Originally Posted by CupidStunt (Post 14221439)

The draft picks don't bother me so much -- I won't pretend to have watched a ton of Clark like apparently everyone here, and he's CLEARLY regarded in a tier closer to Mack than Ford -- but the money worries me when Jones, Hill and Mahomes are coming. We've just got so many big contracts.

Other than that, my main concern is ending up with yet another guy who doesn't live up to his contract. It's one thing manipulating the cap with guys who are actually worth $15-35m/year but another with a bunch of Houstons and Berrys.

BTW, people would've been happier about this 2 months ago just because the draft is 2 days away. Same for me. That excitement is gone now.

Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 14221436)

This x 1000.

We just added a 25 year old Uber stud and all people care about is “OMG VEACH SUCKS AT TRADES”.

Guess what: we still have two seconds in a good second round. The chances that 29 becomes a guy as half as good as Clark are slim to none, and we’re trying to win now, so....

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14221399)

Good grief, no he doesn't.

My lord.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14221448)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In reporting on the Frank Clark trade to KC over the weekend, I asked a lot of folks on whether he was THAT big an upgrade over Dee Ford.<br><br>The universal answer: Yes. Without question.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1120749101308612615?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14221438)

The worst part about this is have we really improved as a defense all that much? If we're doing a scheme transition, and if that causes confusion problems in the first year for many of the players, what's the point of moving heaven and earth to get a guy right now to fill a hole?

Why don't we ****ing draft somebody and let them develop while the other guys on defense make the transition?

For ****'s sake. The defense is going to suck. With or without Clark. It's still going to ****ing suck this year.

Clark is there... we suck. We draft some guys... we suck. The difference is in one situation we get the benefit of cheap players 3-4 years down the line in the initial stages of the Mahomes extension. In the other situation we're paying $20 million each year to one guy over the course of that time.

I'm pretty pissed. We eventually have to stop this revolving door of GMs, but at this point I really ****ing hate Veach. He's goddamn clueless.

Carl, Pioli, and even Dorsey to some extent at least were able to put up the veil of walking away from a deal. They weren't afraid of inaction, because inaction is the only goddamn bargaining chip a team often has. Veach has none of that. "Buy low, sell high" means nothing to this loser. For as vocal as he is about certain players, he clearly doesn't trust his own ability to navigate a draft board or trust his scouting when Plan A doesn't go the way he planned.

He's horrible. He might be the weakest GM we've had since before Carl.

Other GMs clearly have him pegged as the douche who will give you anything you want.

Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 14221442)

You are completely ignoring opportunity cost. We lost the ability to draft cheap talent at #29 that gives us a 5th year option. We lost an additional 2020 round pick that had value both this year for a trade up and next year as a pick. We lost cap flexibility. And lastly, we also most likely lost one of four players that need to be re-signed in the coming two years.

We lost more than we gained. It's a bad trade no matter what you guys want to make yourselves believe. If your plan is to run a franchise for one season it's wonderful, but long term it was stupid as **** and very short sighted.

Originally Posted by thabear04 (Post 14221461)

So it’s not a done deal if Clark and Chiefs can’t come to terms on a new deal.

Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 14221397)

Reason I don’t like this:

Seahawks have a great gm and coaching staff and they need pass rushers badly.

Why would they move on from this guy if he’s good? They have more info on him than we do.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14221438)

I'm pretty pissed. We eventually have to stop this revolving door of GMs, but at this point I really ****ing hate Veach. He's goddamn clueless

Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 14221451)

Overreaction Planet, gotta love it.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14221454)

I swear sometimes this fan base is allergic to good players.

I watched this place, all offseason, celebrate the signing of replacement level players.

Like i said, good players cost assets. That's just the way it is. Want a stud? You have to pay for it.

They got a stud. Fantastic.

And they still have two 2nd's and a 3rd to wheel and deal, move around if they need to to acquire someone to improve the back end.

I don't like giving up the 1st but w/e.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14221456)

It's not enough to live up to the $20m contract.

He now has to be better than if we traded up for a top 20 pick + the $20m we could have spent on other players.

That is one hell of an expectation.

Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 14221442)

You are completely ignoring opportunity cost. We lost the ability to draft cheap talent at #29 that gives us a 5th year option. We lost an additional 2020 round pick that had value both this year for a trade up and next year as a pick. We lost cap flexibility. And lastly, we also most likely lost one of four players that need to be resigned in the coming two years.

We lost more than we gained. It's a bad trade no matter what you guys want to make yourselves believe. If your plan is to run a franchise for one season it's wonderful, but long term it was stupid as **** and very short sighted.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14221463)

**** this trade

He would need to be a perennial all pro for us to get a ROI

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14221438)

The worst part about this is have we really improved as a defense all that much? If we're doing a scheme transition, and if that causes confusion problems in the first year for many of the players, what's the point of moving heaven and earth to get a guy right now to fill a hole?

Why don't we ****ing draft somebody and let them develop while the other guys on defense make the transition?

For ****'s sake. The defense is going to suck. With or without Clark. It's still going to ****ing suck this year.

Clark is there... we suck. We draft some guys... we suck. The difference is in one situation we get the benefit of cheap players 3-4 years down the line in the initial stages of the Mahomes extension. In the other situation we're paying $20 million each year to one guy over the course of that time.

I'm pretty pissed. We eventually have to stop this revolving door of GMs, but at this point I really ****ing hate Veach. He's goddamn clueless.

Carl, Pioli, and even Dorsey to some extent at least were able to put up the veil of walking away from a deal. They weren't afraid of inaction, because inaction is the only goddamn bargaining chip a team often has. Veach has none of that. "Buy low, sell high" means nothing to this loser. For as vocal as he is about certain players, he clearly doesn't trust his own ability to navigate a draft board or trust his scouting when Plan A doesn't go the way he planned.

He's horrible. He might be the weakest GM we've had since before Carl.

Other GMs clearly have him pegged as the douche who will give you anything you want.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14221452)

What DE was gonna be there at 29?

Also in case you missed it, the Chiefs have cap room they just got rid of Houston and Berry.

Also all of that shit doesn't matter cause in 2 years the cap will look vastly different after the lockout/strike.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14221423)

The issue is what we got for Ford, not what we spent for Clark.

I don't like the 1st round pick being gone either, but the Chiefs landed a premier player.

All of a sudden that Dline is a unit of strength, just like that.

We need playmakers and we don't have 2-3 years to wait for a rookie Edge rusher to grow up.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14221471)

Like: Clark is a lot better all-around player than Dee Ford and is younger.

Don’t like: turning Dee Ford and a first-round pick into Frank Clark and a better third-round pick. That price is a bit high.

Hate: Adding another domestic violence guy to the team. I know the Michigan stuff is in the past and he wasn’t charged and she hit him first and all of that, but that’s an awfully big risk to take on while the Tyreek Hill stuff is ongoing.

Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 14221436)

This x 1000.

We just added a 25 year old Uber stud and all people care about is “OMG VEACH SUCKS AT TRADES”.

Guess what: we still have two seconds in a good second round. The chances that 29 becomes a guy as half as good as Clark are slim to none, and we’re trying to win now, so....

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14221438)

The worst part about this is have we really improved as a defense all that much? If we're doing a scheme transition, and if that causes confusion problems in the first year for many of the players, what's the point of moving heaven and earth to get a guy right now to fill a hole?

Why don't we ****ing draft somebody and let them develop while the other guys on defense make the transition?

For ****'s sake. The defense is going to suck. With or without Clark. It's still going to ****ing suck this year.

Clark is there... we suck. We draft some guys... we suck. The difference is in one situation we get the benefit of cheap players 3-4 years down the line in the initial stages of the Mahomes extension. In the other situation we're paying $20 million each year to one guy over the course of that time.

I'm pretty pissed. We eventually have to stop this revolving door of GMs, but at this point I really ****ing hate Veach. He's goddamn clueless.

Carl, Pioli, and even Dorsey to some extent at least were able to put up the veil of walking away from a deal. They weren't afraid of inaction, because inaction is the only goddamn bargaining chip a team often has. Veach has none of that. "Buy low, sell high" means nothing to this loser. For as vocal as he is about certain players, he clearly doesn't trust his own ability to navigate a draft board or trust his scouting when Plan A doesn't go the way he planned.

He's horrible. He might be the weakest GM we've had since before Carl.

Other GMs clearly have him pegged as the douche who will give you anything you want.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14221462)

If the talent sucks does it matter that it's cheap?

Would you rather have Jaylon Ferguson than Clark cause he's cheaper? I mean honestly...

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14221481)

For what we gave up we could have easily used that to move into the top 20 maybe even top 15. And by doing that you add a high potential player and still have $20-25m to spend.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 14221466)

welll except for Veech being the main reason we have Mahomes under center. The best goddamn draft pick of all time.

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 14221484)

I have to face facts:

Our GM is a ****ing schlub who gets walked on and ****ed like a little bitch. And I can guarantee you his picks are going to ****ing suck too.

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 14221484)

I have to face facts:

Our GM is a ****ing schlub who gets walked on and ****ed like a little bitch. And I can guarantee you his picks are going to ****ing suck too.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 14221485)

The question is this.

Is Clark so much better than Ford, or did Veach get fleaced on both deals?

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14221479)

Some of you are just complete morons.

If nothing else, take solace in the fact that this should mean Hill is in the clear.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14221487)

I can't wait to watch everybody bitch about how much the defense sucks this year.

It was always going to suck, but the improvements we're going to make with Clark are negligible. It's a transition year. We've still got question marks all over this unit, and the players who in theory should be right with the program are still going to make mental errors.

It's a bad deal.

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14221499)

Isn't Frank Clark on the last year of his contract?

17.8m base salary this year and is almost assuredly going to announce a new contract with him soon.

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 14221475)

WHO

WHO THE **** ARE THESE MAGICAL FREE AGENTS EVERYONE PRETENDS ARE FLOODING THE MARKET

If we spent that $20M on free agents, guess what? You'd be bitching that we spent that money when it could have been spent on free agents.

THIS IS WHAT SPENDING MONEY LOOKS LIKE.

god, this line of thinking is so ****ing irrational.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14221502)

Can you explain this?

To me, it seems like once Hills name went in the media the team looked for other ways to spend his $

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 14221498)

Oh, you GUARANTEE it?

Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 14221495)

draft picks are much more valuable because of the contracts you get that goes along with the drafted player. We are gonna break the bank for this guy and will be sad as **** in a season or two.

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14221499)

Isn't Frank Clark on the last year of his contract?

17.8m base salary this year and is almost assuredly going to announce a new contract with him soon. So all the money we just cut is going to be added back again and in the same position.

Running in place.

Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 14221250)

I've completely lost all faith in Veach if this happens. What a ****ing joke.

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14221499)

Isn't Frank Clark on the last year of his contract?

17.8m base salary this year and is almost assuredly going to announce a new contract with him soon. So all the money we just cut is going to be added back again and in the same position.

Running in place.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14221476)

Are you ****ing high? I mean, seriously. Crack is whack.

You really think a #29 pick was going to produce like Frank Clark over the next few seasons-especially 2019? And 2020? and 2021? Incredibly unlikely. The REASON you want cap flexibility is for the ability to...well, do things like this-get a proven playmaker, young, in his prime, no injury history. We can frontload Clark's deal some and spread it out. It's a smart move.

We gave up a late #2. We gained 10 spots in the 3rd this year.

Clark and Jones are going to wreck offensive lines for the next several years. This defense just took a MAJOR step forward.

You guys are nuts.

I have off the field concerns with Clark, but as a player, this is a MAJOR, HUGE talent increase.

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14221524)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs and Frank Clark reached agreement on a 5 yrs, $105.5 million contract - greater total than DeMarcus Lawrence, with $63.5 million guaranteed, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1120752347469221889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14221518)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Frank Clark is ****ing elite</p>&mdash; Chris Long (@JOEL9ONE) <a href="https://twitter.com/JOEL9ONE/status/1120751040700325893?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14221524)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs and Frank Clark reached agreement on a 5 yrs, $105.5 million contract - greater total than DeMarcus Lawrence, with $63.5 million guaranteed, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1120752347469221889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 14221510)

Seahawks Fans reaction

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14221524)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs and Frank Clark reached agreement on a 5 yrs, $105.5 million contract - greater total than DeMarcus Lawrence, with $63.5 million guaranteed, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1120752347469221889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 14221466)

welll except for Veech being the main reason we have Mahomes under center. The best goddamn draft pick of all time.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14221506)

It could be one player. It could be multiple. Hell, we could have had Landon Collins + traded up to the top 20 to get an edge rusher + still had $5-10m to spare.

I thought we passed on Collins because we were being deliberate. This seems like a panic to me that the Chiefs swung at a few big free agents early but couldn't land the big fish they wanted.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14221506)

It could be one player. It could be multiple. Hell, we could have had Landon Collins + traded up to the top 20 to get an edge rusher + still had $5-10m to spare.

I thought we passed on Collins because we were being deliberate. This seems like a panic to me that the Chiefs swung at a few big free agents early but couldn't land the big fish they wanted.