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bricks 09-18-2015 02:17 PM

Andy Reid is fat and dumb.

If he lost some weight maybe he'd be smarter.

The guy has been a fat pig his whole life. If he doesn't understand that obesity increases the risks of diseases like cardiovascular disease or diabetes, I doubt it he will also learn that poor game clock management skills costs us games.

rabblerouser 09-18-2015 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11739754)
They were good until Dan Snyder lucked in to the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Oh, come on. The league picks teams it likes.

The Patriots have been to 8 Super Bowls over 2 ownership regimes, like almost as many head coaches, and 3 (team drafted)Pro Bowl qbs over the past 30 years.

The Steelers...the Giants...the Packers...the Colts

How would like to go from the best years of Manning's prime to having Andrew Luck?? Or go from Eason to Bledsoe to Brady - all "homedrafted" pro bowl qbs who lead the team to at least one SB appearance each, with 4 victories the culmination??

It's never going to happen here.

rabblerouser 09-18-2015 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav (Post 11739821)
Shrugs. I got it explained to me. And it makes perfect sense.

Alex Smith is a yes man and will go with whatever Andy wants. Makes complete sense. Lost a lot of respect for Alex.

Yeah

Pasta Little Brioni 09-18-2015 02:24 PM

Chiefs were built up just enough to be fed to build up Denver as a heel

rabblerouser 09-18-2015 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 11739845)
Chiefs were built up just enough to be fed to build up Denver as a heel

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z...psvi4gvsdn.gif"Clash of the Champions"

Over half the country thought KC was gonna KO Manning.

KC wound up fighting hard, looking like Rocky vs Apollo, til the end of 12, then took a dive.

rabblerouser 09-18-2015 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 11739130)
I hear ya. Deal is the Chiefs are a good team BUT they don't know how to win these types of games and, in the process, take the next step at becoming a consistently good team. A HUGE problem is that you rely on good coaching to get you over the hump and to the next level. In KC the in-game coaching decisions are what is preventing the Chiefs from taking the next step in becoming a consistently good team. Last night, all of Reids shortcomings as a game day coach were on display for all to see. He failed and so did the Chiefs as a result. :shake:

Failed as a result of their coach.

KCUnited 09-18-2015 02:32 PM

When getting raped from behind, Reid combats its by arching his back.

rabblerouser 09-18-2015 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 11739869)
When getting raped from behind, Reid combats its by arching his back.

Reid combats it by closing his eyes and leaning into it, bucking and thrasing...

His philosophy must be that, if the rape is inevitable, it may as well be a wild ride.

Pablo 09-18-2015 02:35 PM

I wonder how many ropes Alex has attempted to shoot into Andy's stache.

They all fall short of course and just trickle down his knuckles, but year four he's gonna get them there.

rabblerouser 09-18-2015 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 11739878)
I wonder how many ropes Alex has attempted to shoot into Andy's stache.

They all fall short of course and just trickle down his knuckles, but year four he's gonna get them there.

Andy says Alex shoots them there 'to perfection'

ChiTown 09-18-2015 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 11739878)
I wonder how many ropes Alex has attempted to shoot into Andy's stache.

They all fall short of course and just trickle down his knuckles, but year four he's gonna get them there.

LMAO

Mr. Laz 09-18-2015 03:17 PM

This should be Andy Reid's final season in KC but you know it won't be.

as long as the team isn't an embarrassment, the Hunt family will stand pat.


as of right now, it seems like Dorsey is doing the better job. If he can keep selecting guys like Peterson then he will be a quality GM.

Discuss Thrower 09-18-2015 03:18 PM

Reid isn't going anywhere until 2017. Same with Smith.

I think they'll win one playoff game in that span and it'll be the end of their era.

ChiTown 09-18-2015 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11740003)
Reid isn't going anywhere until 2017. Same with Smith.

I think they'll win one playoff game in that span and it'll be the end of their era.

:eek: - seeing how we haven't won a playoff game in 20+ years, that'll be some kinda progress!

Discuss Thrower 09-18-2015 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 11740007)
:eek: - seeing how we haven't won a playoff game in 20+ years, that'll be some kinda progress!

Oh absolutely. I'd wager they win a playoff game next year, people get giddy at the idea of "Okay gang, this is the year. They won a wild card game and were X, Y and Z away from getting to the AFCCG. This is a SB winning team!"


And then they start out the first eight weeks with 4+ losses, are scoreboard watching in Week 16 and 17 hoping four different outcomes come out in KC's favor and miss the playoffs just like last year.


Because Chiefs.

rabblerouser 09-18-2015 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11740022)
Oh absolutely. I'd wager they win a playoff game next year, people get giddy at the idea of "Okay gang, this is the year. They won a wild card game and were X, Y and Z away from getting to the AFCCG. This is a SB winning team!"


And then they start out the first eight weeks with 4+ losses, are scoreboard watching in Week 16 and 17 hoping four different outcomes come out in KC's favor and miss the playoffs just like last year.


Because Chiefs.

Yeah, it's not rigged - it just always comes up snake eyes for KC.

"Because Chiefs" is a perfectly valid and sound reasoning, logical in its scope...but the league fixing games for profit is 'crazy' and illogical.

"Impossible" some people claim...

rabblerouser 09-18-2015 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11739999)
This should be Andy Reid's final season in KC but you know it won't be.

as long as the team isn't an embarrassment, the Hunt family will stand pat.

Both statements are 100% true, and quoted them for fact.

jimidollar 09-18-2015 03:37 PM

Andy is a mad scientist. His plan is to tank the season, stockpile draft picks, wait for Manning to retire and get an easier schedule. Boom, success!!

rabblerouser 09-18-2015 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jimidollar (Post 11740050)
Andy is a mad scientist. His plan is to tank the season, stockpile draft picks, wait for Manning to retire and get an easier schedule. Boom, success!!

That's gotta be it.

RunKC 09-18-2015 03:51 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“When you have the best running back in the NFL, you just want to get him some opportunities.” - Reid on running the ball with Charles late.</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/644967587282046976">September 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Yeah but won't call him up for a running play on the Denver 2 yard line on 3 tries.

ChiTown 09-18-2015 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11740080)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“When you have the best running back in the NFL, you just want to get him some opportunities.” - Reid on running the ball with Charles late.</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/644967587282046976">September 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Yeah but won't call him up for a running play on the Denver 2 yard line on 3 tries.

Bingo

TEX 09-18-2015 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11740080)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“When you have the best running back in the NFL, you just want to get him some opportunities.” - Reid on running the ball with Charles late.</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/644967587282046976">September 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Yeah but won't call him up for a running play on the Denver 2 yard line on 3 tries.

HELLO!

Pablo 09-18-2015 04:00 PM

Oh, **** you Andy.

rabblerouser 09-18-2015 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11740080)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“When you have the best running back in the NFL, you just want to get him some opportunities.” - Reid on running the ball with Charles late.</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/644967587282046976">September 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Yeah but won't call him up for a running play on the Denver 2 yard line on 3 tries.

EDIT :

To be accurate, the first two pass plays (also behind the LOS) did net a combined -4 total, so the third play was from the 6 yd line.

Had 1st and goal at the 2, lost 4 yards then fumbled on 3rd down...

Yeah. He's an offensive genius. ROFL

srvy 09-18-2015 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11739089)
Milkman said it best. Andy is an elite HC Monday-Saturday and below average at best on Sunday's

How does this account for Thursday?

farmerchief 09-18-2015 04:46 PM

At very least, Reid should and over the play called to Pederson, give him a chance to see how it goes.(plus Andy would have someone to shoulder the blame, if this type crap continues)

rabblerouser 09-18-2015 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 11740102)
How does this account for Thursday?

It doesn't.

Andy Reid is simply not a good coach. Anything else is justification or excuses.

Discuss Thrower 09-18-2015 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by farmerchief (Post 11740166)
At very least, Reid should and over the play called to Pederson, give him a chance to see how it goes.(plus Andy would have someone to shoulder the blame, if this type crap continues)

Because changing the coaching staff's roles midseason is what winning franchises do.

rabblerouser 09-18-2015 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11740321)
Because changing the coaching staff's roles midseason is what winning franchises do.

Worked for Baltimore the year they won their most recent SB

ILChief 09-18-2015 06:07 PM

Andy Reid is an enigma. When he is on, he is one of the best play callers in the league (See New England game last year). When he's off, it's a mess (last night). He is a good coach but he needs an OC with some credibility to reign him in. Pederson isn't that. Childress may be better for the OC and put Pederson at QB coach.

rabblerouser 09-18-2015 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 11740354)
Andy Reid is an enigma. When he is on, he is one of the best play callers in the league (See New England game last year). When he's off, it's a mess (last night). He is a good coach but he needs an OC with some credibility to reign him in. Pederson isn't that. Childress may be better for the OC and put Pederson at QB coach.

****, I forgot about Childress!!

We have a play caller of THAT caliber and we're ****ing around with Fat Andy's stupid bullshit??

JFC:banghead::doh!:

srvy 09-18-2015 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 11740354)
Andy Reid is an enigma. When he is on, he is one of the best play callers in the league (See New England game last year). When he's off, it's a mess (last night). He is a good coach but he needs an OC with some credibility to reign him in. Pederson isn't that. Childress may be better for the OC and put Pederson at QB coach.

Childress is stealing money if he is our QB coach LMAO

rabblerouser 09-18-2015 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 11740408)
Childress is stealing money if he is our QB coach LMAO

He's not even that.

He's the 'spread game analyst', whatever the **** that is.

jimidollar 09-18-2015 07:38 PM

Remember that BS about Andy saving plays? Well, there they were!

DaneMcCloud 09-18-2015 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11739585)
Good.

If you can't keep up, go home.

You're like an old man who walks into the room in the middle of a movie and demands to know what's happening in it but never quite catches up.

You're a ****ing loon

rabblerouser 09-18-2015 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11740553)
You're a ****ing loon

Oh I've always been crazy...it's what's kept me from going insane ;)

Nice avatar, btw.

Pig Burger...everybody wants some.

I want some too...

Psyko Tek 09-18-2015 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 11739075)
Remember that 49ers game last year? This is that game all over again.

Reid refused to run. Stupid playcalling cost us the game and it ended with a turnover.

offensive geniouses throw the ball, cost seattle a superbowl and us the ass beating denver deserved

RunKC 09-18-2015 07:55 PM

Here's something else that pisses me off. Andy wants to throw on 3 tries is indefensible enough, BUT you throw it behind the line of scrimmage when you have Jeremy Maclin and Travis Kelce? Jesus. Maclin and Charles didn't even move forward in their routes.

And something else that really pisses me off is that once again the Broncos threw cheap shots at the Chiefs. Once again Von Miller hit Alex with a dirty hit. Kelce gets thrown by Von Miller after the whistle and he does nothing.

This team had twelve flags thrown on them. Three of them were declined.
Couldn't one of those flags be put to good use and hitting Von back? I honestly don't give a ****.

The Broncos are cheap shot artists and they came in here and we did nothing.
DAT was the only player that showed emotion over his QB getting cheap shotted by a thug.

Jerm 09-18-2015 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11740597)
Here's something else that pisses me off. Andy wants to throw on 3 tries is indefensible enough, BUT you throw it behind the line of scrimmage when you have Jeremy Maclin and Travis Kelce? Jesus. Maclin and Charles didn't even move forward in their routes.

And something else that really pisses me off is that once again the Broncos threw cheap shots at the Chiefs. Once again Von Miller hit Alex with a dirty hit. Kelce gets thrown by Von Miller after the whistle and he does nothing.

This team had twelve flags thrown on them. Three of them were declined.
Couldn't one of those flags be put to good use and hitting Von back? I honestly don't give a ****.

The Broncos are cheap shot artists and they came in here and we did nothing.
DAT was the only player that showed emotion over his QB getting cheap shotted by a thug.

Bill Maas was talking about this today on 610...basically called out the team for getting punked at home.

Completely agree.

NJChiefsFan 09-18-2015 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11740080)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“When you have the best running back in the NFL, you just want to get him some opportunities.” - Reid on running the ball with Charles late.</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/644967587282046976">September 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
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What a sad attempt to insult our intelligence by Reid. The massive contradiction he is making with this comment and his first half calls is almost painful. The guy has a lot of good qualities, we don't need to pretend he doesn't to underline the point that he can be horrible in game management decisions. Last night was about as brutal as it gets. The Giants ****ed up for 5 minutes, Reid did it for the whole game.

Jerm 09-18-2015 08:17 PM

You want to give him opportunities......except for 1st & Goal on the frickin 2 yard line....

Save it Andy...

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-18-2015 08:26 PM

Any thread, by anyone, that sings this beautiful song of truth and justice is a thread I want to make love to.

IN.

rabblerouser 09-19-2015 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams (Post 11740715)
Any thread, by anyone, that sings this beautiful song of truth and justice is a thread I want to make love to.

IN.

It's the truth.

A bunch of punch - drunk mama's boys want to convince themselves that Reid is a decent coach, but no decent coach makes those decisions repeatedly, 15 or 16 years in.

Either Reid sucks or he throws games on purpose.

Pick one.

But he's not a good coach. I don't care what he does during the week. Matt Cassel was great during the week too. He also sucked on Sundays.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-19-2015 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11741420)
It's the truth.

A bunch of punch - drunk mama's boys want to convince themselves that Reid is a decent coach, but no decent makes those decisions repeatedly, 15 or 16 years in.

Either Reid sucks or he throws games on purpose.

Pick one.

But he's not a good coach. I don't care what he does during the week. Matt Cassel was great during the week too. He also sucked on Sundays.

Oh come on, we're just overreacting as usual/CP know-it-all dumbasses.

rabblerouser 09-19-2015 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams (Post 11741433)
Oh come on, we're just overreacting as usual/CP know-it-all dumbasses.

ROFL

ThaVirus 09-19-2015 10:27 AM

I wonder how this loss affects his behavior later on in the season.

We can probably expect him to go conservative in a time when we absolutely can't afford it..

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-19-2015 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11741474)
I wonder how this loss affects his behavior later on in the season.

We can probably expect him to go conservative in a time when we absolutely can't afford it..

Andy Reid and Bob Sutton win games by EXACTLY two factors:

1) Not tripping over their own dicks.

2) Sheer...****ing...LUCK.

notorious 09-19-2015 11:36 AM

Emotion has subsided, and reality has started taking over.

There is no reason that we should have been in the game with the way our players turned the ball over.

None.

The coaches helped keep us in the game even though there were some morbidly reeruned decisions made in the game.

Chiefnj2 09-19-2015 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 11741592)
Emotion has subsided, and reality has started taking over.

There is no reason that we should have been in the game with the way our players turned the ball over.

None.

The coaches helped keep us in the game even though there were some morbidly reeruned decisions made in the game.

The first turnover is on Reid. But for his idiotic play calls on first and second down (moving the ball backwards) Charles isn't in a position to fumble. The first pick was also a prdictable Reid play call.

notorious 09-19-2015 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 11741624)
The first turnover is on Reid. But for his idiotic play calls on first and second down (moving the ball backwards) Charles isn't in a position to fumble. The first pick was also a prdictable Reid play call.

Players have to execute.

Charles and Smith need 100% ownership of their turnovers even if they occurred during shit play calls.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-19-2015 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 11741635)
Players have to execute.

Charles and Smith need 100% ownership of their turnovers even if they occurred during shit play calls.

Absolutely spot on. These are professionals for ****s sake.

kcxiv 09-19-2015 12:36 PM

All i know is the Chiefs keep finding new ways to shit all over their fans. Its like a mentally abusive relationship. Nothing but mind****s. lol

Reerun_KC 09-19-2015 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 11741635)
Players have to execute.

Charles and Smith need 100% ownership of their turnovers even if they occurred during shit play calls.

And Reid need 110% ownership of his embarrassing ****ups with the play calling and situational awareness.

notorious 09-19-2015 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 11741670)
And Reid need 110% ownership of his embarrassing ****ups with the play calling and situational awareness.

Damn straight.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-19-2015 01:12 PM

There will be PLENTY more Reid-emotion for you to draw from in 2015, I assure you.

Mr. Laz 09-19-2015 04:58 PM

another thing

Andy Reid designed a game plan against Denver's defense that was a lateral,finesse passing game against a undersized,fast defense. That is exactly what Denver wants you to do ... let them use their speed to run laterally and make plays.

stupid,stupid,stupid

we should have gone multiple tightends and pounded the rock with Charles,Davis and West and then go play-action pass to Kelce and Maclin. Wear the defense out and roll them in the 4th quarter. Heck, line Fisher up as a tightend to add more size.

Andy Reid had no clue or was just too stubborn to do it.

KCCHIEFS27 09-19-2015 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11739073)
Seriously.

This guy is terrible at game management...which is really the #1 job of a head coach, above and beyond all the other things some coaches do and others don't, they ALL have one thing in common : game management.

People make the excuse, "well, that's who he is. He was like that in Philly. Good Andy/Bad Andy."

Well, I know if any one of us ****'s up constantly, and don't learn and don't change the stupid tendecies, then we don't have a job anymore.

His failure to adapt his "strategy" to something more than a 9 year old's Madden technique is more than maddening - it's flat out ****ing unacceptable.

If I was Clark Hunt, and I watched that embarrassing shitshow that went out over national TV last night, Reid's ass is in my office 1st thing this morning and I might fire him. Seriously. That was horrific.

I find it unfathomable that a coach of some 20+ years NFL experience (16 or 17 as HC) is so blitheringly ignorant of basic situational football.
1st qtr, 1st and goal from the 2. RUN THE BALL 4 STRAIGHT TIMES IF YOU HAVE TO. The all time leader in NFL rushing average is in the backfield...or is Reid thinking about Burnt ends??

1st and goal with 90 sec at the end of the half - you lead 14-7, their offense just got some momentum, so...END THE HALF with 3 kneel downs and go in the locker room leading by 7. 14, because it's 21-7 if you run with Jamal at goal to go on the 1st series.

Take the guy getting toasted out of the game - Jemel Phlegming SUCKS. maybe Reid started Sanders and Manning in his fantasy team??


After Knile Davis goes UNTOUCHED for an 8 yd TD scamper in the 4th, you keep feeding those fresh legs the ball, and never relinquish the lead.

****, that sequence at the end of the 1st half was ABYSMAL. Reid and his staff should be FIRED for gross incompetence. Before that mini-shitshow, Denver didn't even think they could play football anymore, and 5head looked like he was ready to lay down and die.

This is ALL on the coaching staff. They threw this game.*

Andy Reid should be held accountable.

Instead...he gets a paycheck and a mixed plate.

How is this guy a head coach??

DAMN NEAR ANYONE ON CP COULD HAVE CALLED A BETTER GAME THAN ANDY FAT SHITSHOW REID LAST NIGHT...

He wins most of the games he should, based on talent alone...

How does he keep jobs?? How is Clark not roasting his ass right ****ing now!!!???

What will it take, blowing a 50 point lead in the playoffs???

(Don't know if it was intentional or just a byproduct of Reid's now-obvious incompetence...but make no mistake - this game was ours and Reid GAVE IT AWAY. INEXCUSABLE.)

But why should Reid care??

He's gonna be eating KC BBQ for the next 5-6 years.

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z...pstdezq0bj.jpg

How many people can do your job?

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-19-2015 05:02 PM

Ass in the seats, above .500, $$$$, smell that Q.

rabblerouser 09-19-2015 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11742078)
another thing

Andy Reid designed a game plan against Denver's defense that was a lateral,finesse passing game against a undersized,fast defense. That is exactly what Denver wants you to do ... let them use their speed to run laterally and make plays.

stupid,stupid,stupid

we should have gone multiple tightends and pounded the rock with Charles,Davis and West and then go play-action pass to Kelce and Maclin. Wear the defense out and roll them in the 4th quarter. Heck, line Fisher up as a tightend to add more size.

Andy Reid had no clue or was just too stubborn to do it.

EXACTLY

rabblerouser 09-19-2015 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KCCHIEFS27 (Post 11742081)
How many people can do your job?

Since I write my own songs, book my own gigs, named the band, own the LLC, the PA, AND the majority of the gear??

No one can do that for this particular enterprise but me.

Without me, the company ceases to exist.

So...1.

rabblerouser 09-19-2015 09:32 PM

*by [http:// http://profootballtalk.nbcsp...-lot-of-games/
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael David Smith (Post 11739740)
Michael David Smith on January 4, 2013, 8:16 AM EDT

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Jeremiah Trotter played a total of seven seasons for Andy Reid in three different stints with the Eagles. And he thinks he lost a lot of games because Reid got out-coached.

“If it came down to both teams were even, talent-wise,*I think the opponent’s team would win if it came down to coaching,” Trotter said on 97.5 The Fanatic, via Philly.com. “Andy Reid got out-coached in a lot of games, man, a lot of big games,” Trotter continued. “Time outs, running the football, you know.”

Trotter said Reid’s offensive style made things different for the defense and the late defensive coordinator Jim Johnson, who ran the defense in Philadelphia until his death in 2008.

“As a defense, we understood we passed the ball too much. You know, there’s times we’re sitting over there like, ‘Man, listen. Just get us a couple of first downs so we can get a break.’ And I’m sure it frustrated Jim Johnson also,” Trotter said

Still, Trotter acknowledges that he won a lot of games during his time with Reid, and he says he would have given Reid a 7.5 or 8 on a scale of 1-10. I shudder to think what he’d say about a coach who was a 1.


Brock 09-19-2015 09:47 PM

a brief history of bed-shitting:

Super Bowl XXXIX

Reid’s Eagles found themselves down 10 with just under six minutes remaining to the New England Patriots. And yet the offense chugged along with all the urgency of a three-toed sloth. Reid already had burned a golden timeout after a clock stoppage (!) late in the third quarter, so he had two left.

Passes from Donovan McNabb netting 4, 4, 5 and 2 yards took a full two minutes off the clock. It was at this point at Alltell Stadium that I turned to the man sitting next to me (former NFL quarterback and current ESPN college football analyst Jesse Palmer) and in stereo we both said: “What is Andy doing?”

The Eagles chugged down the field, saving their two timeouts for defense, and took the clock under two minutes before scoring a touchdown on the one deep pass of the drive, despite the Patriots being down their starting corner and safety with injuries. The ensuing onsides kick was recovered by the Patriots, who went on to win.

Asked about the drive in question years later, Bill Belichick famously told NFL Network that he and his assistants were looking at each other saying, “We’re up 10 right? We’re not missing something here?” Even he couldn’t hold back from calling out Reid’s mismanagement.

The “I goofed” game

In McNabb’s return-to-Philadelphia game after being traded to the Washington Redskins, the Eagles seemed to lack urgency and energy early on as the inferior Redskins took a 14-0 lead in the first 10 minutes. But the Eagles rallied and had a chance to cut the lead in half before going into the locker room.

With 1:45 remaining, the Eagles had a first-and-goal from the 4-yard line. Somehow, miraculously, they found themselves challenged for time and unable to score, undone by an unseemly delay-of-game call where Reid looked like he had just been told about the play clock and its tendency to click down after the ball is spotted.


The Eagles settled for a field goal but never recovered and lost 17-12. Had they scored a touchdown there … who knows? But McNabb was terrible, Reid knew it, his defense played well that day (despite dropping two would-be picks) and they still couldn’t win.

Reid, as if setting up a future career as a Propecia pitch man, offered up this postgame explanation: “I goofed.”

That game was the beginning of the end of Reid in Philadelphia, if you trace it back. Three weeks earlier, the Eagles lost to the Packers, 27-20, as Reid nuked his three second-half timeouts down seven with 5:25, 5:17 and 5:11 left to play.

“I wanted the points”

More madness from the 2010 season: The Eagles, favored against the Chicago Bears, outscored the Bears 13-0 in the fourth quarter and lost. That’s because two of those field goals should have been reconsidered.

Down two scores twice, Reid opted to kick field goals … and remain down two scores. The second one was far more egregious. The Eagles faced a fourth and goal from the Chicago 18, with two timeouts. Though the distance to the end zone was daunting, Reid had to go for it. Instead, he opted for the field goal, cutting a 15-point lead to 12 with 4:53 left.

What did that do? The Eagles still needed to score twice to win. The field goal was completely useless.

“I wanted the points there,” Reid said. “It came down to one possession. When you’re down in the red zone, you have to score. That’s what it comes down to, and we have a short period of time to get it right.”
The Bears almost bailed the Eagles out by their own mismanagement, running off only 21 seconds on their next possession, but even with an Eagles TD drive after that, they ran out of time.

The following season, Reid’s Eagles faced a similar spot, down 20-13 with 4:53 left against the Dallas Cowboys, and he once more opted for the field goal. Only one problem: Reid had burned two timeouts needlessly on bad second-half challenges — another Achilles heel of his — and was unable to stop the Cowboys on seven straight clock-milking plays. Game over.

Notice a trend?

Twice with the Chiefs

In Reid’s first season in Kansas City, the plucky Chiefs rebounded from a 2-14 season to make the playoffs — a masterful turnaround. But the Chiefs could have gone 12-4 and made a stronger run at the Broncos for the division crown had Reid not helped cough up a win at home against the San Diego Chargers.

The Chiefs had first and 10 from the San Diego 16-yard line, and the Chargers already had burned one timeout. Reid felt bad and used one of his own with 1:28 left. Why? Who on earth knows? His explanation:

“No,” Reid said, “I was just calming the storm there and making sure that — we needed a touchdown at that point — make sure that we had the right things in and we were ready to go.”
They had the right things in and scored on the next play, taking a 38-34 lead, but handing the ball back to Philip Rivers, who drove down the field — those two timeouts came in quite handy! — and scored in 46 tidy seconds, which ultimately would be the game-winner.

Sigh.

Then last season, in perhaps the Chiefs’ finest hour, crushing the New England Patriots 41-14 in Week 4, Reid’s first-half blunder was covered up by his own team’s pure dominance in the rout.

Up 14-0 with a chance to step on the Patriots’ necks at the end of the first half. On second and 10 from the New England 10 with 31 seconds left, Alex Smith hit Travis Kelce for a 5-yard gain to the 9. Inexplicably, Reid let more than 15 seconds run off before calling the Chiefs’ final timeout, putting them in a tricky spot.

On third and 5 with eight seconds left, Smith hit Dwayne Bowe — inbounds — for an 8-yard gain that would have run the clock out had the Patriots not bailed them out with a penalty.


The end-of-half field goal ended up saving face, and not mattering at all in a 27-point blowout, but what if the eventual champions rallied early in the second half? Reid once more would have been ripped for letting a game slip away.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...141506143.html

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-19-2015 09:50 PM

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze.....

Pepe Silvia 09-19-2015 09:54 PM

I'm surprised that Reid wasn't prison shanked when he was in Philly.

NJChiefsFan 09-19-2015 09:54 PM

He always comes out with a defense of his decisions. Who knows what he really thinks but the denial of his faults honestly pisses me off more than the fault. At this point he should have hired someone to slap him on the head and change his mind.

NJChiefsFan 09-19-2015 09:56 PM

Out of curiosity did anyone in the media call him out Thursday or the papers Friday? Or just typical vanilla kc sports journalism?

rabblerouser 09-19-2015 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 11742813)
Out of curiosity did anyone in the media call him out Thursday or the papers Friday? Or just typical vanilla kc sports journalism?

It was the typical vanilla bullshit.

The only time KC's media had any real edge was when Babb went public with Haley's story about Pioli and the wiretaps.

jimidollar 09-19-2015 10:48 PM

**** Reid and the people who cover for him.

DaneMcCloud 09-19-2015 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimidollar (Post 11742944)
**** Reid and the people who cover for him.

**** you and your massive dipshiterry trolling

jimidollar 09-19-2015 10:56 PM

Lol!

rabblerouser 09-20-2015 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimidollar (Post 11742944)
**** Reid and the people who cover for him.

A bunch of überfanbois who tell everyone who'll listen that Reid doesn't suck so they can feel optimistic...

Pathetic that grown men lie to themselves and don't even believe what is right in front of their faces.

rabblerouser 09-20-2015 12:28 AM

Reid w/Johnson :

Reg season :
97-62-1
Playoffs :
10-7

Reid w/o Johnson :
Reg season :
53-44
Playoffs :
0-3

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-20-2015 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11743068)
A bunch of überfanbois who tell everyone who'll listen that Reid doesn't suck so they can feel optimistic...

Pathetic that grown men lie to themselves and don't even believe what is right in front of their faces.

It's like, please....just ****ing stop already. Sometimes, it just is what it is.

Andy and Alex are perfect microcosms of each other. For success, everything must be ideal. Guess what, dipshits? You're NOT getting that in this league.

The Grand Hunt Prophecy remains as true today as it was when it came to revelation many moons ago:

"7/9, feeleth fine, ass in seat, roasteth meat".

( your Sunday version )

chiefzilla1501 09-20-2015 06:59 AM

I wish people would stop talking in hyperbole. Andy Reid is not a terrible head coach. Neither was Haley or Herm. Romeo was a truly terrible head coach. Reid is a much better version of Herm. Can build an excellent team. Herm gives an outside shot at a playoff win while Reid gives you a good shot. But Herm won't win you a Super Bowl and Reid is a big long shot because they can't manage games.

notorious 09-20-2015 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 11743163)
I wish people would stop talking in hyperbole. Andy Reid is not a terrible head coach. Neither was Haley or Herm. Romeo was a truly terrible head coach. Reid is a much better version of Herm. Can build an excellent team. Herm gives an outside shot at a playoff win while Reid gives you a good shot. But Herm won't win you a Super Bowl and Reid is a big long shot because they can't manage games.

Perfection.

rabblerouser 09-20-2015 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 11743163)
I wish people would stop talking in hyperbole. Andy Reid is not a terrible head coach. Neither was Haley or Herm. Romeo was a truly terrible head coach. Reid is a much better version of Herm. Can build an excellent team. Herm gives an outside shot at a playoff win while Reid gives you a good shot. But Herm won't win you a Super Bowl and Reid is a big long shot because they can't manage games.

A coach who can't manage a game is ultimately ****ing worthless.

Reerun_KC 09-20-2015 08:24 PM

Wow.

rabblerouser 09-20-2015 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 11745166)
Wow.

Well??

We have one of the deepest rosters in the NFL, a defense that has the ability to be dominant, and an offense that could be efficient, if not explosive...if the head coach would utilize his best player correctly and learn how to manage a ****ing game

Reerun_KC 09-20-2015 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 11742790)
a brief history of bed-shitting:

Super Bowl XXXIX

Reid’s Eagles found themselves down 10 with just under six minutes remaining to the New England Patriots. And yet the offense chugged along with all the urgency of a three-toed sloth. Reid already had burned a golden timeout after a clock stoppage (!) late in the third quarter, so he had two left.

Passes from Donovan McNabb netting 4, 4, 5 and 2 yards took a full two minutes off the clock. It was at this point at Alltell Stadium that I turned to the man sitting next to me (former NFL quarterback and current ESPN college football analyst Jesse Palmer) and in stereo we both said: “What is Andy doing?”

The Eagles chugged down the field, saving their two timeouts for defense, and took the clock under two minutes before scoring a touchdown on the one deep pass of the drive, despite the Patriots being down their starting corner and safety with injuries. The ensuing onsides kick was recovered by the Patriots, who went on to win.

Asked about the drive in question years later, Bill Belichick famously told NFL Network that he and his assistants were looking at each other saying, “We’re up 10 right? We’re not missing something here?” Even he couldn’t hold back from calling out Reid’s mismanagement.

The “I goofed” game

In McNabb’s return-to-Philadelphia game after being traded to the Washington Redskins, the Eagles seemed to lack urgency and energy early on as the inferior Redskins took a 14-0 lead in the first 10 minutes. But the Eagles rallied and had a chance to cut the lead in half before going into the locker room.

With 1:45 remaining, the Eagles had a first-and-goal from the 4-yard line. Somehow, miraculously, they found themselves challenged for time and unable to score, undone by an unseemly delay-of-game call where Reid looked like he had just been told about the play clock and its tendency to click down after the ball is spotted.


The Eagles settled for a field goal but never recovered and lost 17-12. Had they scored a touchdown there … who knows? But McNabb was terrible, Reid knew it, his defense played well that day (despite dropping two would-be picks) and they still couldn’t win.

Reid, as if setting up a future career as a Propecia pitch man, offered up this postgame explanation: “I goofed.”

That game was the beginning of the end of Reid in Philadelphia, if you trace it back. Three weeks earlier, the Eagles lost to the Packers, 27-20, as Reid nuked his three second-half timeouts down seven with 5:25, 5:17 and 5:11 left to play.

“I wanted the points”

More madness from the 2010 season: The Eagles, favored against the Chicago Bears, outscored the Bears 13-0 in the fourth quarter and lost. That’s because two of those field goals should have been reconsidered.

Down two scores twice, Reid opted to kick field goals … and remain down two scores. The second one was far more egregious. The Eagles faced a fourth and goal from the Chicago 18, with two timeouts. Though the distance to the end zone was daunting, Reid had to go for it. Instead, he opted for the field goal, cutting a 15-point lead to 12 with 4:53 left.

What did that do? The Eagles still needed to score twice to win. The field goal was completely useless.

“I wanted the points there,” Reid said. “It came down to one possession. When you’re down in the red zone, you have to score. That’s what it comes down to, and we have a short period of time to get it right.”
The Bears almost bailed the Eagles out by their own mismanagement, running off only 21 seconds on their next possession, but even with an Eagles TD drive after that, they ran out of time.

The following season, Reid’s Eagles faced a similar spot, down 20-13 with 4:53 left against the Dallas Cowboys, and he once more opted for the field goal. Only one problem: Reid had burned two timeouts needlessly on bad second-half challenges — another Achilles heel of his — and was unable to stop the Cowboys on seven straight clock-milking plays. Game over.

Notice a trend?

Twice with the Chiefs

In Reid’s first season in Kansas City, the plucky Chiefs rebounded from a 2-14 season to make the playoffs — a masterful turnaround. But the Chiefs could have gone 12-4 and made a stronger run at the Broncos for the division crown had Reid not helped cough up a win at home against the San Diego Chargers.

The Chiefs had first and 10 from the San Diego 16-yard line, and the Chargers already had burned one timeout. Reid felt bad and used one of his own with 1:28 left. Why? Who on earth knows? His explanation:

“No,” Reid said, “I was just calming the storm there and making sure that — we needed a touchdown at that point — make sure that we had the right things in and we were ready to go.”
They had the right things in and scored on the next play, taking a 38-34 lead, but handing the ball back to Philip Rivers, who drove down the field — those two timeouts came in quite handy! — and scored in 46 tidy seconds, which ultimately would be the game-winner.

Sigh.

Then last season, in perhaps the Chiefs’ finest hour, crushing the New England Patriots 41-14 in Week 4, Reid’s first-half blunder was covered up by his own team’s pure dominance in the rout.

Up 14-0 with a chance to step on the Patriots’ necks at the end of the first half. On second and 10 from the New England 10 with 31 seconds left, Alex Smith hit Travis Kelce for a 5-yard gain to the 9. Inexplicably, Reid let more than 15 seconds run off before calling the Chiefs’ final timeout, putting them in a tricky spot.

On third and 5 with eight seconds left, Smith hit Dwayne Bowe — inbounds — for an 8-yard gain that would have run the clock out had the Patriots not bailed them out with a penalty.


The end-of-half field goal ended up saving face, and not mattering at all in a 27-point blowout, but what if the eventual champions rallied early in the second half? Reid once more would have been ripped for letting a game slip away.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...141506143.html

Wow. Great read. Thanks.

crazycoffey 09-20-2015 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nychief (Post 11739115)
Jamaal lost the game.

And Alex's INT, and a couple dropped INTs by our D, and Reid's knucklehead play calls, at least a couple times. (Though I like he wants to surprise the opposition by doing something different, there are times to line up and say, "we're running, try to stop us"). 5 turnover is always bad in the NFL. No ifs, ands, or butts.



Damn autocorrect, that's supposed to be, "no smiths, Andys, or drops".


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