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KC native 12-11-2015 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 11944580)
Gasoline is already as low as $1.66 here in Virginia. It's going to crack that mark easily.

Oil now under $36 and the high yield bonds are about the implode. Things are about to get real bad in the markets.....:(

High yield outside of the energy sector is fundamentally sound.

scho63 12-11-2015 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by KC native (Post 11944792)
High yield outside of the energy sector is fundamentally sound.

You better double check your sources, it's not

KC native 12-11-2015 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 11944804)
You better double check your sources, it's not

Default rates are still below historical averages (as of 10/31 it was at 2.9%. The average is around 4%). If you back out the energy sector, they are significantly lower than average.

As of 10/31 (these won't have changed materially because they haven't been any significant bankruptcies since I got them),
Energy default rate was 5.3%
Exploration and Production was at 9%
Metals and Mining were at 9.5%
Coal was at 27%.

Donger 12-11-2015 04:14 PM

$35.62. That's a 10% drop in one week.

notorious 12-11-2015 04:18 PM

1.59/gallon today.

(fist pump)

These low prices are saving me around $500-700/month.

My Class-3 FFL dealer owns some oil wells and he was bitching about the prices and how it is hurting the economy.

My eyes rolled so hard I probably looked like a slot machine.

scho63 12-11-2015 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KC native (Post 11945177)
Default rates are still below historical averages (as of 10/31 it was at 2.9%. The average is around 4%). If you back out the energy sector, they are significantly lower than average.

As of 10/31 (these won't have changed materially because they haven't been any significant bankruptcies since I got them),
Energy default rate was 5.3%
Exploration and Production was at 9%
Metals and Mining were at 9.5%
Coal was at 27%.

You are looking at the wrong data points. It's not about the current defaults, which are few, it's about the oncoming tsunami that is cresting and ready to break. The next 90-120 days in the high yield market are going to be brutally bad.

KC native 12-16-2015 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 11945511)
You are looking at the wrong data points. It's not about the current defaults, which are few, it's about the oncoming tsunami that is cresting and ready to break. The next 90-120 days in the high yield market are going to be brutally bad.

There are no major defaults expected outside of energy.

Price action doesn't mean the sector is fundamentally challenged.

scho63 12-17-2015 10:03 AM

Just popped under $35 a barrel - $20's something per barrel, here were come

EyePod 12-17-2015 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 11959229)
Just popped under $35 a barrel - $20's something per barrel, here were come

Probably helped by the Congress voting to allow exporting of US oil again.

Squalor2 12-17-2015 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11944659)
Getting a diesel feels dumber now

why?

Donger 12-21-2015 08:35 AM

Gasoline is now $1.99 as a national average. Merry Christmas.

KC native 01-06-2016 03:55 PM

Donger weeps

Donger 01-06-2016 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KC native (Post 12004006)
Donger weeps

LMAO

A good day for the little people. Actually, no it wasn't.

scho63 01-07-2016 01:12 PM

Oil sliding once again-$20's just around the corner. Anything below $25 is the time to BUY, BUY, BUY

KC native 01-07-2016 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 12004146)
LMAO

A good day for the little people. Actually, no it wasn't.

Yea, financial markets haven't been good to anyone so far this year.


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