Or Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns

My son, 17, refuses to even watch any more of the Marvel movies after how bad Thor Love and Thunder was. My daughter 13, is also uninterested.

Teenage kids are disinterested in most everything...unless it involves social media.

Both were very into the movies up through Endgame, and were excited for the new movies.

Any objective observer knows the post Endgame movies have been extremely lacking.

Yep. And for those that want to point to Super Hero fatigue I had no problem getting hyped for and enjoying the hell out of No Way Home and GOTG3. But I don't have the time or energy for lackluster series and movies and that's unfortunately what Marvel has been churning out for the most part post Endgame.

I don't think it's fatigue, they lost their heavy hitters and didn't replace them. Like it or not they lost Robert Downey Jr and Chris Evans.

The new Captain America movie is being shot right now and should be good since Anthony Mackie is the best actor they have left. But the real issues came when Hemsworth decided to stick around but noticeably enjoys doing the more comedy driven Thor as he flat out said if had continued like the first 2 he was out.

The biggest thing though is Chadwick Boseman dying just hurt them like hell, he was suppose to be the torch carrying character that bridged the gap and well that's gone now.

So we're stuck with secondary characters trying to carry the mantle. They desperately have to get to X-Men and fantastic 4 because right now they have no heavy hitters.

I was so into Dr Strange in the M/M but goddamnit did it disappoint. God that pissed me off.

Loki season 1 was actually not bad. I enjoyed it

It took a lot of bad decisions for Marvel to fall to where it is. And I haven't seen any signs that the decision making is improving.

This is basically Tron Legacy

Well.. I didn’t love it

If they go through with the rumor about who they are casting for Thing (Mila Kunis), Fantastic 4 is going to likely be yet another dud.

It's mostly a quality issue for me. It's not as if Chris Evans, Chris Hensworth, or Chris Pratt were a household name prior to their movies. They just happened to star in quality flicks that pleased the masses. Phase 4 movies have largely stunk aside from Spiderman and probably Guardians 3 (which I will finally get to see this weekend).

Sounds like that rumor is false? I sincerely hope that it is false.

https://www.joblo.com/fantastic-four...nis-the-thing/

It wasn't even so much the actors, they lost the characters. Thor and Captain America are huge characters in Marvel.

They are 100% into their eh whatever characters at this point...No one cares about the ****in eternals and antman is a secondary character at best.

They have essentially ran through,

Captain America, even though that'll get the reboot with Falcon and should still be at worst a solid franchise
Iron Man
Thor is now at 4 movies even though he's still around
Guardians of the Galaxy
Spiderman
Ant-Man who somehow got 3 movies
Black Panther-outside circumstances

This is why until they get to X-Men and Fantastic 4 they have nothing left, I mean they could do planet Hulk I guess but they apparently don't think that's a sell as a movie. They have really torn through basically all of their heavy hitters to the point that there is nothing left or the actor is moving on. I mean shit they're remaking Blade.

It just comes down to greed, oversaturation and trying to tie every single movie together while slow playing the overarching plot.

I have to disagree on them stalling due to featuring “no one gives a shit” characters.

Absolutely no one gave two shits about the Guardians of the Galaxy prior to the MCU knocking those movies out of the park. Iron Man, Thor and Captain America were big names in Marvel comics but didn’t have the popularity of Spider-Man, Hulk, or Wolverine to casual fans until they aced the Infinity Saga.

They just need to make quality movies then people will start to care about the characters.

Yep. Guardians of the Galaxy were in that C to D tier of comic book heroes before the Infinity Saga.

And, yeah, they still do have some heavy hitters still left on the books. The people are fiending for good MCU versions of the X-Men, Ghost Rider, Punisher, Blade and Fantastic Four. They’ve got some juice still left to squeeze with Black Bolt, Luke Cage, Iron Fist and Daredevil. Silver Surfer is still in the bag. Beta Ray Bill, Hercules, Molecule Man, Sentry.

That’s not even including the crazy A-list villains they can still work with! Doom, Galactus, Apocalypse, Magneto, Phoenix Force, Kingpin, Venom, Carnage.

We’ll find out over the next 15 years or so whether superhero fatigue is legit or not because they’ve got a LOT left to work with.

Pffft. There's countless characters they could turn into huge stars if they did it correctly.

Right now Marvel really needs to break the glass and get Xmen rolling because that's their surest bet to right the ship. I promise no one gives a **** about The Marvels and Thunderbolts.

Yep, give me Fantastic Four and Xmen and I'll be there to see them in the theaters.

Secret Invasion (maybe)
Marvels (only if the reviews are amazing imo)
Echo (yawn)
Loki Season 2 (I'm there)
Ironheart (yawn)
Agatha: Coven of Chaos (you have my interest)
Daredevil: Born Again (I'm there)
Captain America: New World Order (meh, wait on reviews)
Thunderbolts (meh, wait on reviews)
Blade (I'm there)
Deadpool 3 (I'm there)

Coming up we have Fantastic Four, Iron Wars, Shang Chi 2, Spiderman 4, Avengers Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars, as well as Nova and Xmen. This is just a weak phase, coming off of Thanos' death you knew they weren't going to keep the momentum up, how can you replace the greatest villain? Blew their load too quickly and Kang is just not that interesting.

They've absolutely made poor decisions in choosing what characters to be rocking with at the moment, like was said no one cares about the Marvels and there was no need for the Eternals movie either.

And yes they made something of Guardians of the Galaxy but to be real, that isn't gonna happen each and every time.

The current batch of "active" characters is not very awe inspiring is a big issue.

I don’t think they’re in “break in case of emergency” territory just yet but they are definitely going to want to get those A-lister properties rolling sooner than later.

Like Beauford said, we all had to expect a bit of a lull after the Infinity Saga. They had to reload.

They just haven't been able to nail any of the villains like they did with Thanos.

Finally watched this. Not really impressed...at all. Quite cheesy. Anyone know about the end credits seen about Loki? There were definitely references to the time lines, etc. Teaser for another season?

Loki season 2 comes out in October.

They're also dealing with the fallout of the Johnathan Majors accusations when they positioned him to be a big ****ing deal.

GOTG worked because they mostly nailed the casting, and the cast/crew made it a fun movie to go along with, without it becoming Thor:Love and Thunder. That's the general key to translating minor characters in a superhero setting.

But they're not going to get that all the time, and crappy stories and writing are tough enough to overcome without bad casting added on top of that. Feige lost his way a while back, and probably should already have been replaced.

I like Majors quite a lot and hopefully that deal ends up being nothing. The rush to judgement and immediately dumping people solely because of accusations needs to end.

They haven't dumped him yet but they are certainly not advertising him either.

He is incredible as Kang, so it would definitely be a big blow. The movie overall was pure trash though ROFL The Kang council was pure weird though

Finally caught this flick last week. Some thoughts;

1) MODOK design sucked, way too goofy, could have gone in different direction
2) Why was the Wasp even in this movie? I think she had 10 lines total, why was she here?
3) Can we please move away from Paul Rudd being a goof? We're on the 3rd movie, does his character ever develop?
4) Kang was good, not great, but good.
5) This movie could not choose if it wanted to be a comedy or trippy, it did neither very well.

Finally got to see this and I didn't hate it... that is about the best I can say about it. So very meh.

That was my take as well. Wasn't terrible, but not that good either.

Basically. I hated Thor Love and Thunder

The latest Thor movie was just horrible. Not sure how Taika Waititi thought that was a good movie.

He just wasted that cast too. Especially Bale and that character. I get good directors cab have stinkers but that may be my least favorite MCU movie.