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dlphg9 07-07-2020 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 15056005)
I tell you all the time and over 15+ years I value your insight into players. Your top notch on this site. Without question, one of the best. But, Clowney? Your 4 points above I cant disagree with but if we do that deal, how do we fit Jones in there?

Jones signing long term = more cap space = enough cap space to sign Clowney to a 1 year deal.

PAChiefsGuy 07-07-2020 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 15056070)
Jones signing long term = more cap space = enough cap space to sign Clowney to a 1 year deal.

Lol. Yeah that's going to happen

suzzer99 07-07-2020 02:48 PM

I don't get the Clowney infatuation at all.

Chief Northman 07-07-2020 03:23 PM

Clowney sucks. There is enough depth on DL when you factor in Jones.

Find a young stud at SS or another linebacker instead.

duncan_idaho 07-07-2020 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 15056113)
I don't get the Clowney infatuation at all.

It's not an infatuation. Just thinking about what they would do with the cap space that a Jones extension would free.

Maybe they just pick some up and roll it over.

Maybe they try to add a quality free agent. It's not just Clowney. He's the easiest/biggest name. But Everson Griffen is definitely in the $10 million/year price range and would be a nice addition on a short deal (rumors are he wants 2 years, though).

Logan Ryan would also provide some insurance at CB for Breeland's looming potential suspension.

Personally, I think Veach will be aggressive with that cap space. That seems to be his way.

Brooklyn 07-07-2020 03:41 PM

any news on whats up with Suggs?

Chiefspants 07-07-2020 03:42 PM

If people want to know the impact Clowney could bring to our defense, they should look no further than the instant improvement Suggs brought to our line. As many have said, Clowney won’t bring us a 15 sack season, but he wouldn’t have to do that to make an instant impact on the defense.

The wild thing is that Clowney would be an improvement over Suggs at this point in their careers.

TribalElder 07-07-2020 03:51 PM

Suggs is a professional

Clowney is a guy who is mostly injured and has fed off a highlight tackle from college

suzzer99 07-07-2020 03:53 PM

And his price tag is pretty damn high. Unless it's come down. And then that's not the best sign.

Just seems like there has to be better value out there.

sedated 07-07-2020 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 15055433)
5 years, $100M, $52M guaranteed

$30M signing bonus

KC pretty much offered this to Jones last year and he turned it down. Consistent rumors say he wants the Frank Clark deal and won't take anything less.

Coogs 07-07-2020 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 15056316)
KC pretty much offered this to Jones last year and he turned it down. Consistent rumors say he wants the Frank Clark deal and won't take anything less.

I get it, but that is gonna be hard to do. Other contracts coming up in a couple of years that will need to be done too.

duncan_idaho 07-07-2020 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 15056316)
KC pretty much offered this to Jones last year and he turned it down. Consistent rumors say he wants the Frank Clark deal and won't take anything less.


Clark’s deal was 5/102 with less $$ guaranteed.


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sedated 07-07-2020 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 15056359)
Clark’s deal was 5/102 with less $$ guaranteed.


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5 years/$104/$62.3 guaranteed

(Not as drastic a difference as I thought, but more guaranteed)

duncan_idaho 07-07-2020 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 15056362)
5 years/$104/$62.3 guaranteed

(Not as drastic a difference as I thought, but more guaranteed)


Weird. First thing I checked showed $42.3 guaranteed, but maybe that’s current state.

Anyway, you could increase the guarantee a bit to make it work better if needed. Still is pretty close to what it would take, IMO.

Sassy Squatch 07-07-2020 05:03 PM

If Clowney is the third best guy on your DL, you're doing something right.


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