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The Franchise 03-01-2024 07:52 PM

**** no to Evans.

TribalElder 03-01-2024 08:02 PM

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fields has been AIDS since he came into the league

Stryker 03-01-2024 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17424774)
**** no to Evans.

What? He is 6' 5" and a baller! LMAO See what it would take to get him! Think of this...

Rice
Evans
Troy Franklin
Kelce
Gray
Watson

Please!

Stryker 03-01-2024 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17424750)
He looked great in 2023. I'm not a big fan of Evans, but the tape didn't lie. Outside of his drop rate, he played extremely well and fast all season and in the playoffs.


Sidenote: JR80 had 8 or 9 1,000 yard seasons after 30. TO had 6. So this "he's turning 30," thing isn't that big a deal.

Not that it matters; we aren't going to be able to come up with the $$$ anyway. hearing he wants close to $30 million/yr.

Evans will be 31 yrs old - HE cannot possibly think he will get BANK at his age. However, if he thinks he can then a HARD PASS!

Dunerdr 03-01-2024 09:53 PM

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Makes sense. Kirk chains wins more and has more swag. I think Fields goes to pitt but not for a major haul.

Couch-Potato 03-02-2024 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 17424841)
Evans will be 31 yrs old - HE cannot possibly think he will get BANK at his age. However, if he thinks he can then a HARD PASS!

Wait a min. I thought we all collectively agreed that 40 is the new 30!?

Millennial's, back me up!?

Monticore 03-02-2024 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17424855)
Makes sense. Kirk chains wins more and has more swag. I think Fields goes to pitt but not for a major haul.

Why would anyone trade for Fields as their long term qb of the future .

In58men 03-02-2024 08:38 AM

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Zero chance we sign him for “top wide receiver money” when we wouldn’t entertain the contract that dhop got last year.


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RunKC 03-02-2024 08:41 AM

Mike Evans and Saquon Barkley gonna be Texans

Red Dawg 03-02-2024 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17424774)
**** no to Evans.

Yup. Old dudes not wanted.

TwistedChief 03-02-2024 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bigjosh (Post 17425002)
Zero chance we sign him for “top wide receiver money” when we wouldn’t entertain the contract that dhop got last year.


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Dianna Russini said she had thought going into the combine that his market would’ve been around 20mm, but once she arrived and spoke with people, she thinks it’s more like 24-26mm. So yeah, no Mike Evans for us.

In58men 03-02-2024 09:16 AM

They all say they want a ring, but sign with teams like Titans or Cardinals.

Red Dawg 03-02-2024 09:17 AM

She got that number from Spotrac. Lazy ass reporting. But still we won't pay a 30 year old what he will want. Wrs can be taken out of games and are not worth over 15.

Red Dawg 03-02-2024 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17425025)
They all say they want a ring, but sign with teams like Titans or Cardinals.

He has a ring. He will money chase then lie about it.

In58men 03-02-2024 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 17425028)
He has a ring. He will money chase then lie about it.

I know, but apparently he said winning a ring is the top priority.

smithandrew051 03-02-2024 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17425032)
I know, but apparently he said winning a ring is the top priority.

They all say that.

Delano 03-02-2024 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17425025)
They all say they want a ring, but sign with teams like Titans or Cardinals.

You trying to tell HR that you have lackluster goals during your recruiting process?

staylor26 03-02-2024 09:23 AM

That is exactly what Hopkins was saying last year, then he signed with the ****ing Titans.

In58men 03-02-2024 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17425037)
That is exactly what Hopkins was saying last year, then he signed with the ****ing Titans.

Same with JJ Watt with Arizona lol

Delano 03-02-2024 09:30 AM

I mean, who is to say these vets are even getting interest from contenders? Maybe agents come to the Chiefs and Veach is like no we’re good lol

In58men 03-02-2024 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Delano (Post 17425036)
You trying to tell HR that you have lackluster goals during your recruiting process?

I understand why, it’s annoying that they have to lie about it. We all know a ring isn’t the top priority. No need to bullshit, just say “I’m looking for a team that’ll give me the best opportunity to be successful”.

FloridaMan88 03-02-2024 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17425001)

He’ll have to determine which of those factors is most important to him… because teams with the most salary cap room… the Patriots, Washington, Tennessee, etc., don’t have an elite QB.

RunKC 03-02-2024 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17425057)
He’ll have to determine which of those factors is most important to him… because teams with the most salary cap room… the Patriots, Washington, Tennessee, etc., don’t have an elite QB.

Texans and Colts right behind them in cap space. Expect both to spend big on 2 weeks

Rainbarrel 03-02-2024 09:49 AM

"I want to be a Buffalo Bill forever"(get me the **** out of this snow and away from the moronic head coach)

duncan_idaho 03-02-2024 09:55 AM

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That's interesting.

The Texans have Stroud and cap space and are basically his hometown team.That would be my betting favorite.

old_geezer 03-02-2024 09:57 AM

If Evans wants top WR money I'd rather have Sneed back and sort through the culls or use the draft for a WR.

Easy 6 03-02-2024 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17425022)
Dianna Russini said she had thought going into the combine that his market would’ve been around 20mm, but once she arrived and spoke with people, she thinks it’s more like 24-26mm. So yeah, no Mike Evans for us.

Good, didn't want him in the first place

I'd much rather have a pro ready first rounder, and a couple of solid mid tier FA's

In58men 03-02-2024 11:05 AM

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Monticore 03-02-2024 11:08 AM

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Is he still worth big bucks? If we lose Snead and Jones?

MahomesMagic 03-02-2024 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Delano (Post 17425045)
I mean, who is to say these vets are even getting interest from contenders? Maybe agents come to the Chiefs and Veach is like no we’re good lol

Yeah, Veachs plan was Skyy Moore and Toney.

No DHop needed.

In58men 03-02-2024 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17425146)
Yeah, Veachs plan was Skyy Moore and Toney.

No DHop needed.

It worked lol

philfree 03-02-2024 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17425146)
Yeah, Veachs plan was Skyy Moore and Toney.

No DHop needed.

Correct! No DHop was needed.

MahomesKnows 03-02-2024 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17425146)
Yeah, Veachs plan was Skyy Moore and Toney.

No DHop needed.

Can't argue with the result!

MahomesMagic 03-02-2024 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17425148)
It worked lol

Yes, it worked at making our offense mediocre or worse.


His defense he spent so many resources on came through well though.

UChieffyBugger 03-02-2024 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17425081)
That's interesting.

The Texans have Stroud and cap space and are basically his hometown team.That would be my betting favorite.

A Texans reporter already claims the Texans don't want him.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-02-2024 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17425146)
Yeah, Veachs plan was Skyy Moore and Toney.

No DHop needed.

Why do you keep ****ing that chicken? It's really weird after winning a title thanks to spending the resources on defense instead of WR to non stop bitch about it...

In58men 03-02-2024 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni (Post 17425159)
Why do you keep ****ing that chicken? It's really weird after winning a title thanks to spending the resources on defense instead of WR to non stop bitch about it...

He’s a ****ing troll, it’s obvious.

FloridaMan88 03-02-2024 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17425072)
Texans and Colts right behind them in cap space. Expect both to spend big on 2 weeks

Texans don’t really have a pressing need for a WR though… not enough of a need to spend big $$$ to sign Evans.

Also they are focused on getting a new contract done with Nico Collins.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-02-2024 11:53 AM

Top defenses combined with HOF QBs win championships. Figure out a way to keep Sneed and Jones and **** spending cap room on WR

Titty Meat 03-02-2024 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17425081)
That's interesting.

The Texans have Stroud and cap space and are basically his hometown team.That would be my betting favorite.

Chiefs for a 2 year deal it's ring SZN bro

Titty Meat 03-02-2024 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17425148)
It worked lol

So has your thread ban

RunKC 03-02-2024 12:01 PM

This is probably happening

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On a lower-profile note, some chatter in Indy from folks eager to see where WR Darnell Mooney lands in a week and a half.<br><br>There’s a small buzz on the possibility of Mooney having a resurgent 2024 at a great value price. Multiple people suggested KC.</p>&mdash; Dan Wiederer (@danwiederer) <a href="https://twitter.com/danwiederer/status/1763949240991003136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

In58men 03-02-2024 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 17425172)
So has your thread ban

Nobody likes you

Titty Meat 03-02-2024 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17425182)
Nobody likes you

Atleast I can still make threads

Megatron96 03-02-2024 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni (Post 17425159)
Why do you keep ****ing that chicken? It's really weird after winning a title thanks to spending the resources on defense instead of WR to non stop bitch about it...



Lol, well, that and a completely flukey accidental touch on a punt coverage that finally gave KC the ball inside the 49ers 30-yard line. Before that, the Chiefs offense punted 5 times, kicked a pair of FGs, and turned the ball over twice.


So yeah, maybe better offensive weapons would've been nice. Maybe with DHop we don't have to get lucky on that punt coverage, eh?

But you keep ****ing that "we don't need to spend $$$ on the offense" chicken, while completely ignoring the obvious.

In58men 03-02-2024 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17425181)
This is probably happening

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On a lower-profile note, some chatter in Indy from folks eager to see where WR Darnell Mooney lands in a week and a half.<br><br>There’s a small buzz on the possibility of Mooney having a resurgent 2024 at a great value price. Multiple people suggested KC.</p>&mdash; Dan Wiederer (@danwiederer) <a href="https://twitter.com/danwiederer/status/1763949240991003136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LFG!!!!!

In58men 03-02-2024 12:08 PM

***2024 NFL Free Agency***
 
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Titty Meat 03-02-2024 12:10 PM

33 year old who hasn't played a full season in nearly a decade

Ehhhh

The Franchise 03-02-2024 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17425181)
This is probably happening

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On a lower-profile note, some chatter in Indy from folks eager to see where WR Darnell Mooney lands in a week and a half.<br><br>There’s a small buzz on the possibility of Mooney having a resurgent 2024 at a great value price. Multiple people suggested KC.</p>&mdash; Dan Wiederer (@danwiederer) <a href="https://twitter.com/danwiederer/status/1763949240991003136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It's too perfect of a fit to not happen.

MahomesMagic 03-02-2024 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17425181)
This is probably happening

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On a lower-profile note, some chatter in Indy from folks eager to see where WR Darnell Mooney lands in a week and a half.<br><br>There’s a small buzz on the possibility of Mooney having a resurgent 2024 at a great value price. Multiple people suggested KC.</p>&mdash; Dan Wiederer (@danwiederer) <a href="https://twitter.com/danwiederer/status/1763949240991003136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He's fast.

He runs great routes.

He fights for the football.

BossChief 03-02-2024 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17425206)
He's fast.

He runs great routes.

He fights for the football.

And he pisses you off constantly with bad drops.

Sound familiar?

duncan_idaho 03-02-2024 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 17425230)
And he pisses you off constantly with bad drops.

Sound familiar?


I’m not sure why this is the common thought with Mooney, but it is not accurate.

He has a career drop rate of about 4.1 percent, league average is about 7.5, and his only season AT or ABOVE that rate was a few years ago.

O.city 03-02-2024 12:56 PM

Don’t see Tyron smith being a target for the chiefs with his injury history

Chief Roundup 03-02-2024 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17425206)
He's fast.



He runs great routes.



He fights for the football.

And drops a lot of footballs.

MahomesMagic 03-02-2024 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 17425302)
And drops a lot of footballs.

Fake News.

ChiefGator 03-02-2024 01:30 PM

Mooney is not a top-notch receiver... more like a top-notch dropper...

Amirite??




(Sorry, just wanted to keep the fake news going...)

MahomesMagic 03-02-2024 01:38 PM

Mooney would be a massive upgrade over any WR not named Rice here.

UChieffyBugger 03-02-2024 01:43 PM

Mooney is an obvious fit. He's got speed, is an intelligent route runner, can make difficult catches and works inside and outside. His talent with Pat could really turn him into a very good receiver imo. Plus he had his best year with Nagy as HC.

duncan_idaho 03-02-2024 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 17425302)
And drops a lot of footballs.

Drop info:

2020: 98 targets, 1 drop, 1.0 drop %
2021: 140 targets, 9 drops, 6.4%
2022: 61 targets, 2 drops, 3.3%
2023: 61 targets, 3 drops, 4.9%

Career: 350 targets, 15 drops, 4.3% drop rate

League average for WRs is like 7.3%.

The idea that Mooney has a drops issue is as off-base as it gets.

staylor26 03-02-2024 02:04 PM

The thing about Mooney is that he would allow you to possibly target one of these big WRs in the draft too. That or you just continue adding speed.

RunKC 03-02-2024 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17425345)
The thing about Mooney is that he would allow you to possibly target one of these big WRs in the draft too. That or you just continue adding speed.

Exactly what I want to do. Mooney and Hardman as the speed and a faster guy who can give you some of that Rice did would be nice, especially with Kelce’s age

MahomesMagic 03-02-2024 02:09 PM

Adonai and Rashee can bully people and Mooney, Slayton can stretch the field.

duncan_idaho 03-02-2024 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17425347)
Exactly what I want to do. Mooney and Hardman as the speed and a faster guy who can give you some of that Rice did would be nice, especially with Kelce’s age

Mooney + a Hardman return + Round 2 WR seems like a pretty nice approach to fixing WR to me.

Hardman does the gadget/motion stuff. Mooney is the Z receiver. Rice is the bully slot. Round 2 WR plays outside.

Someone like Xavier Legette or Brendan Rice would be pretty nice fits in that situation.

I'm warming up to Rice. I like the size, I want to see if he runs in the 4.3s as expected, and I keep seeing him show good instincts on play extensions. That's going to matter as long as 15 is taking snaps.

philfree 03-02-2024 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17425344)
Drop info:

2020: 98 targets, 1 drop, 1.0 drop %
2021: 140 targets, 9 drops, 6.4%
2022: 61 targets, 2 drops, 3.3%
2023: 61 targets, 3 drops, 4.9%

Career: 350 targets, 15 drops, 4.3% drop rate

League average for WRs is like 7.3%.

The idea that Mooney has a drops issue is as off-base as it gets.

61 targets for 31 receptions probably bears some scrutiny. Some of that is on the QB but still 50% catch rate isn't very good.

smithandrew051 03-02-2024 02:11 PM

Mooney’s decline in production is probably due to Fields being so bad.

If he had a big season with the Chiefs, he could probably be in line for either a big extension or monster deal from some other team next year.

He might be wise to take a reasonable 1-year with the Chiefs and get paid the following season.

RunKC 03-02-2024 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17425352)
Mooney + a Hardman return + Round 2 WR seems like a pretty nice approach to fixing WR to me.

Hardman does the gadget/motion stuff. Mooney is the Z receiver. Rice is the bully slot. Round 2 WR plays outside.

Someone like Xavier Legette or Brendan Rice would be pretty nice fits in that situation.

I'm warming up to Rice. I like the size, I want to see if he runs in the 4.3s as expected, and I keep seeing him show good instincts on play extensions. That's going to matter as long as 15 is taking snaps.

A lot of people don’t want him but man McConkey is a really good route runner with natural catching ability. He’s also really smart. 6 ft 192 lbs.

Would really fit in well here assuming we got our MVS replacement already

MahomesMagic 03-02-2024 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17425365)
A lot of people don’t want him but man McConkey is a really good route runner with natural catching ability. He’s also really smart. 6 ft 192 lbs.

Would really fit in well here assuming we got our MVS replacement already

I like any WR that runs good routes and catches the ball.

The issue is value.

Would I want to spend a 1st on a slot guy instead of a #1 WR?

BossChief 03-02-2024 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17425240)
I’m not sure why this is the common thought with Mooney, but it is not accurate.

He has a career drop rate of about 4.1 percent, league average is about 7.5, and his only season AT or ABOVE that rate was a few years ago.

Over his career, he has caught 59% of the passes he’s been targeted in. Last year was barely 50%. That was the lowest on the team and Mooney had been there the longest.

Moore was at 71% with the same QB

Fields completed 63% of his passes to everyone else last year and barely 50% to Mooney.

I think I’d rather just see them bring Mecole back…or even Richie James.

MahomesMagic 03-02-2024 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 17425370)
Over his career, he has caught 59% of the passes he’s been targeted in. Last year was barely 50%. That was the lowest on the team and Mooney had been there the longest.

Moore was at 71% with the same QB

Fields completed 63% of his passes to everyone else last year and barely 50% to Mooney.

I think I’d rather just see them bring Mecole back…or even Richie James.


;)

Why not just keep giving snaps to Skyy Moore.

RealSNR 03-02-2024 02:35 PM

Going back to RBs, I really love what the Chiefs did at RB back in the 2018 offseason.

Kareem Hunt had his monster rookie year, and I think we were hoping Spencer Ware could hobble together something on his last legs as a backup. But that was about it. We needed some depth and competition, so we brought in a million randos who were castoffs or depth pieces from other teams. A couple were veteran cuts, and a couple were free agents who were done with their rookie deals and weren't going to get anything other than a minimum contract. And out of that pack of replacements came Damien Williams.

Kind of want to see us try that same strategy. There's bound to be a gem in a group like that.

Easy 6 03-02-2024 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 17425370)
Over his career, he has caught 59% of the passes he’s been targeted in. Last year was barely 50%. That was the lowest on the team and Mooney had been there the longest.

Moore was at 71% with the same QB

Fields completed 63% of his passes to everyone else last year and barely 50% to Mooney.

I think I’d rather just see them bring Mecole back…or even Richie James.

Richie James one good season with NY is a distant memory, no thanks

Titty Meat 03-02-2024 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17425359)
Mooney’s decline in production is probably due to Fields being so bad.

If he had a big season with the Chiefs, he could probably be in line for either a big extension or monster deal from some other team next year.

He might be wise to take a reasonable 1-year with the Chiefs and get paid the following season.

Think the idea here might be even if he's not a 1k WR if he can match MVS production for less that's a win

Woogieman 03-02-2024 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17425365)
A lot of people don’t want him but man McConkey is a really good route runner with natural catching ability. He’s also really smart. 6 ft 192 lbs.

Would really fit in well here assuming we got our MVS replacement already

I think overlooking him is a big mistake. I get it, I want a 6'4" X, but I'd rather have LM at 32 than reach for MVS II

UChieffyBugger 03-02-2024 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 17425370)
Over his career, he has caught 59% of the passes he’s been targeted in. Last year was barely 50%. That was the lowest on the team and Mooney had been there the longest.

Moore was at 71% with the same QB

Fields completed 63% of his passes to everyone else last year and barely 50% to Mooney.

I think I’d rather just see them bring Mecole back…or even Richie James.

ROFL

Womble 03-02-2024 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17425373)
;)

Why not just keep giving snaps to Skyy Moore.

If we persist with Moore taking up 60% of snaps he has a chance next year to get to 800 career yards! Elite.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-02-2024 06:22 PM

Mooney would be terrible

Dunerdr 03-02-2024 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni (Post 17425729)
Mooney would be terrible

I guess I was just remembering the 2022 season or whatever Mooney had the 9 drops. I remembered him as having a case of the MVS’s. Dropping g the 3rd downs and open tudders.

duncan_idaho 03-02-2024 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 17425370)
Over his career, he has caught 59% of the passes he’s been targeted in. Last year was barely 50%. That was the lowest on the team and Mooney had been there the longest.

Moore was at 71% with the same QB

Fields completed 63% of his passes to everyone else last year and barely 50% to Mooney.

I think I’d rather just see them bring Mecole back…or even Richie James.


I don’t think how slow eyes used a non-primary WR target who is primarily a downfield weapon tells me anything about the WR.

Fields sucks, man, unless his first read is open or he has room to run.

UChieffyBugger 03-02-2024 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni (Post 17425729)
Mooney would be terrible

Nonsense.


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