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Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Scooter LaCanforno (Post 14839088)
I always heard Riggins ran a 9.7

Gayle Sayers should have signed with the Chiefs after they drafted him.

Boys Track Records

Event

Time/Distance

Year

Name

100 Yd Dash

9.8

1967
John Riggins

220 Yd Dash

21.7

1967
John Riggins

100 M Dash 10.90 1980 Todd Polson
200 M Dash 22.10 1981 Todd Polson
400 M Dash

49.82

1982
Todd Polson

800 M Run

1:57.91

2013
Lukas Koch

1600 M Run

4:16.63

2013 Lukas Koch

Abner Haynes was pretty good, he got the job done.

By the way Riggins could also long jump over 21 feet.

Used to be a video of Riggins winning one of those 100's at State. Then....poof!

oldman 03-13-2020 06:18 AM

I saw him play at Kansas and in the pros. He had both power and speed, but the thing that stood out to me was the way he could change direction without losing either. He's a HOFer for sure.

Tribal Warfare 03-13-2020 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 14839171)
I saw him play at Kansas and in the pros. He had both power and speed, but the thing that stood out to me was the way he could change direction without losing either. He's a HOFer for sure.

Deacon Jones: "he ran so pretty you'd stand there and forget to tackle"

Fansy the Famous Bard 03-13-2020 06:24 AM

He was actually drafted by the Chiefs in the AFL draft out of the University of Kansas. But chose the Bears who also drafted him in the NFL draft. Oh what could have been...

Tribal Warfare 03-13-2020 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Fansy the Famous Bard (Post 14839178)
He was actually drafted by the Chiefs in the AFL draft out of the University of Kansas. But chose the Bears who also drafted him in the NFL draft. Oh what could have been...

His wife pushed him towards the NFL because ultimately they thought the AFL would flame out

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 06:38 AM

While at Kansas he averaged 7.1, 6.9, 5.2 in his three seasons. Funny thing there is nothing about kick returns.

It is unusual to have your starting RB returning kicks.


Jim Brown actually returned some kickoffs.

oldman 03-13-2020 06:49 AM

You have to remember that most college and pro teams at that time were running a T formation and the TE was seldom used as a receiver. Normally, your HBs were the fastest guys on the team. It wasn't until the AFL came along that the SE/Flanker (aka WR) became a thing. Chris Burford never had a 1000 yard season.

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 14839204)
You have to remember that most college and pro teams at that time were running a T formation and the TE was seldom used as a receiver. Normally, your HBs were the fastest guys on the team. It wasn't until the AFL came along that the SE/Flanker (aka WR) became a thing. Chris Burford never had a 1000 yard season.

Don Hutson in the 30's?

Tom Fears had a couple 1000 yard seasons before the AFL.

Bob Boyd a 1000 yard season. An NCAA 100 champ.

How about....

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oldman 03-13-2020 08:50 AM

Again, you cite just a few examples. Sure, there were some ends that had 1000 yard seasons over the 40 years of the NFL before the AFL came along, but the primary weapon before the AFL was the HB.
Before you bring up my statement about the T-formation, there was the Split-T, Wing-T, and even the Wishbone was another variation of the T.

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 14839397)
Again, you cite just a few examples. Sure, there were some ends that had 1000 yard seasons over the 40 years of the NFL before the AFL came along, but the primary weapon before the AFL was the HB.
Before you bring up my statement about the T-formation, there was the Split-T, Wing-T, and even the Wishbone was another variation of the T.

I don't get what the AFL has to do with anything.

Rain Man 03-13-2020 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 14839397)
Again, you cite just a few examples. Sure, there were some ends that had 1000 yard seasons over the 40 years of the NFL before the AFL came along, but the primary weapon before the AFL was the HB.
Before you bring up my statement about the T-formation, there was the Split-T, Wing-T, and even the Wishbone was another variation of the T.

Or fullbacks. Jim Brown, Jim Taylor, Marion Motley, etc. I'd be curious about the role of the fullback versus the halfback in NFL history to see where the tide shifted, and which players may have led that shift. There have always been prominent halfbacks going back to Red Grange and Beattie Feathers, but I feel like fullbacks got equal or better workloads up until ... the 1960s?

Halfcan 03-13-2020 09:07 AM

He carried the ball like a loaf of bread.

Rain Man 03-13-2020 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14839431)
He carried the ball like a loaf of bread.

Andy would have deactivated him for Super Bowl LIV.

Baby Lee 03-13-2020 09:17 AM

Sayers lives more on legendary potential and skill that outshone his contemporaries more than longevity or durability, that much is obvious.

But his potential and skill is hard to visualize in contemporary terms.

Best I could imagine for a Chiefs fan of today, is picture if you had Jamaal Charles' most productive season and Devin Hester's, in the same player.

The thing that differentiates his from other young RB phenoms was how he could split defenders and completely change the field in full stride.

People are STILL agape how Michael Vick and Lamar Jackson did something vaguely similar once or twice in their careers.

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 14839425)
Or fullbacks. Jim Brown, Jim Taylor, Marion Motley, etc. I'd be curious about the role of the fullback versus the halfback in NFL history to see where the tide shifted, and which players may have led that shift. There have always been prominent halfbacks going back to Red Grange and Beattie Feathers, but I feel like fullbacks got equal or better workloads up until ... the 1960s?

Jim Brown
Jim Taylor
John Henry Johnson
Marion Motley
Tank Younger
Rick Casares
Joe Perry
Alan Amechi
Alex Webster
Bronko Nagurski
Nick Pietrasonte
Dick Bass

All listed as fullbacks

The first 1000 yard rusher in the AFL FB Cookie Gilchrist


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