Aleons.

Old earth, days of Noah stuff... a blend of spirituality and real effects on our natural world beyond what man is capable of understanding.

Skinwalker Ranch is the personification of what I believe has happened with the US's entire study of the UFO phenomenon. The federal government can honestly say they don't have any interest in or knowledge of UFOs....because they've licensed it all off to private contractors. That's their answer to FOIA filings. Plausable deniability. And for anybody who says you can't keep something that big secret (let's ignore the fact that there's shit from world war II that's still classified that literally nobody has talked about...) that's exactly how you do it, by keeping it compartmentalized and making sure that only the people at the very top - and who have need to know (which I don't believe has included a president in perhaps decades) - know anything.

Last I heard all the UFO reports get tunneled to Bigelow Aerospace if anybody contacts the FAA now, and he has control of all of MUFON's files.

Keg, my n****... you're ON it, you're paying attention God bless ya.

But I believe they're only now farming it out to exclusive people like Bigelow because they already have all they need/want of it.

If they do have everything they want/need out of it, then I believe that's because they finally threw their hands up. Because they still don't have any more control over or understanding of the phenomenon now than they did 70 years ago. And that's also why I think we'll never see a formal disclosure, because it would be...uncomfortable for the government to admit that there are things going on (both on the ground and in the air) that they can neither influence nor explain.

It'd be mass hysteria...

Speaking of things classified from world war 2, I found this story to be absolutely fascinating: http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...cle1500621.ece

(A massive underground Nazi complex in Austria that nobody knew a ****ing thing about that probably was central to their nuclear program - rediscovered a month ago)

You can't read the whole story there, but it's spread all over the net, you can just google austrian bunker world war two nuclear and get all kinds of links.

I will never believe that our power mongers will ever feel that "enough is enough"... the more they know, the better off they are IMO.

They havent thrown up their hands, they are actively communicating with whatever it is... Schneiders testimony? its a take it or leave thing yet I'm in between, yet the timing of his death was odd. Has anyone come forward to explain away those missing fingers and giant scar on his chest? Either way, I dont care if he was FOS or not, what I've seen in my life leaves every possibility open.

Does America have some kind of detente with whatever they are? If so, I pray because thats all I can do.

Hitler once proclaimed to a confidante "the New Man is here, I have seen him, he is intrepid and cruel."... some readings of this I have seen say that Hitler describes them in blue suits, very tall, blonde and Germanic looking.

Thats exactly how sooo many abduction victims describe the "Nordics"... tall, blonde hair, blue suits.

You're the one that said they have everything they need and want. I was just trying to fit your comment into my framework...

I think they're still actively involved in the study, just doing it through private contractors as I described. I don't think they understand what's happening, I don't think they understand how very much of the technology they may have discovered or recovered works, and I don't think they're in communication with anyone (or anything).

If they are in communication and they do know a whole lot more, then we're probably talking a breakaway civilization scenario, where there's a whole secret and suppressed society being built around technology that's being hidden from humanity at large. Sort of along the lines of what Gary McKinnon says he found with the transfer list of personnel involved in Solar Warden (aka the secret space fleet).

For me, I kind of have to choose a point between stuff I can believe and stuff I can't. I'm not the kind of person who can just believe everything. And with the really far out stuff, unless there's overwhelming evidence, whether it's Schneider or Lear or McKinnon or Randy Cramer talking about serving on Mars for years, that's the kind of stuff that's a bit across the line for me. There's just not enough evidence there.

They're all good stories, but that's about as far as I go.

I totally get it, there is only so much one can believe or atleast try to wrap ones head around at a given time.

Nonetheless, I am really pleased with the conversation that took place here tonight... you, me, Jerm and anyone else that stuck their neck out tonight is kind of a hero of mine.

Simply being willing to discuss these things without poop jokes being thrown in is a milestone afaic.

If you are not a Bigfoot believer you need to check out the episode of Survivorman in which Les spends some time exploring it. He essentially goes in a skeptic but comes out a believer. His perspective on what he sees and can't describe with natural explanations and why natural explanations aren't valid is really interesting.

Thats where he takes the local guy with him, right?

The guy that claimed to be attacked at night in his camp? Yes, cool episode, one of Les' best... I wont proclaim that guests video to be true, but he did sound genuinely scared in that night clip.

All night, I've been imagining all the guys looking at this thread and laughing out loud... and all I really wanna do is laugh out loud back at them.

I heard somewhere that was some kind of falling out between Les and Todd Standing a few months ago, but I haven't taken the time to look into it.

I've always been a bit skeptical of Standing's videos to be honest. I didn't see Stroud's Bigfoot shows, but I plan to. I've been a sort-of-fan of Survivorman for a while.

Speaking of crypto stuff, if anybody is interested in that kind of stuff, I've always liked Cryptomundo, although I don't follow it religiously.

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I don't know about the expert's claims or video prior to this two part episode, but in these episodes Les heard calls he can't identify (in response to his bigfoot calls) and sees "shelters" and tree placements that are not natural and he explains why along with what it would take (strength, height, etc.) to create what he sees.

A lot of so called experts try to discredit certain prices of evidence they see or hear about but when Les acknowledges something isn't quite right and things are strange and unnatural, I listen. I can't seem to find the episodes online.

Love me some crypto shit.

Skinwalker Ranch is apparently a movie which there is no ****ing way I can watch now.

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Not really related to bigfoot, but I've also become interested in David Paulides' Missing 411 stuff, if anybody's familiar with that.

And if you want something really out in left field, I mentioned this guy earlier: Randy Cramer, aka 'Captain Kaye', tells a tale about serving in the Earth Defense Force on Mars. Just crazy stuff... Like really, really out there. The interview (which I chose at random, haven't listed to it, but I'm familiar with his story...) starts 20 or 21 minutes in:

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You guys should include a brief explanation or maybe a Wiki link of what you mention.

Would help out a lot..

My only story that was.....strange happened to me when I was 17.


I grew up on a farm in SW Kansas in the middle of nowhere. While I was mowing the gigantic farm I happened to look straight up and there was a black helicopter hovering about 50 feet above me.


I watched it for a few seconds and it climbed up and left the area to the west.


Weird shit that freaked me out a little.

What specifically were you looking for?

I've never experienced anything. Not UFO's, not ghosts, not anything in the woods, not anything I can think of. I'm not sure what ever sparked my interest in all this. I often walk late in the evening hoping I'll see something strange in the sky but no luck.

(Which may not be a bad thing, the last thing I really want to do is draw the attention of some inexplicable light in the sky...)

You will enjoy watching paint dry more than watching that piece of shit movie, please believe me... find the book, skip that bullshit movie.

Would you settle for the NSA?

Oh why not, they already have every email, text, phone call and porn link I've ever been a part of. More information than the grays will get from any anal probe.

You're a curious sort... if you see a subject that interests you, just start googling... you'll find a lot of bullshit, and you'll also find what you're looking for.

Dont count on this place to give you in depth material... go exploring.

Shit, so many things mentioned in this thread. Basically anything that might not be known to someone that doesn't spend a lot of their time researching this kind of thing..

Like, I don't need an explanation for Atlantis, Illiminati, JFK assassinations and shit like that; as I'm sure most wouldn't. Just the more obscure, lesser known things would be nice to be accompanied by a brief bit of information.

Just saying.

This thread has encompassed a large variety of mysteries, some of which I'm not interested in. It would probably take me hours to Google everything that's been mentioned in this thread to date.

I think most of the stuff has had some explanation, that's why I was asking. There's a lot of links and embeds, but the conversation jumps around a lot so it can be a lot of stuff to keep track of...

I spend about 98% of my time on the Internet on my phone. As any of you that are similar may know, research is a bit harder to do that way.

If you guys don't want to include a briefing on what you're talking about then don't. It was just a suggestion.

It's not a problem, I was just asking if there was anything specific you wanted to hear more about...

I usually try to explain stuff as I go along, but sometimes I get caught up in a discussion or am busy elsewhere so I'm not able to. If you want to know about something, just ask. If there's anything I'm good at it's long, rambling messages that explain stuff in way more detail than anyone wants. :)

Have you experienced sleep paralysis?


JFC, I have a few times in my life, and it's terrifying. Once, when I was 15-16, I swore there was an alien in my bedroom staring at me for what was hours. I wouldn't (couldn't) move, I could only stare.


I finally convinced my body to attack it, only to discover that it was just an object in my room that appeared to be an alien.

Scared the shit out of me.

No sleep paralysis, fortunately. Although maybe that's because of the sleep apnea and getting up about 300 times a night to pee. Speaking of sleep, I hardly have dreams. Although when I do they can be astonishingly vivid. At least it's astonishing to me. Maybe it's normal for everyone else.

Sleep paralysis is the worst. Nothing like starting your day with 5-10 minutes of actively willing yourself to move juuuuust a finger, or your wrist, . . . good Lord!! Is a toe twitch too much to ask?!?!?

I'd need to know what episodes you're referring to to answer that. I only discovered that show a few months ago and haven't gone back very far. Also haven't watched the most recent one (maybe more than one).

(PR is a little trickier for me since it's video, I usually spend most of my time offline, and listen to podcasts on an mp3 player, so I tend not to watch it for a while and then catch up in batches...)

About a month ago, I woke to my wife yelling our daughters name. I got pissed and glanced in the hallway to see a shadow of my daughter standing completely still, looking into our bedroom.


I said loudly "Sweetie, wake up!". She didn't budge. I turned the light on and POOF, she was gone. I went to her room to find her fast asleep.


I can explain it, but it's still spooky. My son's book bag was hanging across the hall, along with a vacuum, which in the dark looks like long hair and a standing human form. When my wife said her name, it told my subconscious to expect to see my daughter, so that's what I saw.

Freaky what the mind can manifest.

There is a GREAT book (grounded in reality) that explains that most people who think they've been visited by something out of the paranormal are really just experiencing sleep paralysis.

http://www.amazon.com/People-Believe.../dp/0805070893

They actually document an experiment in which they sleep deprive a man while he's on a road trip and he becomes delusional and is convinced he's been abducted. It's fascinating.

I am a lucid dreamer with an active mind, so sleep paralysis is usually a living nightmare for me.


When it happens, it's almost always paranormal-like. That's why I think that a lot of people think they see something when it's really their minds manifesting things in a half-asleep state.

I am living proof, but I can see why someone would believe what they see if they aren't educated and scientifically grounded.

Those last few comments (I'm not being critical when I say this...) are why I'm such a big fan of physical or other types of evidence of events. Stories of lights in the sky, or abduction experiences, or ghosts, or bigfoot, or even stuff with multiple witnesses or caught on camera with today's technology is interesting but at the same time so easy to write-off as being something else, or nothing at all. Whereas when, let's say, a pilot says he sees something and it's confirmed by radar, something tangible that you can actually produce, that's another story...

Absolutely.

May be some interesting stuff in the near future (knock on wood) with multiple-camera and -sensor setups in areas known to have frequent high strangeness events, like the San Luis Valley.

That's one of my favorite areas.


We drive by it on our way to Pagosa every year. Blanca is MASSIVE compared to the surrounding terrain, and the dunes are awesome.


They have cattle crossing signs every once in a while, and some prankster started putting flying saucer stickers that shows them "beaming" the cow up! ROFL

Similar to this, only on a real highway sign!

http://whofortedblog.com/wp-content/...7/beamedup.jpg

Heh. Reminds me of Nevada and the Extraterrestrial Highway. Although I guess that's official.

I am sure most people here are aware but just for anyone reading sleep paralysis is pretty well studied and occurs when the REM cycle of sleep overlaps with being awake or in a light sleep. Since REM is when dreams occur for the most part you are already in a very imaginative state so separating fiction from reality us very difficult.

Additionally, REM sleep is the part of the sleep cycle when your heart rate increases, blood pressure rises, and you are breathing heavy. Combine this with the fact that you were just dreaming and are awakening in state of panic (physiologically), almost anything feels threatening, especially when you are aware that you are unable to move.

Forget what I said. I'll figure it out.

It sucks.


Take apprehension, stress, fear, anxiety, and mix it with your imagination and the inability to move.

Sleep paralysis mixes reality with hallucinations. Scary stuff if you ever get stuck in it like I have.

The best is coupling it with 'limb death' when you sleep positionally cutting off blood flow to an arm or leg. So even when you overcome sleep paralysis, you have a limb with no motor response to deal with until blood flow is resumed.

I have experienced limb death a time or two in my arms. That's never fun.

I mentioned sleep apnea. It hasn't happened for a while, not sure if the improvement's connected with improved diet or exercise or nothing at all, but popping awake with the realization that you weren't breathing a moment before and feeling like you're about two seconds from asphyxia is freaking terrifying.

Jesus dude. This sounds terrifying.

I hate to make you talk about it but would you mind sharing any specifics of what you experienced?

The movie is ****ing terrible. Don't watch.

Not even for free. It's total $3it.

Do some googling and research what you can for free. That alone is 1,000 times more creepy than the 'sploitation film...

Thread Conspiracy - all Keg requests - all the time...

I definitely agree that sleep paralysis is the culprit in a great many of those cases, but some of these supposed abductions come with physical proof such as implants with highly irregular chemical makeups and other strange features.

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ThaVirus, if there is a subject in particular that interests you, tell me what it is and I'll try to find something on it for you.

Caught some Darkness reruns. Have to say I like Schraeder better there than on Coast to Coast, but I'd guess that's because there's enough episodes that I can sift through the shows and pick what I'm interested in.

:toast: Same to you man...cheers.

Always love talking about this...for one because I've always been fascinated/obsessed and because I really do believe this is where the real advancements in science where come from.

I'm more cynical. I think the real advancements in science and technology come primarily from war.

Well see I'm different than a lot lol...I believe a majority of the tecnologocial advancements we've seen have come from extraterrestrials.

I used to work with a guy at a jail that was retired Air Force and after I gained his trust, he kinda opened up to me a bit. He didn't say too much but I do remember him telling me that if we knew the technology the military and other govt entities possessed we'd be shocked.

Recently read Fingerprints of the Gods by Graham Hancock.

It makes a good case for a lost advanced civilization that was wiped out 12K or so years ago. Great read, I highly recommend for anyone following this thread. And he's coming out with a sequel this year.

That I believe. A lot of the technology we in the public see is based on developments from the 50s and 60s, so there's definitely stuff going on behind the scenes that would blow our minds. Can't wait so see some of it in 2025.

However, one valid question raised about advanced technology is that if the military has all this crazy stuff, then why don't they use it. Because we never see any evidence of it. The answer of course being they do, it just takes years after the fact for us to hear about it. And we mostly hear about the stuff that didn't work as well as they expected, like the non-lethal microwave stuff they tried to use in Iraq. ADS I think it was called.

We've definitely had directed energy weapons for decades, since the 80s. Don't think we're at the star trek phaser point yet, but it's probably not that far off. I'm sure our aircraft technology would blow our minds, as well. I do think it's entirely possible that some UFO sightings that look impossible technologically are actually us testing and/or using stuff that's next-next-gen. But even the stuff that works that we do hear about, like stealth tech during the first gulf war, is based on developments from years ago (that was all done in the 70s as I recall, based on research done much earlier than that...).

I just tend to think that we developed most of it ourselves. My guess is that anything we've recovered may give us some ideas, but is probably too advanced and too alien for us to understand or replicate. Sort of like if you handed a smart phone to a pygmy. They could probably figure out how to make it do some things, at least until the battery died, but assuming they didn't already know how to speak english, they wouldn't be able to understand anything they saw, or what the actual functions of the device are. And if they managed to get the cover off, they wouldn't have a clue what all the parts did (hell, most of us 'civilized' people wouldn't for that matter) and they certainly couldn't make their own cell phones. They just don't have the technology or industry for it.

So while the idea of reverse engineering extraterrestrial technology is romantic, I'd assume that's how it would go for us if we found any kind of advanced craft of extraterrestrial origin. It isn't like trying to reverse engineer captured German tech in the 40s or stolen Russian tech in the 80s. This is a completely different species from a completely different biosphere that's had completely unrelated evolution and uses a language that can't possibly have any analog on Earth.

There's only a few scenarios that I can think of where reverse engineering would work:

- they're not very far ahead of us technologically and everything they do is recognizable to us.
- they're far advanced but are for whatever reason working with us
- they're not extraterrestrial, or if they are, they're off-planet remnants of an earlier spacefaring Earth civilization that we have no historical record of, but their language(s) are recognizable if still foreign (perhaps even roots of ours).

But that's just throwing out ideas. Who the hell knows...

So I just took the time to type out all my UFO, ghost, and conspiracy stories. I forgot that I don't have cookies enabled, so I let the page expire and it all just disappeared when I submitted. Son of a bitch.

Podcasts featuring a couple of things we've mentioned but didn't go into.

Diatlov Pass: http://www.twincitiesnewstalk.com/me...dent-24928514/

Todd Sees (don't think we've mentioned this yet but it's a good story): http://www.twincitiesnewstalk.com/me...todd-24988391/

The paracast episode that introduced me to Skinwalker Ranch: http://www.theparacast.com/podcast/n...nner-and-chip/

Relatively recent paracast with George Knapp that delves a bit into all the stuff he's done, from lazar and area 51 to skinwalker ranch: http://www.theparacast.com/podcast/a...-george-knapp/

Earlier paracast with George Knapp that covers most of the same ground, but still good: http://www.theparacast.com/podcast/m...-george-knapp/

And just a personal interest of mine, paracast about co-host Chris O'Brien's mammoth book on his decades of cattle mutilation research, "Stalking the Herd": http://www.theparacast.com/podcast/n...david-perkins/

LMAO

That's what you get for trying to post from a private tab while you surf porn!

Not that I'd know anything about that. o:-)

That porn statement is PURE conspiracy!








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Just FYI, Corbell is going to be on Coast to Coast tomorrow night with George Knapp discussing Patient Seventeen.

The Todd Sees link is a good listen, thanks.

Anyone else listen to The Unexplained with Howard Hughes?

I like it...I saw David Paulides mentioned earlier, the episode of The Unexplained when he was on was very good.

That's on dark matter network isn't it? Never heard the show but I've heard ads for it.

Tim Binnall recently ended his latest season with Paulides: http://binnallofamerica.com/boaa103014.html

And Seriah Azkath had a two parter with him back in December on Where Did the Road Go?:

http://wheredidtheroadgo.com/show-ar...cember-15-2014

http://wheredidtheroadgo.com/show-ar...cember-20-2014

Don't know for sure?

I just subscribe to it on iTunes lol....

Nice reading about Dulce.

http://www.dldewey.com/columns/schnidrf.htm

http://coolinterestingstuff.com/secr...ew-mexico-base

http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/...dulce-new.html

I think the go-to guy on Dulce these days is Greg Valdez.

Gabe Valdez?

His son, Greg. Gabe passed away several years ago.

That's where my mom grew up.


What's going on in Pittsburg?

I once did a radio interview with this man -- Michael Levine, who was a CIA operative in SE Asia during the VW era and then was transferred to handle South American CIA drug war operations during the height of cocaine trafficking. Very interesting man with a very interesting couple of books he's written;

http://michaellevinebooks.com

Yeah, the Dulce base is fascinating to read about and I dont discount anything I read about the place out of hand... as I've said before, I believe just about anything is possible these days.

Area 51 is old news, they've moved most of the most secret parts of that operation to Dulce and the Dugway Proving Grounds in Utah to try and regain a little bit of privacy.

This site hasnt been updated for years because the owner Dave Rosenfeld was arrested and held for months, but at one time the Utah UFO Hunters were taking some KARAZY pics out of Dugway, as well as the Skinwalker Ranch among other places... massive laser blasts into the sky and all kinds of cool stuff.

Tons of great info AND pics here...

http://www.aliendave.com/

Pic of some sort of laser being fired at Dugway, but of course the video has been removed by youtube...

http://www.aliendave.com/Photos_Skyw...TTR_72204.html

Various shots of the Sherman/Skinwalker ranch after NIDS had taken over...

http://www.aliendave.com/UUFOH_TheRanch4.html

Thought I once saw Bigfoot, but it turned out to be Frazod's wife.

Not directly related but one of my favorite recent shows is Don Hopsicker on Steve Warner's show talking about the CIA's presence in Florida and the connections to Mohammad Atta as well as the drug trade (Barry Seal):

https://m.soundcloud.com/dark-weeken...-to-terrorland