Kraken has a pretty sweet logo too

Traffic, weirdly enough. These are the Guardians. They're on a bridge in Cleveland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_M..._(cropped).jpg

http://www.pauldudagallery.com/image...ardian-182.jpg

http://www.pauldudagallery.com/image...ardian-182.jpg

They never even gave us a chance to provide input. Ermines it is.

That sounds awesome.

I'd cheer for them!

this is awesome idea, and should have been used!

who is going to believe they can beat the son of god!!!!

Errrrmineeees!

I think the team has done a decent job of minimizing the Native imagery that is more problematic than the name itself, but I won't be the least bit upset if they do go ahead and change it. Monarchs would be perfect and worth buying from the former T-Bones. Some other names that could be fun:

• Burnt Ends
• Smokers
• Yardbirds (after Charlie Parker)
• Nighthawks (after the Coon-Sanders Original Nighthawk Orchestra, which was the first KC jazz band to gain national prominence. Please do not suggest any of the other words in the band's name)
• Fountaineers (okay this one is stupid but still kinda fun imho)
• Steamboats (after the Arabia and also "Arabians" would not go over well)
• Tornadoes (why isn't there a major pro team called the Tornadoes???)
• Unions, Scouts, Kings (former KC sport team names that would work well)
• Mobsters (celebrating KC's organized crime history!)
• Sevillians (celebrating KC's sister city, Seville, Spain)
• Barbers (like The Barber of Seville??)

I dunno man, I get the appeal of Tradition and all that, but I simply don't feel threatened by the prospect of a name change. If anything, it's an opportunity for something new and fun. I think we would all get used to it a lot quicker than we think, too. Either way I'm not losing sleep over it!

People love to say this but it simply isn't true. If you actually cared about whether Natives are offended by the mascots and logos, you'd do ten seconds of research and find plenty of writing from Natives who explain why they are. Like this guy:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So the <a href="https://twitter.com/MLB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MLB</a> team Cleveland are changing their name from the <a href="https://twitter.com/Indians?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Indians</a> to the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Guardians?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Guardians</a>.<br><br>As a Native journalist that has covered sports and Native mascots for years -- I am so glad to say goodbye to the horrendous image of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefWahoo?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefWahoo</a> <br><br>Here are my thoughts in a <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/thread?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#thread</a> <a href="https://t.co/QaHcjvlPzB">pic.twitter.com/QaHcjvlPzB</a></p>&mdash; Vincent Schilling (@VinceSchilling) <a href="https://twitter.com/VinceSchilling/status/1418615210689052677?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He acknowledges that he doesn't speak for all Native people and that some don't care. But his larger point is that these names and logos tend to warp people's perceptions of Native history and traditions, which contributes to their overall erasure. I personally think that's reason enough to change them, or to at least for teams to connect with local tribes to work on ways to actually "honor" their history. "You're racist if you root for the Chiefs" is not helpful or true, but it's also not what most Native people who speak on the subject are saying. They would just like a little respect, and considering our history, we owe them at least that much, imho.

(Also, the Native people who don't care about this subject tend to focus on much more pressing issues instead, and I get the feeling that most of the white people who lose their shit over sports team name changes would not love the Native solutions to those problems, either...)

Chiefs are next

I have a good catchy new name for your team because you know it's gonna happen sooner or later, I am not into politically correct personally but a good name would be.

KC Rockers

Maybe not next, but soon

it's horseshit too

Easy to see your not from or anywhere near kc and haven’t been a fan very long.I can’t imagine anyone on this board in agreement with your take as it sucks the big penis.I personally know more than a few Native Americans and not one of them have a problem with Chiefs

I was born in Kansas City, Missouri and have been a Chiefs fan since before I can remember but okay lmao

And if you actually read my posts instead of reflexively smashing the thumbs down button, you'd see that I acknowledge that there are plenty of Natives who don't care. And I happen to be friends with plenty of other people who were born and raised in Kansas City and are huge Chiefs fans who actually do agree with me. So whose anecdotal evidence wins now????

Hating Steve Bono is literally my earliest memory and you're going to tell me that I haven't been a Chiefs fan for very long because I have a different opinion about whether it's okay to appropriate Native cultures lmaoooooooo

I would love it if even a single person opposed to these name changes could engage with the idea thoughtfully instead of lashing out like a scared child. You don't even have to change your mind, just don't be weird for two seconds lol

As I've said before, I don't even really think the Chiefs need to change their name. I'm just not opposed to it if they do! Because the argument in favor of changing it makes sense to me! Sorry for the ~*~nuance~*~

The only jersey I own is Bono's. I put duct tape over the name. Get's a few laughs.

Wearing a Bono jersey is more offensive than the name Chiefs tbh

I don't love the name Guardians but this is a pretty good argument for why the logo actually whips ass

The Kansas City Trivia Kings!!!!!

Okay now that's a good idea!!!!!!!!!

The Kansas City Cumblasters... KC Wolf shoots a thick rope every time we score...

Yep. Queer band with a fan base as white as rice and as old as dirt - who better for a Cleveland baseball team to emulate?

Cleveland Indians former name was Cleveland Naps.

Ok, that makes me sleepy

I'm sure you mean well, but this is like a list if you were purposefully trying to think of terrible names.

Okay the ones I'll actually stand by are Monarchs, Yardbirds, and Nighthawks. My main point is just that there are tons of KC-specific things you could pull from and it's a fun exercise. Tradition is nice and all but I just don't see change like this as inherently negative.

IF we ever did get to the point where the Chiefs had to change their name, would the league let us use Monarchs or are they trying to save that for London?

Oh they ****in better not, NFL Europe can eat my ass

Monarchs? Gross.

I have Norwegian and Irish ancestors, I demand the Vikings and Fighting Irish change their names.

Just kidding, I'm not an over-sensitive, effeminate little bitch.

Barkevious Mingo really could have used this when he played for the Browns.


Police: Why are you with this young boy? Are you a parent?
Mingo: I'm a Guardian.
Police: Oh. Okay. Never mind.

You can bet they are coming for the Chiefs next. Im literally arguing with dumbasses about it. I was like i wanna see that same ****ing energy about the Vikings, Celtics and Fighting Irish, because if its not there, yall some ****ing hypocrites. lol

Hey, that's the Trivia King

You show some respect!!!

Sounds like a brand of condoms.

You guys seriously can't think of any historical context that might make those situations completely different than this one?

THANK you!!!!

The wife is a Braves fan. I told her today "we're next." :shake:

No. Please indulge us.

It will be so much better for Native Americans when we stop being reminded they exists... I think...

Incel white knights will love it.

Cleveland Steamers more fitting

Cleveland White Cux even better

Seriously can they just use green uniforms so we can deep fake what ever image we want? Chiefs for me vs. what ever dildo rainbow team you want. We can have preference filters.

Cleveland Care Bears would have been better.

Cleveland Guardians?? Is this real life??

https://media3.giphy.com/media/ji6zz...giphy.gif&ct=g

Fast forward to the 2025 season and say hello to Patrick Mahomes and the 4-time defending Super Bowl champion Kansas City Fountains.




Don't shoot the messenger...

No. And that shouldn't matter. If its offensive to a certain group of people, then its offensive, regardless of reason... But Im glad u brought it up, because its an excellent example of just how hypocritical the woke crowd is. Not only do you / they get to tell us what is offensive, you / they get to also tell us what our reasoning for being offended should be. :rolleyes:

Kansas City RainStorms

The wetter the better

Oh, come the **** on lol

I get the Redskins name change. I get the removal of Chief Wahoo. But anyone who has a problem with the teams being named Indians, Braves, or Chiefs are over-sensitive, effeminate bitches. Period.

I think I figured out a solution to this problem. Gather everyone who regularly uses the word "problematic" and shoot them into deep space.

I agree, the team wasn't named for any ethnic group's leader, it was named for H Roe Bartle, aka The Chief.

Back to subject. I don't know how they came up with that name, but it is pretty lame.

:lame:
Please explain, what I perceive to be your hypocritical opinion, because all you have offered thus far is, "Oh, come on" :rolleyes:

I always wondered what those old statues were for. They looks a lot more dilapidated now than they do in those pictures.

And here come the Memes...

Not sure if I should LMAO or :facepalm:, maybe both...

Quality work right there.

Wtf are they guarding? Cleveland doesn't have anything anyone wants

Maybe their are guarding America by keeping Cleveland from spreading?

On par with the New Orleans Pelicans as a dumb name. Plus the logo is horrendous.

They keep the sun away from Cleveland and make sure every day is dark and miserable. They are excellent at their jobs.

That's awesome.

At least Pelicans makes sense for Louisiana

But yea, it’s not a very good mascot. It just sounds weak.

****ing dumb name.

Hopefully the Chiefs don’t bow to the PC pressure, but if they eventually do I take some comfort in the fact that no possible way do they pick a name as ****ing dumb as this one.

. . . . . . . . . I hope.

At this point anyone doubting that the Chiefs are going to make the absolute perfect decisions on any matter can get crippled in a polio blanket.

Huh?

Yeah, other than the whole Arrowhead thing.

Native Americans don't have exclusive rights to the arrowheads. Do you think Native Americans invented the bow and arrow and tips?

The earliest arrowheads found were in South Africa dated 64000 years ago.

World is only 6000 years old so.............

Ill go further and say NA's don't have exclusive rights to war drums and skull crushing hand weapons. NA's called them tomahawks others had different names for the same things. It's just stupid trying to associate a weapon or tool to one race of people. Drums to communicate were used all over ancient times.

The earliest known remains of bow and arrow were found in Germany yes Europeans dating back 1800 years. North American Indians' bow and arrows were found only to about 1400 years.

So get off this nonsense.

Surely you can see how those are very much tied together.

You can try and come up with all this "stuff" but it doesn't or will not appease those that find it offensive as Kansas City is in Missouri. It is not in these other places.
It is cute to see you try and spin it but in the end it will not matter.

I am not coming up with anything other than ancient history. They scraped and painted images of arrow bows and arrowheads on rocks cave walls tree's celebrating these advances and their prowess. Let's go erase and destroy these as we didn't get permission to use much less look and study it.:rolleyes:

How long until someone is offended by the superiority of athletes in general and they move to cancel sports across the board? They'll feel "less than" because they can't play center field, linebacker, or be an Olympic athlete, so they're upset at how athletes are revered in society and will look to end it all.