Sir have heard of a man named Randy Moss?

One could argue that the ideal situation was to keep Hill and go find someone like Waddle so teams couldn't try to take it away (they didn't really, but they tried).

Not drafting around 30ish you're not, and if you paid Hill the #1WR salary in the NFL, you can't pay for another WR with that skill-set or a Jones type for the defense. So here we are.

So you can't get good WR's after 30? You don't think an addition like Rice or trading for Toney does anything like that?

Seems you're pretty dug in on a narrative here.

Hardman was probably our best attempt at that. But then again, if it wasn't for the scandal, we very well could've drafted someone else. Still, that was probably our best shot at it.

Only highlights on toosdays.

Who said that? Who said anything about Tyreek Hill?

Are you comparing Justyn Ross to Mike Evans, Tee Higgins or Jamarr Chase. He hasn't even established himself as Chase Claypool yet. Get a grip on your emotional bias.

I think so.

Isn't he the one who likes to run over cops?

Uh, no, no I'm not.

I'm saying that guys like that win reps in that way. Big, tall, long WR's in that mold.

And I'm saying, hell, if he win that way, you can throw that all damned day long until they pull a safety over. And if they do THAT, then someone else is open.

Rice deserves a throw on the first play of every game, so he can get his drop and then get down to business.

Ross deserves more looks, due to the potential. Players like that seem to succeed for other teams, with way lesser quarterbacks.

Someone told me he was only in for 6 plays.

6 plays
4 targets

There were 2 drops but Mahomes must think he’s open if he throws balls his way 2/3 of the time.

You just kind of making it up as you go sport?

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He's at the top of the screen. Wide open on the play that Mahomes throws deep to Watson, but is a bit short.

You're moving the goalposts.

Of course you can get good WR's past #30. But not with Waddle's skill-set. There are lots of ways to win reps for WR but the blazing speed plus hands, plus route runners go high.

Don't be dense.

Yeah I'm pretty dug in on the realities of the salary cap and the notion of fielding a defense, too. Call me crazy.

Yes. But Chiefs were going to try something that could also have worked very well when they wanted to pair JuJu with Hill. That was option #1. And I would have loved yo have seen it. But after Adams signed with the Raiders, Hill decided he wanted $30Mil, and things changed. But they were all in at $25Mil.

Yeah, well, sure.

And we'd be complaining that Chris Jones was in Tennessee or something. Six of one, half dozen of the other.

It is what it is, move on, draft and develop the next group of stars.

Yea, well, sure and context matters... Read O city's statement and then read mine. We were simply duscussing types of WR's to build a team with. It was a surface discussion. Simple. No need to "move on" or anything, becauae it wasn't about that at all.

I did read it, and I responded to his post that a 'Waddle' type WR would either cost a high first, or a ton of money. And same with your post; keep Hill to pair with Juju, watch Jones walk.

And the TEAM moves on.

Who's not reading what?

So Waddles skill set can’t be found anywhere other than the top of the draft?

You always say the chiefs draft so well in all these rounds, why couldn’t they have drafted wrs to pair with hill for cheap?

Not usually, no.

As for the second part of your post- well, they spent for Watkins in '18, so they needed to spend draft picks everywhere else.

I really don't understand why some of you guys just flat don't understand the equation.

If you're paying an elite QB, you have to go cheap in other places. You have to draft and develop. The salary cap is real, and you fudge it for a year maybe, but then you're going to have to have a few rough seasons like The Rams, for example.

The way The Chiefs are doing it, they're going to contend for Super Bowls every single year.

I doubt Veach strikes out on four swings at WR here. We can afford to be a little patient while they figure it out because our defense looks really good.

I think this is a significant development. If this sort of ratio continues, LOOK OUT.

Yes, draft picks are cheap. Hence why I said draft picks to add with Tyreek. Just like it takes draft picks to add to the defense with paying Jones etc.

If this is your argument, I think you've kinda missed the point.

No I didn't miss the point, you missed the team building aspect entirely. We had a potent offense, and a mediocre defense where Dan Sorensen was an important player. We needed to get better. And we did

Man... If Rice and Ross both fully click by the end of the season, this offense could be really fun to watch come playoff time.

Telling yall, this Ross fella about to pop off.

If he gets going, then with Ross/Rice/Toney we can run every concept in a NFL playbook.

Rice/Ross/MVS/Watson by the end of the year is my biggest hope. Toney is interchangeable for obvious reasons. Maybe we add someone by the deadline in as well.

That could work if those players improve/get the playing time they need.

Maybe.

But i think the reason we see high target shares per snap for Rice/Ross/Toney is because they may be the 1st or 2nd read on the specific package they're in on. It could be, and probably is, totally by design.

Something to think about...
I think if they's year's team played the 2022 after 5 games it would win by about 7-10.

So ask yourself...which team is better? I strongly contend it's this one and that's without Omenihu.

You should proof read your post.

I think you're probably right, but I'm not sure that matters. If they're open enough to throw them the ball, cool.

If finding a player like Waddle after pick 30 is your plan then you have a shitty plan.

Yeah we should have got a guy like that and we'd be fine. I guess we're making things too hard on ourselves.

Yes, clearly high caliber WR's come from the first round. I agree. We should draft some there.

Actually far more successful receivers come after round 1, but not per capita.

The best chance of finding an elite WR is to draft one in the top ten picks. The second best chance is to continuously draft WR every year in rounds 2-5.

That's just statistics talking, but it remains true. You either spend for a blue chip, elite prospect in the first 10-15 picks or you throw numbers at it in the rounds 2-5.

Chiefs do not have top ten draft picks, so the latter strategy is the one they are implementing, as seen by spending three 2nd round picks on WR in the last five years. It's what Pittsburgh does.

Chase Claypool
George Pickens
JuJu Smith-Schuster
James Washington
Diontae Johnson (3rd)

Oh I agree.

But I also don't think......are any of those WR's 2nd contract good WR"s?

Not for my money, they aren't.

But where KC will be drafting, you have a chance to find a stud in the 2nd, but you're going to have to suffer through drafting Skyy Moore. When you're panning for gold, you're going to find a lot of rocks.

My thing is, it's why I'm always for trading up or trading for guys.

We're just not gonna have alot of shots at blue chip dudes.

Ok, we have 10 days til the Chargers come in here. Get this kid up and get him prepared. I'm ready for the Rice and Ross show.

I honestly think our WR's woes go away if we start these two.

I know it wont be perfect, but I feel like Ross catch radius and Rice YAC are exactly what we are missing.

I'm with you. If somehow Chris Jones isn't on the team next year, I really hope it's because they are acquiring draft capital to move up for an elite WR.

Every game we are hoping Andy gives the kid a proper chance. Every game we see Skyy Moore and MVS get the lions share of snaps and fail to make more than 2 catches. If not against a dogshit defense like Denver then when? Even with Watson out I doubt he'll get more than a couple of snaps.

I need a bigger sample size. I just think Ross/Ross is worth a shot. Give those two 40 snaps together to see what we got.

It does seem strange. Maybe Ross is doing something in practice that leads Reid to believe that he's not ready :shrug:

The Watson injury actually helps instead of hurts, IMO. It will force Reid and Co. to give Rice more snaps, it allows MVS to focus on the one thing he is above average in (deep routes), and it frees up snaps to get Ross on the field to see what he can do.

I believe the team comes out of the mini bye with a more set group of receivers with Toney, Rice, and MVS getting the bulk of the snaps and Moore and Ross getting snaps on special packages or when guys need a breather.

Andy is reluctant to play rookies on offense. There is no other explanation.

Pacheco was clearly better and his snaps were few and far between until late in the season last year.

Kareem Hunt was the exception because vet RB went down with an injury not because Kareem out played him.

Moore hasn’t shown anything. Then again neither have MVS and Toney really. If we’re going to give reps to players that are producing it should be Rice leaning into the number one position. After that I would prefer to see MVS/Toney because of their experience in the offense and then Ross and then Moore.

Had high hopes for Moore but for whatever reason it just isn’t working and we need to give Ross more of a shot. He can’t be any worse than the 2 catches and 10 yards Skyy gets each week.

I hope so.

But I'm skeptical Rice out snaps Moore this early in the season.

He doesn't need to and he'll still finish better in every statistical category.

LMAO

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This is real. I saw it

This I agree with. I hope Ross gets a really hard look as well. ;)

This kid is special for sure:thumb:

I get your point but Rice's explosion he flashed last Thurs evening begs for more snaps IMO.

Shit

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Meh these things in todays day and age are 50/50

With inflation like it is, he could have just tipped over a cart full of groceries and been over 25k.

This does suck because he's already got an uphill climb and he may have just made it harder.

:facepalm: 25k is a whole lotta temper tantrum, this isn't going to end the way I hoped... shit

domestic violence?

Who among us hasn’t destroyed between 0 and 25K worth of property, cast the first stone.

We have at least a couple of DV guys on our roster.

I would suggest unbunching your panties.

Well, well, well.

Skyy goes to the IR, and who takes the spot on the 53?

THAT'S RIGHT.

It's my boy Ross, back from banishment.

Maybe he'll have a little somethin' somethin'.

I'll say one thing-he's not going to be double covered, and he's likely going to draw the other team's 4th corner. That's not likely to be a big guy. Just chuck Justyn a few and let him climb the ladder.

I'm not expecting much, but hey, you never know, right?

GIMME SOME ROSS

Yeah, I hope he really turns it on. He's got plenty of talent and room on his frame to bulk up. It would be nice if he turned into Tee Higgins or AJ Brown after some time in the NFL strength and conditioning program. Rice has that type of strength already. It would be great to end the season with two rookie wr's with actual potential.

I don't think he's got AJ Brown potential.

But if he could even be a sort of middle class man's Tee Higgins, that'd be ****ing fantastic.

At this point, I just hope they roll with him. I realize he may need to work himself into it, but I just want them to give him a legitimate shot.

Any thoughts on this kid for 2024? If he finally breaks out it would be huge for the offense.

I'm gonna go in this time expecting absolutely nothing

This unfortunately

I don't think we can go in with expectations. He flashed at times but that suspension and 2 drops on 11 targets certainly hurt his cause. It'd be nice if he came along well and could at least provide a real solid red zone option at the bottom of the roster this year.

Idk, is it possible he isn't the kind of WR Andy usually goes for? Andy and Mahomes have never been big on 50/50 jump balls, they usually scheme to get you separation and out in space and get massive YAC. Ross just might not be the right fit here.

We release this piece of shit yet???

U GOTTA BELIEF!!!

I will never stop rooting for Justyn Ross until he's taking meaningful snaps from a better player. Until then, anything is better than Skyy and Toney.

What the hell are they going to do with Ross, Toney and Moore? Let them battle for the last spot? Keep two of the three?

I'd honestly like to keep Toney if he isn't a cancer. Chances are, he's not going to drop every other pass next year.

I'm not ruling any of them out for the lights coming on, but there is no world in which it is expected or likely. I think they will try to trade Toney, and when that doesn't happen, he's gone.

I expect Moore and Ross to make it to camp.

Toney has at least shown the ability to make electric plays. Moore and Ross have shown nothing to this point.

But I don't know where Toney stands with the staff. He may have pissed off too many people to be welcomed back.

I think toney is objectively the most talented. I also think he's the least likely to make the roster, but every day he isn't released makes me question that a little more.

The soon we accept he's a bum the better.

If he’d just get his head together he’d make an outstanding player minus the injuries he keeps.

I watch that SB punt return a lot and the way he is so Shifty on his feet is amazing when he makes that first guy miss. Frustrating to see the physical potential there going to dropped balls and interceptions :banghead:

His contract is fully guaranteed. As much of a head case as he is, he is still a good 5th or 6th WR. I will not be surprised if he is not used in one of those cut-down trade scenarios.