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The Franchise 02-04-2021 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15526706)
I just don't see all of the panic about the offensive line.

The past few nights, the NFL Network has replayed the 2018 regular season game against the Patriots as well as the AFC Championship game, and regardless of who has started, the line performed fine, whether it was Wylie or LDT or Cam Erving at LG or any iteration.

I think there's a better than good chance that the Chiefs starting offensive line will be either Fisher or a fill-in at LT, Allegretti, Reiter, LDT and Wylie, if Schwartz is actually retires.

I think it would be great if the Chiefs can re-sign Remmers and Wiz as backups, leaving Niang and a draftee to battle out at LT. I could see them snagging another IOL from the 5th-7th, watch the guy sit for a year, then move into the RG or Center position but I just cannot envision a scenario in which they draft a pair of tackles and a center while forcing them to start the 2021 season.

That just doesn't jibe with Veach and Reid's philosophy.
Reiter is gone. No way do we pay that much money to keep him.

But I’m not overly worried about the offensive line either.

DaneMcCloud 02-04-2021 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15526716)
Reiter is gone. No way do we pay that much money to keep him.

But I’m not overly worried about the offensive line either.
Sure, I completely agree but I just have a hard time believing that any team will offer him the kind of money that Spotrac is projecting. It would be great for him and his family if he can snag $11 million per but that really seems to be an egregious number for a 29 year old center.

It wouldn't surprise me to see him back on a backloaded 2 year, $12-15 million dollar deal with a minimal cap hit in 2021 because Reid really likes "His guys" and Reiter definitely fits that description.

The Chiefs went 5-3 with Cam freaking Erving at Left Tackle so I don't think the situation is as dire as some believe.

Direckshun 02-04-2021 01:26 PM
A midround WR you should keep your eye on is Josh Imatorbhebhe of Illinois.

This guy has all the tools to be a really good X. Just needs coaching.

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frozenchief 02-04-2021 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15526732)
The Chiefs went 5-3 with Cam freaking Erving at Left Tackle so I don't think the situation is as dire as some believe.
THis is a good point. Don't forget Fisher was playing at 50% when we played the Saints and we did pretty well. Would I prefer Fisher at LT? Obviously. But Andy has 2 weeks to scheme and there are a lot of things that he can do in those two weeks to compensate for some O-line weakness.

htismaqe 02-04-2021 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15526531)
And absolutely if you take a T at 32, he starts day one.
Then you can't just take any of these guys.

Several of the prospects being discussed will be GUARDS in the NFL. And a handful more will require time to develop.

So it isn't as simple as "take the OT available at 32". It's a lot more complicated than that.

htismaqe 02-04-2021 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15526589)
LMAO Good grief, this is way over the top melodramatic. Just because we're most likely going to spend a single Offseason building our OL back up after both our bookends suffered at best significantly career altering injuries doesn't mean we're never going to be able to find more offensive skill position players.
It's going to take more than an offseason to replenish the line and if some people around here had their way, you know damn well that what I'm talking about is accurate.

htismaqe 02-04-2021 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15526770)
A midround WR you should keep your eye on is Josh Imatorbhebhe of Illinois.

This guy has all the tools to be a really good X. Just needs coaching.

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He needs a lot more than just coaching. He's extremely raw.

htismaqe 02-04-2021 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15526732)
Sure, I completely agree but I just have a hard time believing that any team will offer him the kind of money that Spotrac is projecting. It would be great for him and his family if he can snag $11 million per but that really seems to be an egregious number for a 29 year old center.

It wouldn't surprise me to see him back on a backloaded 2 year, $12-15 million dollar deal with a minimal cap hit in 2021 because Reid really likes "His guys" and Reiter definitely fits that description.

The Chiefs went 5-3 with Cam freaking Erving at Left Tackle so I don't think the situation is as dire as some believe.
There are people here that were saying the entire IOL needed replaced prior to the Fisher injury and now they're saying we need two tackles.

Direckshun 02-04-2021 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15526903)
He needs a lot more than just coaching. He's extremely raw.
So... coaching?

DaneMcCloud 02-04-2021 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15526909)
There are people here that were saying the entire IOL needed replaced prior to the Fisher injury and now they're saying we need two tackles.
Maybe it's due to the small sample size or maybe it's more natural for him to play outside but I have to say, there's really no reason to draft and start a rookie Right Tackle when Wylie has done a pretty damn good job in spot duty this season.

With a full offseason and training camp, I think Wylie would be just fine, if not well above average, at the Right Tackle position.

htismaqe 02-04-2021 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15526929)
So... coaching?
No, not just coaching, he's going to need a ton of luck. He's a guy that might not even make the roster because he can't even digest a playbook.

Compared to him, Hardman was medium rare.

htismaqe 02-04-2021 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15526949)
Maybe it's due to the small sample size or maybe it's more natural for him to play outside but I have to say, there's really no reason to draft and start a rookie Right Tackle when Wylie has done a pretty damn good job in spot duty this season.

With a full offseason and training camp, I think Wylie would be just fine, if not well above average, at the Right Tackle position.
That's you though.

Wylie is, in general, the most despised OL starter on CP. People wanted him cut yesterday. Do you think they're going to be okay with him being the opening day RT? Because if they draft a guard, that's where he's going to end up.

Chris Meck 02-04-2021 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15526909)
There are people here that were saying the entire IOL needed replaced prior to the Fisher injury and now they're saying we need two tackles.
Well I hope you're not including me in that.

I think it's wise to not count on Fisher.

I think you need to bring Remmers back. Super-sub/insurance plan.

I DO think you need one tackle. I don't believe you just hand a spot to Niang, and I'd rather not see the Rankin show at LT.

We will need to figure something out at C, whether it be internal or a cheap vet, but if we draft one, I don't think you assume he starts either right away. I'm curious as to how the Justin Britt work-out went. That could be a nice stopgap guy. He's still only 29.

Durant just looks too slow afoot for an OT, but is a maybe at Guard.

I mean there could be some options already here and it could be that Veach knows exactly who will be ready to play and where, but WE don't, so we speculate.

DaneMcCloud 02-04-2021 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15526995)
That's you though.

Wylie is, in general, the most despised OL starter on CP. People wanted him cut yesterday. Do you think they're going to be okay with him being the opening day RT? Because if they draft a guard, that's where he's going to end up.
To be completely honest, I couldn't care less what the ill and uninformed CP population feels about the roster, period.

This forum worships Byron ****ing Pringle and thinks he's as good or better than Sammy Watkins.

That says it all.

Chris Meck 02-04-2021 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15526995)
That's you though.

Wylie is, in general, the most despised OL starter on CP. People wanted him cut yesterday. Do you think they're going to be okay with him being the opening day RT? Because if they draft a guard, that's where he's going to end up.
I think he's better outside than inside, which is kind of surprising. Or maybe not, as I suppose his best trait is being generally pretty athletic. He's not very powerful, and that looks pretty bad inside when we try to run.

I don't know that I'd say he's above average though.


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