tires. Maybe some grease for the suspension. Only other things would be the glycol or whatever they run through the thermal management system but they generally take care of that at this point.

Model 3 recommended maintenance schedule is every 2 years for reference.

4. It's a 2500 for $40k.

3500lb payload
14,000lb towing
16 inch ground clearance(4 inch adjustable)
Probably near limitless torque etc

Maintenance is essentially 0, and $18-$24 to get your full 500 miles of range.

There's literally no economic case against it.

There is though, a lot of "it's not a real truck" bs floating in here but so far the only legitimate complaint I hear is "you can't sit on slanted bed rails".

Honestly, what couldn't this truck do? If anything, this is more capable than a 2500 with unknown utility yet to be add through software updates.

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Agreed. It's for the "why don't they just..." crowd and preppers.

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I hadn't heard this, but won't be an issue for Tesla. Especially with those big tires. Tesla's float bitch!

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2016/06/2...ed-tunnel.html



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It'll only be as good as who's building it.

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Obviously there's the cyberpunk aesthetic, but I'm pretty sure the target customer for the Cybertruck uses the Tesla Network.

Pretty sure the truck was built for the network:

Stainless steel exterior that won't show dents and scraped paint of the fleet. Will basically last forever.

Wire wheel cleans anything.

All the important stuff is a part of the skateboard anyway. Which is about as unbelievably robust as cellphones sometimes are. So if the battery or drivetrain goes, just outfit with the latest and greatest skateboard. Body is fine. Stainless steel and all.

Has large comfortable seats for 6 large adults with front and center 17" media hub with Netflix, Hulu, YouTube, videogames etc etc

They call the bed "the vault", a lockable aluminum rollup security door that a guy can jump on.

Lockable frunk

Lockable bed rail storage

The thing is built to solve for a lot of problems. 6.5" x 4.5" bed, frunk etc, all the lockable storage plus uber xl, black level bullet proof passenger compartment. If made autonomous can make money on fairs all day and drop packages while in the vicinity of the recipient at literally any location.

It greatly increases the value of each mile driven while substantially reducing cost to operate. It's a logistics machine, I love it.

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Without wading through the entire thread, is it 4WD? I don't give a shit what thw torque is if it only hits 2 wheels.

Musk is crazy
Like bat shit crazy
That is not a truck and I hope he is on the maiden voyage trip to mars

Either way depending on the money you spend.

Optional AWD, yes.

This is true. But you're all in and the thing hasn't hit the road yet. New models of any vehicle tend to have issues. Even Toyotas. And lithium batteries don't do so well when banged, rattled and vibrated heavily for hours at a time. And then there's the wiring/connections etc., that would have to put up with all of that as well. Never mind what would happen if the battery case cracked while you were driving through a 3-foot deep stream.

And I've seen first-hand what happens if a lithium battery gets smacked too hard.

So I'll wait and see what that thing does when you get it out say on the Rubicon Trail or Imogene Pass, or even just up the Deer Creek Trail on Boulder Mountain before considering that thing a real pick-up.

If it has more than one motor its going to be 4 wheel drive.

It comes in RWD, Dual Motor AWD, or a tri motor setup, probably the plaid powertrain they're currently developing. They say 0-60 in 2.9.

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LMAO

https://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/...216-blowup.jpg

They've got their tech pretty dialed in. The battery is armored from the bottom and sides. Not sure if they go with the stainless they covered the car with or the usual titanium.

The 35 degree approach angle, 28 degree departure angle and 16" ground clearance won't hurt either.

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Great, Telsa fanboy has shown up to ruin this thread.

That's fine
F -N Musk is still bat shit cray cray
Approach angles n' all
Just dont throw rocks at the side windows

To be fair, there's not a car out there with windows that would have taken that hit. Their problem was making a big deal out of it as if it were a compelling feature in the first place. It's not like most people need a window that can take a bullet.

First- promoted as "such"

Second -Tell that to the peeps who live in Crenshaw.....
FWIW most are still Faider fans

No it's because unions along with bad Managment created the stupid cost and the crisis.

They paid back the bail out money with interest ahead of schedule so no idea why people still bitch about it.

How many miles that battery last while towing 6,000lbs? 100 miles is my guess.

The Beast.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017...8406388904.jpg

I'd guess that 9/10 of these things will be sold to people living in major metropolitan cities who never tow anything.

Fly me to the moon .....

300-400 I bet. Worst case, big load in winter, I bet you're looking at 250mi from the 500mi battery pack. More than enough to get supercharger to supercharger.

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The YouTube channel, The Fast Lane Car, towed a little overland camper with the Tesla SUV. I think the trailer was just a few thousand pounds, it completely skull ****ed the range. I can’t remember exactly but it was something crazy, the SUV normal range is 300 miles(?) and it sucked it down to 100(?).

Yeah, as I said earlier in the thread, this thing's target market has to be Land Rover people. It's definitely not a work truck in its current form.

Here is the SUB towing I mentioned



https://www.tflcar.com/2019/09/a-tes...-try-and-fail/

The most experienced tower I've seen gets about 200 mi from a 295 mi battery pack towing a 3800lb camper and everything inside to live. Worst case they got pushed to 150 I believe.

Think my estimates line up pretty well percentage wise.

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I dunno. I work for a living and I don't see any reason it's not a superior work truck, especially from a fleet owners financial perspective.

Near limitless life on the body

All the utility of a 2500

Best driver safety assistance system in the world

GPS nav and search

Always on LTE connection likely to eventually go on crazy fast SpaceX satellite network

Incredibly well written software purpose written for specific tasks by mining loads of data for information

1/4 the fuel cost

Maintenance costs nearly gone entirely

With the tailgate down it'll handle 4x8 plywood laid flat with room to spare

Entire bed covered with t slot bolt channels and various other tie down points.

110v/220v outlets

Built in air compressor with utility ports

This is all standard and with almost no knowledge of the storage potential of the main cabin, frunk or rear bed rails.

If they solve full self driving, and laws change to suit, your employees can complete paperwork, schedule, answer email and texts, coordinate plans and orders/deliveries while traveling.

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I forgot you were the Tesla ballwasher around here.

1. Look dude. I am fully apprised of the maintenance benefits of electric vs internal combustion. Notorious and I were straight giddy at the prospect. I get it. But there is 0% chance I'm going to be the beta test for this shit on the farm. None. I have a program I get along with with gassers. I don't need to be the guy that figures out what they need to re-engineer. And to pretend these things are going to be perfect with serial number 001 is straight up intergallactically stupid.

2. Says the dude that has never used tools. Suggesting that a guy with a shitload of tools needed in the field should just throw them in the bed is also...you guessed it...intergallactically stupid.

I don't carry a generator, so I don't much care about the 110/220. As far as the air, I'm 99.99999999% sure it won't be enough to do any real good. We have compressors on all the semis for suspensions to hold up 100K lb and they don't move near enough CFM to do any real good. There is no way a compressor for a tiny little pickup suspension is going to do anything substantial. They just wouldn't pull that many amps from the drivetrain to do it.

3. I run a whole ****load of electrical shit on the farm. None of it is maintenance free completely. Although if Musk gets the engineering right, it should be relatively worry free.

4. Yeah. I read the specs. We'll see. Like I said, if it delivers, I'm all over it like stink on shit. But we'll see.

2. I build giant buildings for a living with my own hands and get paid well to use both my back and my brain.

I'm well versed in work. I've been down in mudholes for days fighting the frost and cored 5" holes through 3' thick concrete walls. Never met a problem I can't get solved.

I appreciate the mutual respect though.[emoji6]

3. I understand you run electrical equipment. I do too! I install it as well. This isn't that level of engineering though. We aren't talking about a lift with dumb electrical circuitry with the only think protecting their connections being a rubber boot maybe.


These are ultra geeks who have the resources of SpaceX to lean on with a guy who's smart enough to understand good ideas and bad ones controlling the purse strings.

I've done work in the ISU Skunk works for JD at BRF outside of Ames, I've been all over the U of I and it's engineering spaces. They aren't anything compared to this.

Don't get me wrong, they're great, brilliant people who do great work, but they can only work within the freedom their given and the only great ideas they can chase are the ones that someone sees as achievable in the short term with nothing deemed "impossible" on the table.

There's a guy named Sandy Monroe, who owns a engineering consult firm that tears apart automobiles, heavy equipment, military vehicles you name it, depends on the customer. He says the $35k Model 3 has military fighter plane level electronics.

In other words, you're lift/tractor etc etc needs service. A Tesla skateboard is more like a cellphone with most all components contained in a strong flat rectangular box that is basically waterproof.

Now, your phone or tablet almost never needs servicing. My android is subject to all the dirt/dust metal and wood shavings tossing in my pockets all day and sometimes I have to pound dirt or pull metal shavings out of ports/holes at the end of the day. It handles falls, water, heat, cold. Still, runs without fail.

That's what a Tesla skateboard is. Self contained. Strong as all hell, best crash safety in the industry. Dust/waterproof to some degree. Waterproof enough to float for awhile at least.

Examples of reasons they are better are countless, but one example is in simplifying complex machines by deleting things you don't really need. Tesla is great at getting rid of shit you don't need and still making the product better.

For instance, a typical car has about 1 mile of copper cabling in it. The Model 3 got that down to about 1500 meters(?) from the 3000 meters in the Model S. Good, but now all future Tesla cars should be built with less than 300' I'd cabling. Not only did that simplify manufacturing and make the car lighter, but using a communications network similar to what you'd find in a Siemens HVAC network or a class A fire alarm circuit, two way, fully redundant ring type network communication, you can sever a cable and keep going. Lose a motor too? No worry, you've got one or two more.

If you think a possible customer target for this thing isn't the military you're crazy.

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I'll admittedly greet this with a bit of skepticism. Gearheads are notorious for lying/cheating to make Tesla look bad.

Top Gear did it by pretending the car ran out of juice and they had to push it, and recently Porsche did so by racing their Taycan against it and "beating it" while it was in a mode reserved to deliver maximum range efficiency, not performance.

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2. For anyone that uses tools regularly, throwing them in the back of your pickup is just dumb. Especially as much shit as I have in mine.

3. I'm willing to roll with the engineering. I'll be the first to admit that Deere's electrical is shit. It boggles the mind that it's so poor. If they can get the electrical working like Deere's mechanical, I'll be good.

But let's not pretend like they're without problems. I don't follow Tesla very closely at all, but a 5 second google search yielded a lot of shit. That's just the top 3. All from 2019.

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...bility-issues/

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/10/b...k-outlook.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesl...rs-say-2019-10

Like I said, if they deliver, I'll probably be on it. There are a lot of things there that would fit right in, you know, as long as they do shit like a receiver hitch and shit.

Like Musk and other companies aren't going to design a toolbox to fit in the back of these trucks...

So an owner's only option will be a Tesla toolbox. Which will still be a pain to access with those silly slanted bed rails.

how are the mexicans I pick up at home depot supposed to sit on those bed rails when i hire them to put on a roof and pay them in Wendy's hamburgers

Only musktards believe this thing is anything besides a giant piece of shit

They posted a video of this pulling a 2wd f150 backwards

Hopefully we get to find out.

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https://www.barstoolsports.com/iowa/...yCnPEXxFPCQGfM

According to Forbes, Tesla share price fell about 6 percent following the Cybertruck debut; this caused Musk’s net worth to drop to $768 million, leaving him with $23.6 billion.

I really despise articles like that. While factually true, he gains or loses millions of dollars every day. I've circled the drop they're talking about. It's hardly even notable compared to the long-term fluctuations.

https://i.imgur.com/NC2rRdE.png

Apparently not, Ford backed out:

"However, when asked if Tesla had reached out to Ford to set up a competition, a Ford spokeswoman said "Sunny’s tweet was tongue in cheek to point out the absurdity of Tesla’s video, nothing more.""

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/ford-no...of-war-rematch

https://www.businessinsider.com/elec...-pounds-2019-7

Heh, Ford has a NORMAL functioning electric truck.

If Chevy/Dodge/Ford builds a normal pickup that has an electric power train Tesla can get ****ed.

Less publicized, but far more important, it lowered my net worth by a couple hundred bucks.

I watched a couple of videos on Tesla's truck that made a good point (even if I don't think people like you will be interested in it in its current form). If Tesla had released a truck that looks pretty much like every other truck, it's pretty unlikely ANYONE would buy it. Ford F150 people would likely keep buying Ford F150s (or the electric equivalent). Dodge Ram people would likely keep buying Dodge Rams. Truck buyers are notoriously loyal, so it's just plain unlikely that anyone who has driven a certain model of truck for years is going to change to a Tesla all of a sudden.

By going completely different, they'll appeal to a DIFFERENT audience in the beginning, allowing them to showcase what their version can do. In the future, if they decide to tone it down, they'll have a reputation to go off of and perhaps have more of a chance of convincing people.

So in short, this model isn't for traditional truck buyers because traditional truck buyers probably wouldn't have considered a Tesla anyway. By going so different on the look, though, you'll start to temper your concerns over time after seeing them popping up all over the place. In theory.

It's a very different approach, but it does make some sense.

It makes some sense, but not particularly for me. I am a value guy. If I can get the same functionality or more for a better gig, I'm down. I just need reasonable assurance of reliability.

If that's the case, then they blew it imo. The damn thing still needs to look like a truck, not a Mars rover. It needs to have some sort of appeal to a truck buyer. You can't just say, "ah **** it, Ford guy is gonna buy Ford" and throw your arms up in the air. If you don't think you can compete with them and break into the segment, then why bother in the first place?

How about take a page from Toyota, and build a truck that truck guys want? The new Tundras for example. They weren't in the big truck market until they burst on the scene with their redesign.

Nissan, with the Titan. When that thing first came out you'd see it popping up all over construction sites. That was truck was hot when it was released.

Aggressive styling, comfort, and torque is what you need to pull buyers away from the big 3. It can be done. Nissan and Toyota have demonstrated that.

But that ****ing thing in the OP? It's hard to imagine any working class, truck owning man wanting that.

You say they'll appeal to a different audience, but i can't imagine that thing selling enough to change anyone's mind.

I'm still trying to figure out what demographic buys that.

I currently own a truck, I will definitely take a look at this once it's available.

:shrug:

Apparently 200k people have already put down a deposit on one. Granted, it's only $100, and it's fully refundable, so it's a pretty weak gauge of commitment.

As a work truck? As a toy hauler? Glorified grocery getter? What would you be doing with it?

My current truck (Titan) gets used for off-road/mountain road travel for camping and exploring, hauling lumber and supplies for building projects (personal, not work related), and has exactly the number of seats I need (6). The one downside is how much gas it uses.

Oh i meant the Tesla. You would use this Tesla truck for those same duties?

Yes.

Too me it's not a truck or a SUV. It's more of a city ORV. Maybe it could be called a CORV. Plus would you need to have a Mohawk hair cut, wear a spiked leather collar, etc. to drive one?

ROFL

I hadn't seen it was 100 bucks. Wasn't the model 3 1000+? That seems like such a small amount it wouldn't give you good data to anticipate demand. It's nearly a throwaway amount if you're really considering a 55k + tax type truck

Yep.