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mlyonsd 09-21-2022 05:06 PM

Just finished watching the 4th qtr of the epic meltdown. Must watch tv.

staylor26 09-21-2022 05:10 PM

JFC I've seen a lot of disturbing shit on the internet, but that was one of the worst.

MarkDavis'Haircut 09-21-2022 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16480213)
Me too, but in our defense anyone clicking a Raiders thread should expect a certain amount of carnage.

*Raiders game

Sofa King 09-21-2022 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16480229)
JFC I've seen a lot of disturbing shit on the internet, but that was one of the worst.

The internet is a far worse place than that gif.....

Some places have Tom Brady gifs!

MarkDavis'Haircut 09-21-2022 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16480229)
JFC I've seen a lot of disturbing shit on the internet, but that was one of the worst.

Worse than the girl losing her feet or boy being decapitated threads here?

Those were something else.

Sassy Squatch 09-21-2022 05:16 PM

No one cares that you posted it, but next time at least have the common courtesy to NSFW/NSFL tag it. Even by the standards here, that was pretty brutal.

MarkDavis'Haircut 09-21-2022 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16480236)
No one cares that you posted it, but next time at least have the common courtesy to NSFW/NSFW tag it.

Will do!

I found where the spoiler tag is, so no repeats!

I will still say that Brooke Pryor avatar of yours was scarier. Haha

KCUnited 09-21-2022 05:18 PM

I like how Derrick Carr's play has desensitized ol boy to the point he just stands there waiting for his train like its no big deal.

Like he's seen worse on Sunday.

Sassy Squatch 09-21-2022 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carr4MVP (Post 16480240)
Will do!

I found where the spoiler tag is, so no repeats!

I will still say that Brooke Pryor avatar of yours was scarier. Haha

Yes. That was a particularly heinous crime against humanity.

Red Dawg 09-21-2022 05:45 PM

Raiders have a lot of talent. Rough start and unlucky. Two fumbles in OT is pretty effing rare. They are not an easy out.

Hammock Parties 09-26-2022 12:55 PM

https://scontent.fmkc1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...XA&oe=63375093

FlaChief58 09-26-2022 01:17 PM

It warms my heart to see the faid implode

MarkDavis'Haircut 09-26-2022 02:08 PM

We don't football very well.

smithandrew051 09-26-2022 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carr4MVP (Post 16490961)
We don't football very well.

You post better than they play

MarkDavis'Haircut 09-26-2022 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16490995)
You post better than they play

Clay posts better than the Raiders play. :deevee:

But thank you.

Pepe Silvia 09-26-2022 02:32 PM

Scandals are a killer.

Wisconsin_Chief 09-26-2022 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16480229)
JFC I've seen a lot of disturbing shit on the internet, but that was one of the worst.

What's with the dude who just stood there and watched it with almost no reaction? I'd be flipping the hell out if I witnessed something like this. He sort of raised his arm a bit in the end almost in a "Oh great, now the train is going to be delayed" type motion but that was it.

Weird ass stuff.

lewdog 09-26-2022 08:07 PM

There are literally people on the internet with "Carr4MVP" names while the QB gets new weapons and can't win a game.

Hilarious!

Hammock Parties 09-26-2022 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 16491612)
There are literally people on the internet with "Carr4MVP" names while the QB gets new weapons and can't win a game.

Hilarious!

latter day alex smith

Hammock Parties 09-26-2022 08:46 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AFC West down bad. 😂 mainly Raiders &amp; Chargers fans. <a href="https://t.co/z0fjC1SfIv">pic.twitter.com/z0fjC1SfIv</a></p>&mdash; Lexi (@lexiosborne) <a href="https://twitter.com/lexiosborne/status/1574489259045785601?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 26, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

MarkDavis'Haircut 09-26-2022 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 16491612)
There are literally people on the internet with "Carr4MVP" names while the QB gets new weapons and can't win a game.

Hilarious!

Lewdog,

I thought we were cool, man.

:huh:

backinblack 09-26-2022 09:31 PM

you do gotta change the name bud. keep it raiders related but change the name

MarkDavis'Haircut 09-26-2022 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by backinblack (Post 16491747)
you do gotta change the name bud. keep it raiders related but change the name

Yeah, I know.

But I just like the pun so much.

I will think of something sharp.

Hammock Parties 09-26-2022 09:33 PM

Carr4Backup

Coochie liquor 09-26-2022 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carr4MVP (Post 16490961)
We don't football very well.

Bro, McD just seemed like the worst hire from the her go. Like why would you hire him after you saw FIRST HAND what he did in Dungver? There were so many better coaches available. You guys deserve better. Cheers.

Coochie liquor 09-26-2022 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 16491612)
There are literally people on the internet with "Carr4MVP" names while the QB gets new weapons and can't win a game.

Hilarious!

Dude… I argued for 3 weeks with guy I’m Reddit who’s screen name was Lock4MVP. The internet is reeruned.

Coochie liquor 09-26-2022 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16491751)
Carr4Backup

Why you gonna do our boy like that?? Ouch!!:evil:

backinblack 09-26-2022 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 16491776)
Bro, McD just seemed like the worst hire from the her go. Like why would you hire him after you saw FIRST HAND what he did in Dungver? There were so many better coaches available. You guys deserve better. Cheers.

because he said the right thing to a Davis("it was a fumble"). pure cock gobbling.

KChiefs1 09-27-2022 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16477563)
dreadful

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">HOW DO YOU MISS DAVANTE ADAMS LIKE THIS???? HOW????? <a href="https://t.co/uKfHJJYjoU">pic.twitter.com/uKfHJJYjoU</a></p>— JT (@CondorSZN) <a href="https://twitter.com/CondorSZN/status/1571692238383755270?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


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KChiefs1 09-27-2022 12:16 AM

****OFFICIAL Raiders suck thread****
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Carr4MVP (Post 16480171)
Expectations versus reality



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Dawson 09-27-2022 02:48 AM

Carr in KC on a Monday night. hahahahahahahahahahahah. Chiefs will win that game 52-6

MarkDavis'Haircut 09-27-2022 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 16491783)
Dude… I argued for 3 weeks with guy I’m Reddit who’s screen name was Lock4MVP. The internet is reeruned.

Terrible name.

It should have been LockedDownMVP

Hammock Parties 09-27-2022 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dawson (Post 16491902)
Carr in KC on a Monday night. hahahahahahahahahahahah. Chiefs will win that game 52-6

I wanna see mcduffie lock down their precious DAVANTE ROFL

CHIEFENSE

MarkDavis'Haircut 09-27-2022 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 16491776)
Bro, McD just seemed like the worst hire from the her go. Like why would you hire him after you saw FIRST HAND what he did in Dungver? There were so many better coaches available. You guys deserve better. Cheers.

I wanted Pederson once Mr. Email left. That was my pick.

Talked myself into believing in McNuggets.

Oh well. I watch a ton of CFB so I already know about the good draft prospects. Which means the new GM will reach on some dud.

:banghead:

Pepe Silvia 09-27-2022 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carr4MVP (Post 16492694)
I wanted Pederson once Mr. Email left. That was my pick.

Talked myself into believing in McNuggets.

Oh well. I watch a ton of CFB so I already know about the good draft prospects. Which means the new GM will reach on some dud.

:banghead:

McDaniels already got that dumpster fire lit.

smithandrew051 09-27-2022 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carr4MVP (Post 16491750)
Yeah, I know.

But I just like the pun so much.

I will think of something sharp.

InstantCarrma

FlaChief58 09-27-2022 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerinMo (Post 16492711)
McDaniels already got that dumpster fire lit.

I couldn't believe he got another shot after that last abortion.

So happy the faid got their guy LMAO

FlaChief58 09-27-2022 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carr4MVP (Post 16491750)
Yeah, I know.

But I just like the pun so much.

I will think of something sharp.

MasCarra

lawrenceRaider 09-27-2022 01:43 PM

Waller dropped 3 passes that would have been TDs on three different drives. Two in the EZ. One of which he tipped into the hands of a defender for an INT.

Waller catches just one of those routine for him balls, Raiders win.

CasselGotPeedOn 09-27-2022 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 16492740)
Waller dropped 3 passes that would have been TDs on three different drives. Two in the EZ. One of which he tipped into the hands of a defender for an INT.

Waller catches just one of those routine for him balls, Raiders win.

https://i.imgflip.com/1nhqil.jpg?a462288

Hammock Parties 09-27-2022 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 16492740)
Waller dropped 3 passes that would have been TDs on three different drives. Two in the EZ. One of which he tipped into the hands of a defender for an INT.

Waller catches just one of those routine for him balls, Raiders win.

how much money are you paying waller and davante to lose games for carr?

Coochie liquor 09-27-2022 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 16492740)
Waller dropped 3 passes that would have been TDs on three different drives. Two in the EZ. One of which he tipped into the hands of a defender for an INT.

Waller catches just one of those routine for him balls, Raiders win.

Sounds like our last game. Last week was just a weird football week. Nothing went the way anyone thought it would go.

Marcellus 09-27-2022 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 16492740)
Waller dropped 3 passes that would have been TDs on three different drives. Two in the EZ. One of which he tipped into the hands of a defender for an INT.

Waller catches just one of those routine for him balls, Raiders win.

You can blame me I had him in DFS this week. Sounds like he cost me $10.

It was well worth it.

Hammock Parties 09-28-2022 08:01 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This season, Derek Carr has attempted six passes of 20 or more air yards with Davante Adams as the target. <br><br>One catch has resulted from those targets. <br><br>That catch was by Chargers cornerback Asante Samuel Jr. <a href="https://t.co/oK4LL8S1nX">pic.twitter.com/oK4LL8S1nX</a></p>&mdash; Doug Farrar ✍ (@NFL_DougFarrar) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL_DougFarrar/status/1575110235320365056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 28, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hammock Parties 09-29-2022 10:11 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2.After completing training camp with fully padded 2 a days as often as was legal he hyped up a special reward after practice. It was an ice cream truck and a t-shirt that said “Ironman”. Our reward was ice cream….thanks for the creamsicle</p>&mdash; Tyler Polumbus (@Tyler_Polumbus) <a href="https://twitter.com/Tyler_Polumbus/status/1575514802247475200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">4. We had about 25 slogans painted on the walls. God Forbid you forget what the slogan was above the door entering the cafeteria…Josh would call players out in team meeting &amp; ask what each slogan said. If you forgot a single word…Ass Chewing…</p>&mdash; Tyler Polumbus (@Tyler_Polumbus) <a href="https://twitter.com/Tyler_Polumbus/status/1575514805686763521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“Coach are you alright”. Response.. “That’s a hard man to work for”. Me..”So are you coming back?” Coach..”Hell no.” Me..”you getting fired or leaving?” Coach..”I don’t care but I’m getting the hell out of here”</p>&mdash; Tyler Polumbus (@Tyler_Polumbus) <a href="https://twitter.com/Tyler_Polumbus/status/1575514808819929088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">6.These are just scratching the surface. Maybe I will share a few more before the game this weekend.</p>&mdash; Tyler Polumbus (@Tyler_Polumbus) <a href="https://twitter.com/Tyler_Polumbus/status/1575514810690641920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Dawson 09-29-2022 03:58 PM

McDaniels sounds like a psycho. If I'm not mistaken multiple teams have been trying to hire this clown for years. These owners around the league are so clueless. Raiders will have to fire him and eat that contract. Maybe they will bring back Del Rio so Andy can slap him around again.

Pepe Silvia 09-29-2022 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dawson (Post 16496156)
McDaniels sounds like a psycho. If I'm not mistaken multiple teams have been trying to hire this clown for years. These owners around the league are so clueless. Raiders will have to fire him and eat that contract. Maybe they will bring back Del Rio so Andy can slap him around again.

It’s a good ol’ boys club, they recycle the same shit coaches over and over. It’s a joke really.

Hammock Parties 09-29-2022 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerinMo (Post 16496283)
It’s a good ol’ boys club, they recycle the same shit coaches over and over. It’s a joke really.

you can't blame them when shit like nathan hackett is out there swirling the bowl

remember how long it took us to get a good head coach in here

we waited 17 ****ing years to get another head coach who could win a playoff game

Pepe Silvia 09-29-2022 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16496391)
you can't blame them when shit like nathan hackett is out there swirling the bowl

Yeah but for every Nathaniel Hackett there is a Sean MCVay. It’s worth the risk. It’s better than taking a coach that you know sucks.

MarkDavis'Haircut 09-29-2022 08:58 PM

Points For: 64 (21.3/g) 10th of 32

Points Against: 77 (25.7/g) 24th of 32

Good news, we have a top 10 offense.

Bad news: we are 0-3.

And so it goes.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-29-2022 09:15 PM

Beat Denver

MarkDavis'Haircut 09-29-2022 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 16496898)
Beat Denver

Will do.

Garcia Bronco 09-29-2022 09:21 PM

The raiders are going to get their s*** pushed in.

TomBarndtsTwin 09-29-2022 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 16496919)
The raiders are going to get their s*** pushed in.

Lol, you haven’t beaten them in 3 years and your offense looks like hot garbage.

Why would you possibly think this?!?

Pasta Little Brioni 09-29-2022 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 16496919)
The raiders are going to get their s*** pushed in.

With that pop gun offense ROFL

Hammock Parties 09-29-2022 09:33 PM

cripple fight!

MarkDavis'Haircut 09-29-2022 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 16496924)
Lol, you haven’t beaten them in 3 years and your offense looks like hot garbage.

Why would you possibly think this?!?

Because the Raiders defense will run that soft zone crap.

Guaranteed.

Hammock Parties 09-30-2022 10:59 PM

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Rainbarrel 10-01-2022 06:39 AM

Please report back what Bronco Country is suppose to be riding. Unlimited Baloney Pony pics not acceptable

Hammock Parties 10-20-2022 01:57 PM

bowroflcopterlmao

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Darren Waller was not at <a href="https://twitter.com/Raiders?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Raiders</a> practice today. Did not see Hunter Renfrow, either.</p>&mdash; Vincent Bonsignore (@VinnyBonsignore) <a href="https://twitter.com/VinnyBonsignore/status/1583184919068491776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

KChiefs1 10-25-2022 09:37 AM

No respect for the Faid.

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htismaqe 10-25-2022 09:39 AM

No respect? They're ranked 13th (and ahead of the Chargers). I'd say they're getting way too much respect actually.

ThaVirus 10-25-2022 09:43 AM

I don't think they're a particularly good team, but they're a little better than their record indicates. They're primed to go on a little bit of a run over the next couple months.

Their remaining schedule:

Saints
Jaguars
Colts
Broncos
Seahawks
Chargers
Rams
Patriots
Steelers
49ers
Chiefs

I believe their rough start doomed them, but wouldn't be surprised to see them win more than they lose down the stretch, especially since the final game against KC may be played against our backups.

backinblack 10-25-2022 10:31 AM

13 is definitely too high, and being above the Dolphins and arguably the Seahawks is funny. Sure the Hawks on paper are a worse team, but they are finding ways to win.

Being ahead of the Chargers seems right though, momentum wise the Chargers have none(and so far the “great” Herbert doesn’t look so great). Sad looking so called Super Bowl favorite.

lawrenceRaider 10-25-2022 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 16553205)
No respect for the Faid.

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13th is a pretty good ranking for a 2-4 team.

Sure we have 5 or so very beatable teams coming up in a row, but those games have to be played, and the Raiders have to show they won't give them away like they did at least 2 games in their 1-4 start.

Pepe Silvia 10-25-2022 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16543761)
bowroflcopterlmao

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Darren Waller was not at <a href="https://twitter.com/Raiders?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Raiders</a> practice today. Did not see Hunter Renfrow, either.</p>&mdash; Vincent Bonsignore (@VinnyBonsignore) <a href="https://twitter.com/VinnyBonsignore/status/1583184919068491776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hunter Renfrow turned into a broke dick.

Sassy Squatch 10-25-2022 10:47 AM

Yeah, that's a bit high. Their only wins came against bottom 5 teams from that same list.

FlaChief58 10-25-2022 10:49 AM

7-10 seems about right. That's good enough for 3rd in the division, so kudos to them

TEX 10-25-2022 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 16553390)
13th is a pretty good ranking for a 2-4 team.

Sure we have 5 or so very beatable teams coming up in a row, but those games have to be played, and the Raiders have to show they won't give them away like they did at least 2 games in their 1-4 start.

Still think the Raiders come in 2nd in our division.

staylor26 10-25-2022 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16553227)
I don't think they're a particularly good team, but they're a little better than their record indicates. They're primed to go on a little bit of a run over the next couple months.

Their remaining schedule:

Saints
Jaguars
Colts
Broncos
Seahawks
Chargers
Rams
Patriots
Steelers
49ers
Chiefs

I believe their rough start doomed them, but wouldn't be surprised to see them win more than they lose down the stretch, especially since the final game against KC may be played against our backups.

I can literally see them losing any one of those games lol

Sassy Squatch 10-25-2022 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16553412)
Still think the Raiders come in 2nd in our division.

Right now given the absolutely sorry state of the Chargers it's very possible, yes.

Sassy Squatch 10-25-2022 10:53 AM

The only two teams there I'd pencil in is wins for sure are the Saints and Broncos. Colts might actually look competent with Ehlinger instead of the already decaying corpse of Ryan.

backinblack 10-25-2022 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16553415)
I can literally see them losing any one of those games lol

Until the 4th quarter they looked like they could've lost to Houston on Sunday, so yeah I still have this mentality.

ThaVirus 10-25-2022 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16553415)
I can literally see them losing any one of those games lol

I can too.

My bold prediction:

Saints - W
Jaguars - L
Colts - W
Broncos - W
Seahawks - W
Chargers - L
Rams - L
Patriots - W
Steelers - W
49ers - W
Chiefs (if KC starters sit - W, if they play - L)

lawrenceRaider 10-25-2022 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16553583)
I can too.

My bold prediction:

Saints - W
Jaguars - L
Colts - W
Broncos - W
Seahawks - W
Chargers - L
Rams - L
Patriots - W
Steelers - W
49ers - W
Chiefs (if KC starters sit - W, if they play - L)

I think we beat the jags, but that looks about like what I'm expecting. Same with the last game of the year against y'all. I just wish it could be against the Chargers again to send them home for the season.

Sassy Squatch 10-25-2022 01:42 PM

Steelers and 49ers potentially Ls if they get healthy.

ThaVirus 10-25-2022 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 16553913)
I think we beat the jags, but that looks about like what I'm expecting. Same with the last game of the year against y'all. I just wish it could be against the Chargers again to send them home for the season.

Initially I thought the Jags would be a W too since they're pretty dysfunctional right now, but the more I thought about it, I just don't think they've got what it takes to rattle off 5 straight Ws.

ThaVirus 10-25-2022 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16553927)
Steelers and 49ers potentially Ls if they get healthy.

Yeah, Raiders over 49ers was my boldest prediction of the bunch.

It's so far off that it's nearly impossible to have a good feel for what's going to be going on with either team at that point, but I'm sticking to that one for now.

MarkDavis'Haircut 10-25-2022 03:48 PM

I am saying 13-4.

Because to be a fan is to dream impossible.

backinblack 10-25-2022 04:21 PM

If the Raiders can click they can easily beat the Chargers in Vegas, and even could beat the Chiefs starters in Vegas I feel. We played toe to toe against both in their home stadiums, which for the Chiefs at least is a much more hostile environment than Allegiant(no comment on the Chargers “home crowd”).

49ers game is definitely one I’m worried about down the road. Possibly the Rams and the Hawks too, but neither are especially scary.


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